Euro League basketball thread

Maccabi · Jun 28, 2009

Hey,i am from israel.
in the israeli basketball league there are a lot of fans that bring to the game drums,pyro.
why in the nba you cant bring drums,pyro?

See This Video Of maccabi fans:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Z11WO7y_Hg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OxrwZKCCJA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmcBr1kvum8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd-tUYuBUj8&feature=related

why the fans level in the nba is so poor?

Jer · Jun 28, 2009

Maccabi said:

NBA fans aren't allowed to throw anything or bring anything that could hurt another fan or player in any way. Nobody wants to get sued, and things are much more tightly controlled.

American sports fans in general don't have anything close to the passion that European fans do. However, we're mostly complimentary of the other teams and polite when it comes to competition; European fans can be predatory when it comes to opposing teams, but we're pretty gracious when it comes to defeat.

VF21 · Jun 28, 2009

Exactly.

FromIsrael · Jun 28, 2009

haha i agree with those^ guyz, the american sport is way diffrent from europe or south america in the fans....
but it doesnt matter the fact that the kings got the BEST fans in the whole Nba, and everyone knows that.

drboiffard · Jun 28, 2009

Drums are for loosers.
You don't need drums when 2000 people are crying and singing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skb7gieTPLY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62Cy46Ml0j0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNY17GlE0XU

bozzwell · Jun 28, 2009

Jer said:

NBA fans aren't allowed to throw anything or bring anything that could hurt another fan or player in any way. Nobody wants to get sued, and things are much more tightly controlled.

American sports fans in general don't have anything close to the passion that European fans do. However, we're mostly complimentary of the other teams and polite when it comes to competition; European fans can be predatory when it comes to opposing teams, but we're pretty gracious when it comes to defeat.

Who needs pyrotechnics when you get to burn your city down if you win a major championship.

FromIsrael · Jun 28, 2009

drboiffard said:

Maccabi Tel aviv got the best fans in the basketball world for one Reason,
THERES NO SUCH A TEAM which brang 8k+ fans to every final 4 we were practisipating, in Madrid (before 2 years) in Prag (before 4 years) In Moscow (before 5 years) In Tel Aviv Brigned 11K fans (before 6 years)

i dont see any team in the world who can bring so many fans for the away games which are like alteast 6 houers flight to every other country,
thats y maccabi is in the top of the euroleague basketball, just because of the fans. Real Madrid + barca + pana + olympiacos got like 2-3 times more budget then maccabi tel aviv, but what? were still the best of the bests and get almost every year to the final4 finals.

heres a video from palaci in madrid - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2j6jomZr2w the FINAL FOUR 2008

drboiffard · Jun 28, 2009

I really understand what you're saying. In some matches you feel like the 6th man. Making the arena a boiling pressure cooker is very awesome.

Well, Real Madrid and Barcelona basketball supporters are a joke. They support the basketball section of a soccer team, they usually go to basket because is more cheaper than soccer, but they don't love the game.

Best fans sections here in spain are from Estudiantes (wich is the best with difference, just see the vids), TAU Vitoria and DKV. True basketball teams, not the basketball section of a soccer team.

And there's a lot of good feelings between basketball supporters, we usually go drink beer after the match with the other supporters wich travel to see his team, and they do the same when we travel outside. Even we make a lot of noise and we might be seen as too wild, is has nothing to see with soccer.

FromIsrael · Jun 28, 2009

drboiffard said:

in here as said some threads before the fans rival is more politics than regulary just like barca - real, but it doesnt matter.

btw last year maccabi won barca 2 times while the euroleague quater finals and won real 2 times while the top 16 group stage, but in this year we got kinda realy bad year.

anywayz check what we have done to the barcelona players who just got out from the planes before the 3rd game on the quater finals, if u speak espanol as expected you will understand what we told them

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1OAIV1LG_o&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWbpZCU3STA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJ_qrUKdKMI&feature=related

bozzwell · Jun 28, 2009

drboiffard said:

Yep, in my experience going to basketball games in Spain is a thrilling experinence. Whether, food and natural beauty is why all Europeans want to retire/live in Spain, but basketball is in the mix with other attractions for me. I wouldn't be harsh on Real and Barca fans though. I went to couple of Barca games and fans struck me as knowledgable and fun to be around as much as any other team in EL or NBA.

drboiffard · Jun 28, 2009

Well that's true, Barca supporters are much better than Real's, and they're more polite and more friendly. But Real Madrid supporters are truly a joke. I remember one playoff about 4 or 5 years ago in wich we moved into RM's arena and it was like we were playing home. The people who were seated didn't care at all about the match, and the 7 or 8 soccer hooligans who came to see the match could hardly make a louder noisethan us, even they had some drums. Now they're less pathetic cause his arena is very noisy and bigger, but years ago when they played at Raimundo Saporta they where really, really ridiculous.

