fiction916
G-League
definitely agree on this note, but it seems Reke really can't hang with the quickness of the young guards we're seeing in the league--the Westbrooks, the Roses, the Rondos.
Evans' game not suited for winning basketball?
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definitely agree on this note, but it seems Reke really can't hang with the quickness of the young guards we're seeing in the league--the Westbrooks, the Roses, the Rondos.
mr. moustache
Bench
I think an improved jumper is a foregone conclusion. He only needs to get to "average" to be a huge threat with the J. His health is my concern. His game is abuses his feet/ankles(and his defenders). If he's predisposed to these types of injuries, his career is going to be a big "what if".
Give D-Wade chronically bad knees and see what that does to his game.
Sorry to say, but I quite agree with it for the moment, and I blaim PW with it.
we have this huge talent and he can get much more of him.
Tyreke is my favorite, and he need fine tunnig, which he does not get from his coaches.
Gary
All-Star
Evans can win... Only IF you put the type of players around him who are better suited for his playstyle. The problem with that is I believe the type of players you would have to put around Evans won't be good enough to win the title. Last year I was very weary of Evans with Martin and said numerous times that Martin would be the odd man out if they were not able to "mesh". Now we have Beno.. Not as good as Martin but fits with Evans better than Martin did. I think we will have to settle for less talent in order for the team to be better as a whole unless a very good player wants to come in and play a role (which doesn't happen very often). Until then we will be stuck with a bad team unless a rookie surprises us..
That's one of the main reasons I was pissed. Not only because Martin was my favorite Kings but that Evans isn't going to be a pass first PG and Martin doesn't do well unless he gets his touches. If we were to bring Evans off the bench to play SG then we would see a repeat of what happened in the first few Memphis games. Evans does not play well at all off the ball. So we are either stuck with Evans playing me-first PG or the coaching staff drilling into Evans head how to play SG. Being that Evans is MUCH better at ball control than off the ball play I knew they would pretty much just give him the ball and go to work. After we have seen this debacle over the last month and a half I figure the coaching staff might want to change the way Evans is used.
That's one of the main reasons I was pissed. Not only because Martin was my favorite Kings but that Evans isn't going to be a pass first PG and Martin doesn't do well unless he gets his touches. If we were to bring Evans off the bench to play SG then we would see a repeat of what happened in the first few Memphis games. Evans does not play well at all off the ball. So we are either stuck with Evans playing me-first PG or the coaching staff drilling into Evans head how to play SG. Being that Evans is MUCH better at ball control than off the ball play I knew they would pretty much just give him the ball and go to work. After we have seen this debacle over the last month and a half I figure the coaching staff might want to change the way Evans is used.
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Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
But Aaron Afflalo is a future superstar!
IfAt1st
Starter
wow - just wow.
1st off, when they picked up Beno off of waivers from the TWolves I believe the Kings paid him $788,000 for (almost) an entire year of starting PG play.
The next year Beno made 5.5 million.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/u/udrihbe01.html
Bibby made 13.5 million that year, and 15 million the next.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bibbymi01.html
The Kings saved over $22 million over 2 years with Beno, and got equitable results.
That's a no-brainer deal everywhere except in KF's land.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
I think the issue with Bibby was age for the most part. If they were going to rebuild they wern't going to do it with an aging pt guard. Especially one that was that was going to make around 15 mil the next year. I thought Bibby actually responded fairly well for the Hawks. He was one of my favorite players and I was sad to see him go. But all things come to an end.
Gary
All-Star
I still watch him on the Hawks and his numbers don't represent the veteran leadership he provides. He's quite a bit slower but still for the most part makes good decisions and is playing well off the ball when Johnson wasn't injured.
TheWileyVet
Starter
The one thing I will complain about is his lack of hustle on defense. I will see him slowly jog or even walk down the court after a TO or a long rebound. I'm hoping that is an injury thing
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Kingsguy881
Guest
DWade had jumpers knee for a while which kept him out during the season they won like 20 games and ended up with Beasley.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Does that mean that were going to end up with Beasley?
Ed2009
Bench
Its difficult to make and judgement about Reke´s improvement or current capability while he is injured.
Till now its quite clear to see that his shot didnt get any better.
I also think that PW doesnt make Reke a favor by switching him all the time between PG and SG.
For a SG he needs a better shot we he currently doesnt have.
He didnt lose any of his strength or potential he simply is a kid that needs time to develop nothing else.
Till now its quite clear to see that his shot didnt get any better.
I also think that PW doesnt make Reke a favor by switching him all the time between PG and SG.
For a SG he needs a better shot we he currently doesnt have.
He didnt lose any of his strength or potential he simply is a kid that needs time to develop nothing else.
mr. moustache
Bench
His jumper is definitely better, when it's a catch and shoot. Off the dribble it looks about the same and he seems to be launching up more ill-advised shots off the dribble at that.
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
imagine what type of player would he be under phil jackson or greg popavich. they would be maximizing his talent. i don't ever see them run a play to have him post up the opposing point guards. its mostly iso from the top of the 3 pt line.
FaStRmAn
Starter
Except for the fact that Bibby didnt want to play in sacto anymore. Seen in that light, it wasnt a bad trade after all.
Lebron is a mismatch at the PG also, and Kobe too.
Because Martin and Evans didn't work, no talented players alongside Evans will work? That seems like quite a stretch to me.
