ESPN Power Rankings - Kings #(2)1

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"For the purposes of review, allow me to share my usual reminder that this set of rankings is a barometer of each team's standing heading into camp. How good a team is projected to be is only part of the equation at this early stage. How good its summer was factors in as well, along with a dash of totally subjective whim. For example: Sacramento, Memphis and Philadelphia have better talent than their rankings suggest but all took a big tumble because of their offseasons."

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Power Rankings: Heat start off on top with West trio not far behind
By Marc Stein
ESPN.com


You survived 163 days without a fresh batch of NBA Power Rankings.

You can exhale now and soak in our annual training camp edition, with two-a-days commencing over the weekend for the four teams bound for Europe and on Tuesday for everyone else.

For the purposes of review, allow me to share my usual reminder that this set of rankings is a barometer of each team's standing heading into camp. How good a team is projected to be is only part of the equation at this early stage. How good its summer was factors in as well, along with a dash of totally subjective whim. For example: Sacramento, Memphis and Philadelphia have better talent than their rankings suggest but all took a big tumble because of their offseasons.

The next set of rankings will appear on Oct. 30, one day before Opening Night, after all 30 teams have a month to impress us. The rankings will then continue every Monday through the regular season.

Rank - (last week) - Team - Record - comments

1 (6) Heat 52-30 Why wouldn't my Heat get the same treatment every defending champ gets from the committee (of one)? They start on top and shame on you for suspecting otherwise.

2 (3) Mavericks 60-22 On paper, Mavs are even deeper than they were. But they still have to keep Nowitzki fresh, cope with the brutal West and prove they can get over their Finals heartache.

3 (2) Spurs 63-19 Tell me you're not buying this Spurs Are Slipping stuff. Don't forget they won 63 games last season playing more small ball than they've ever played before.

4 (4) Suns 54-28 If we knew what to expect from Amare -- and if it's good news -- Suns would be my pick to win it all. They still might be, but I'll need October to scout it out.

5 (1) Pistons 64-18 Wrenching as it was to lose Darko and Big Ben in a five-month span, Detroit still ranks no worse than No. 2 in a weakened (at the top) East in spite of that No. 11 summer.

6 (12) Bulls 41-41 Skeptics will say Bulls haven't even won a playoff series yet. My counter: Chicago played Miami tougher than anyone in the East and just added Ben, P.J. and more.

7 (8) Cavaliers 50-32 Cavs have proven they're East top-four material. But Bulls look stronger from here unless Hughes makes a splashy return or LBJ can carry even more of the load.

8 (13) Clippers 47-35 Clips came within one win of the West finals and bring back almost the exact same team. Still trying to work out which of those developments is more extraordinary.

9 (23) Rockets 34-48 Signing a desperate Bonzi on the cheap? Had to do it. Now can T-Mac and Yao stay healthy? Had to ask . . . no matter how much better their supporting cast looks.

10 (19) Hornets 38-44 What stuns me even more than Hornets' first-ever summer splash are all the negative reactions. Would another summer of non-spending have been better?

11 (5) Nets 49-33 A year ago, Rod Thorn said J-Kidd's Nets were deeper than ever. No one's even pretending to say so now about a small, thin crew at risk for exiting the East elite.

12 (10) Lakers 45-37 Remember how we picked Lakers to make the playoffs just because Phil was back? In this West, Phil and Kobe might have to have better years just to keep them there.

13 (22) Warriors 38-44 Still not totally sure which seven West teams will finish below Warriors. But that's Nellie's problem. I only made the playoff guarantee; it's his job to live up to it.

14 (14) Nuggets 44-38 The roster looks better and so does 'Melo, but the concerns haven't changed: Nuggets need shooters and (uh-oh) need Furious George and K-Mart to co-exist somehow.

15 (16) Jazz 41-41 If Jazz miss the playoffs again, that would be four straight trips to the lottery. Tough to imagine Jerry Sloan going out that way, but the West could well be that brutal.

16 (18) Pacers 41-41 Clutch as it was to snare Harrington, starting fast would be one of our man Carlisle's best tricks yet, given that Pacers have to work in, oh, about 10 new faces.