Anyway, the point is true basketball fans usually don't support Real Madrid or Barcelona. They support Estudiantes/DKV, wich are the clubs from the respective cities that really cares about basketball. They have good basketball schools and young categories (ie: Sergio Rodriguez came from Estudiantes' school and Ricky Rubio from DKV's). People who support RM usually don't care at all about basketball until there's a PO or Euroleague finals, which are often, but because Real Madrid have insane amounts of money to buy stars.

VF21 · Jun 28, 2009

hey, what happened? I missed a couple of posts and you're not talking about the NBA any longer? If this is going to turn into a discussion of Euro basketball - which is perfectly okay - I'll change the name and move it to the General forum.

FromIsrael · Jun 28, 2009

drboiffard said:

Well that's true, Barca supporters are much better than Real's, and they're more polite and more friendly. But Real Madrid supporters are truly a joke. I remember one playoff about 4 or 5 years ago in wich we moved into RM's arena and it was like we were playing home. The people who were seated didn't care at all about the match, and the 7 or 8 soccer hooligans who came to see the match could hardly make a louder noisethan us, even they had some drums. Now they're less pathetic cause his arena is very noisy and bigger, but years ago when they played at Raimundo Saporta they where really, really ridiculous.

Anyway, the point is true basketball fans usually don't support Real Madrid or Barcelona. They support Estudiantes/DKV, wich are the clubs from the respective cities that really cares about basketball. They have good basketball schools and young categories (ie: Sergio Rodriguez came from Estudiantes' school and Ricky Rubio from DKV's). People who support RM usually don't care at all about basketball until there's a PO or Euroleague finals, which are often, but because Real Madrid have insane amounts of money to buy stars.

im still telling you, theres no better fans than olympiakos + panathanaikos + maccabitelaviv in europe...

FromIsrael · Jun 29, 2009

Here's full link download of the Euroleague 2009 Final between cska and pao

Peja · Jul 20, 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W10RDP0Xp6c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uq3XX8AYcF4

Respect for Israel fans, but check out the fans of Red Star Belgrade, Serbia. This second video is from the game which Red Star lost by 17 and was loosing most of the time and cheering was great despite they lost.

FromIsrael · Jul 28, 2009

respect for red star (btw we won them by like 35 points before some years)

but MTA fans are still the best

[yt=MTA fans]0pd6jdu38a4[/yt]

Peja · Jul 31, 2009

FromIsrael said:

Ouch, somehow, I don't remember that game against Maccabi. I remember playing agaist you in Adriatic league few years ago - you won here in Belgrade and we won over there by scoring 3 pointer from the half of the court in last minute. After that, I am pretty sure we didn't play. Maybe you played against Partizan in Euroleague?

FromIsrael · Aug 2, 2009

haha the adriatic league is such an old thing

maccabi played there in 2003
and one year after it we won the euroleague 2 years in stright.

maccabi in 2003-2005 was the biggest and strongest team in europe ever ever.

oh and we won partizan by 35 points not red belgrade.. my bad :}

btw euroleague first stage was rendomised -

BritishColumbia · Aug 2, 2009

I see that CSKA and Maccabi are playing in the same group this year. It is gonna be hot. However, both teams lost their special status IMO. I heard that CSKA lost its main sponsor (co-owner Mikhail Prokhorov) and therefore, lost some key players and Ettore. Really sad because it was a pure joy watching Maccabi-CSKA games.

This year I am supporting BC Khimki and Olimpija

Peja · Aug 3, 2009

Why Olimpija?