Evans and Martin was indeed a terrible pairing. Evans is ball dominant and looks to attack the defense and dish the ball out when in trouble. Martin is a shooter and slasher without good ballhandling or passing skills who relies on screens and cuts to get open, get the ball and score. Neither complimented the other well at all. Evans isn't the kind of player to set up Martin in such a way as to maximize his scoring talents and Martin couldn't take any pressure off of Evans as a distributer or ball handler.
IMO Kevin Martin would flourish on a team led by a low post scorer who attracted double teams and a pass first PG with some penetration skills. San Antonio always seemed like a perfect fit to me.
As for Evans, I see him flourishing on a team with wings who can shoot and at least one of which is a good ballhandler/passer, a big who can rebound and hit the open 15-20 footer and one who is a reliable low post scorer - in a perfect world one of them is a good shotblocker as well. And ideally they'd all be above average to good defenders. Not a huge list of requirements. In fact, finding the ideal SG or point forward is the toughest requirement.
Tyreke isn't Iverson. AI was an athletic and scoring marvel but teams had to built around him that were flawed. His size created mismatches, the bad kind. And he was not a willing passer. Evans may be ball dominant but he's not a black hole by any means.
This season has been a big disappointment but only part of that is Tyreke's fault and at least he has the excuse of playing hurt. My bigger disappointment is in guys like Greene, Casspi, & Thompson because they've regressed from last year. Especially Greene and Thompson who shouldn't be this frustratingly inconsistent at this point in their careers. Landry is what he is and I think PW is recognizing that he really is best suited as a scoring/energizing 6th man rather than an undersized and poor rebounding starter. I also expected Cisco to contribute more and be a more vocal leader.
Right now this team is absolutely awful. But a healthy Tyreke with the right players around him can win. I really believe that.
If they played PG sure.
A year later and I still cannot understand this logic. One guy is ball-dominant and needs someone to pass it to when his drives are cut off. One guy is not ball-dominant, moves well without the ball, and is very effective within the first few seconds of receiving a pass. It's like they were made for each other. Sure, Martin was not a good defender. And maybe Martin's ego got in the way. But the insistence that these two guys were not complementary on the offensive end simply mystifies me.
Evans is a ball holder. He is not a group-oriented player. Many times a fast attack can be much more faster because players are free near by the basket, eager to get the ball. Yet Evans hold the ball and try to make all the way to the basket by force. It makes these attacks very slow. Beno also stick with this approach. If I was the coach, I would have told them to sit on the bench. The group should come before the player's career. Beside that, The other groups have learnt Evans and they close his way to the basket with 2-3 players.
When I first saw Evans I thought his aproach is taken from football. as if he's a back runner. He takes the ball and run all over the court,yet He is a basket ball player and not football, so he expose himself to big and tough injuries. I think that he doesn't watch his body and within 1-2 seasons he might be injured heavily. I do not want him to be injured, I wish him all the good in the world, yet this approach expose him to very dangerous injuries. And the coaches? what do they care? they have to mechandize the good...
When I first saw Evans I thought his aproach is taken from football. as if he's a back runner. He takes the ball and run all over the court,yet He is a basket ball player and not football, so he expose himself to big and tough injuries. I think that he doesn't watch his body and within 1-2 seasons he might be injured heavily. I do not want him to be injured, I wish him all the good in the world, yet this approach expose him to very dangerous injuries. And the coaches? what do they care? they have to mechandize the good...
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Kingsguy881
Guest
Just wanted to quote this post. Idk why. It just seemed so.....random and sporadic.
When stated that way, it seems like a great pairing. But the reality is that Kevin's game was almost exclusively long distance jumpers or slashing all the way to the basket for the basket or the foul. With Tyreke's game almost exclusively in the paint it would really limit Martin to being a spot up shooter when Evan's kicks the ball out. And $13 million a year is a lot to pay a guy when you severely limit his game.
Again, if Tyreke had better court vision and a reliable jumper and if Martin had better ballhandling and the ability to create his own shot then they might have worked. As it was they highlighted each other's weaknesses.
And I DO think Martin's ego got in the way. The previous year the team focused on setting screens and running sets to get him the ball where he wanted. Last year he was essentially told to be a garbage man to Tyreke's alpha dog. That's a tough pill to swallow when you think of yourself as the team leader.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
This is also the x-factor with Kevin -- he is not ball dominant, but he IS offense dominant. For Kevin to be Kevin you have to spend a significant amount of your tme running plays for him, with your personnel positioned to open things up for him, players used to set sceens for him etc. You can not do all that stuff, but if you don't Kevin isn't Kevin and Kevin Martin is NOT worth it, either oncourt, or $$wise at $12mil a year , as a 17ppg spot shooter/fastbreak leaker who doesn't do anything else.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
Last year he was outright winning games on the defensive end. He was a game changer on the defensive end. (I don't even think you can judge Tyreke's defense this year because of the injury factor).
My only criticism for last year is that he could have been even better if he put out the effort on a consistent basis. But to be fair, how many players in the NBA put out consistent effort on the defensive end, much less rookies? Also, Tyreke needs to improve his stamina in order to put out that consistent defensive effort. He said as much in the off-season. Yet he reportedly came into camp weighing more than last year. It seems that his weight training increased the weight. That additional weight just can't help with increasing his stamina. Just like with his shooting regiment, he's got to change how he prepares for next season to improve his stamina.
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