FromIsrael · Aug 3, 2009

Maccabi si going to be a realy good team this year, we bought Chuck Eidson the MVP of the EuroCup, he had stats of 30 ppg! andro visneivsky is the guard from st petesbourg.. great player. Lazema, Anderson and Lampe gonna bring fight to the game of maccabi.
and of course the best coach in Europe - Pini Gershon who brought Maccabi 3 Euroleague titles...
o and the coach of Cska moscow, Messina left them and ppl are saying they gonna fail big time without him.

btw, maccabi got games against NBA teams in this October, one against the Knicks and one against the Clippers

gonna be intresting too.

BritishColumbia · Aug 3, 2009

Peja said:

I am supporting Olimpija because:

1. No decent German teams; no team in Hamburg (my hometown)
2. I like that a small team from a small country competes every year

I am supporting BC Khimki because:

1. Newcomers
2. The best team name in basketball

I assume their real name is Химки in Russian letters if my spelling is correct.

FromIsrael · Aug 3, 2009

Olimpija gonna be one of the teams we HAVE to win twice in the first stage

hhahaha Beno played in Olimpija and than came to maccabi in 2003 and you know where he is right now

btw columbia you are fan of the poland national team ?

you from there right?

Peja · Aug 3, 2009

Olimpija plays every year because they have some contract signed with Euroleague. In other small countries, only champion can play in that competition. But they are interesting, that's true

@FromIsrael

Andrew Wiszniewski played in Red Star for one year and he was pretty good! Can't say that he is terrific player but decent. He was actually on the Kings roster in summer league few years ago.
Lazme also played in Serbia this season and he is tough and good rebounder but not such a good scorer. He is undersized center. He often gets into foul trouble pretty fast.

BritishColumbia · Aug 3, 2009

FromIsrael said:

No, I am not Polish

I was born in Warsaw, Poland but never actually lived there. My Dad did engineering consulting there for his company in that country. I am actually German. So, honestly, I do not care about their national team ))))
I think I should remove that Warsaw thing because people always mistaken me for being Polish ))) We, German people, do not wanna be Polish )))

Olimpija is a weak team. Obviously, they are not gonna win anything but I like that they stay competitive every year even with a very small budget.

I think it is gonna be a good year in Europe. Finally, all three best European team (history- and success-wise) - Real Madrid, CSKA Moscow and Maccabi TA - are capable of winning the crown.

I am worried about CSKA though. Are they gonna keep their best players? Yesterday I read somewhere that they lost only Zisis and Morris. So, I guess only Ettore was a serious loss.

BritishColumbia · Aug 3, 2009

Peja said:

What happened to Crvena Zvezda? Is it like Partizan the main force in Serbia now?

Is there any talks to unite Serbian and Croatian leagues?

FromIsrael · Aug 3, 2009

the best player Maccabi brought is Chuck Eidson.. is a SUPER STAR and they brought him in only 700k! cause he wanted to play in Maccabi so much.
his gonna bring us the euroleague title again

btw, every year maccabi gets to the final four, our fans allways got 80% of the capticity so its like an home ground game

Peja · Aug 3, 2009

BritishColumbia said:

Crvena Zvezda(Red Star), lost to Partizan in this years playoff by 3-2, unfortunately... We're going to play in Euro cup. Last year actually, we played in Germany and won agaist Bamberg. We won in Belgrade,too.

As for the united league... There is Adriatic league with Serbian, Croatian, Slovenian, Bosnian and Montenegrian teams. Partizan won that league too and Zvezda lost to them in semi-finals. Olimpija didn't quallify for the final 4, I think they were 6th or something like that.

So, which German team you follow over there? There's Alba, Bamberg,...

BritishColumbia · Aug 3, 2009

Peja said:

I used to follow Alba from Berlin because they were the only competitive German team in European competitions. Now, not so much. Actually, I do not watch local German basketball at all. They have a bunch of mediocre German players and uninterested American ones who cannot find teams in big leagues.

Basketball is not that big in Germany. You might get a nice crowd but you have to bring a really good team. Germany is more about football and hockey. Football is like a religion in Germany and no sport can compete with it.
And the only German super player now (Dirk) - has a Russian or Polish last name

How pathetic is that for this proud nation

?!?!?!?!?!?

FromIsrael · Aug 3, 2009

last year we had 2 matchs against alba in the top 16

we won one in israel by 30-35~ i dont remember
and in germany we won by 10..

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