17 (17) Bucks 40-42 Praise for the Charlie V. trade was nearly unanimous. But Stotts' seat is warming, as he'll be expected to do more with a more mobile frontcourt.

18 (15) Wizards 42-40 No one expects tiny Wiz to challenge Miami for the division title. But we do demand a big rebound from Arenas after his FT playoff nightmare and Team USA snip.

19 (9) Magic 36-46 Funny thing about all that great press Magic received last April. Now Dwight and Darko -- Dwight especially after talking Orlando up even louder -- have to live up to it.

20 (25) Timberwolves 33-49 Last season's 33-49 slog was Wolves' worst season since KG's rookie mark of 26-56. But he was on the rise back then. Now even KG admits: "Clock is ticking, man."

21 (11) Kings 44-38 There will be questions -- lots -- about Muss and Artest, but the bigger red flags to me remain (A) replacing Bonzi with Salmons and (B) the absence of further tweaks.

22 (24) Celtics 33-49 Can this really be Ainge's fourth season in charge? Perhaps it's not just Ainge's coach and all his kiddies who are due to pick it up a notch.

23 (7) Grizzlies 49-33 Grizz nearly went for 50 wins last time they were confronted with doomsday projections in October. Of course, they weren't facing months without Pau last October.

24 (26) Raptors 27-55 The two questions being asked in many languages: How long will it take for all these worldly newcomers to settle and mesh? And how long will Sam get to coach them?

25 (29) Knicks 23-59 Coach and GM are on the same page at last and, like I said, Knicks Nation can't lose. Either Isiah's coaching results in a drastic improvement . . . or his dismissal.

26 (21) SuperSonics 35-47 They're not a lottery lock like their neighbors (for now) in Portland, but Sonics need another everything-goes-right season (like '04-05) just to finish eighth out West.

27 (28) Hawks 26-56 Hawks are still my favorite bad team to watch, but that's strictly because of the on-the-rise lefty (Josh) and Joe. (Yes, Marvin, that's us trying to get a rise out of you.)

28 (27) Bobcats 26-56 We haven't heard a Bobcats-related peep out of His Airness since he went for Morrison on draft day. Sorry, MJ, but that won't fly once the season starts.

29 (20) 76ers 38-44 Jokes are already starting about Spain being a perfect camp site for Philly's Ole! defense. The mood is that dark for a team that finished 8-16 and changed so little.

30 (30) Trail Blazers 21-61 There is one consolation when you're the only team eliminated from West playoff consideration on media day. It does put Blazers up there in the Oden Sweepstakes.
 
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There are a few teams ahead of us that are questionable to say the least. Warriors at 13???? In the west, I would hope that we do better than Utah, LAL, Minnisota, and Nugs. I say put us up there around Houston and New Orleans.
 
Mentioned in another thread that we shoudl be closer to #15 I think than #21, and I would certainly think us and the Warriors could be switched. But you never know -- ranking the West teams, or really so many of the teams this year, is almost impossible beyond the top handful.
 
i dont care. power rankings are usually garbage. i kinda like us being so low because when the season start and we whooping ***, it would rub it in their faces
 
Kingzrool said:
There are a few teams ahead of us that are questionable to say the least. Warriors at 13???? In the west, I would hope that we do better than Utah, LAL, Minnisota, and Nugs. I say put us up there around Houston and New Orleans.

You're overrating the Kings to much.
 
You're overrating the Kings to much.


I'm not sure how you can that. I think you are over rating the teams ahead of the Kings. The Kings at #13 is not exactly a glowing endorsement of anything. However, it is justified by the existing talent and the lack of talent on the teams ahead of them.

No more no less.
 
I think it's reality more then a self-proclaim opinion. just saying.. i understand why he has the Kings at #21. if anything it's arguable they had the worst Off-season and haven't done much if at all to improve the squad. right now they have to hope Kevin Martin really breaks-out or else we're in trouble. they haven't done much to get Insurance for this squad. if one of the core players go down we're in trouble.
 
I think it's reality more then a self-proclaim opinion. just saying.. i understand why he has the Kings at #21. if anything it's arguable they had the worst Off-season and haven't done much if at all to improve the squad. right now they have to hope Kevin Martin really breaks-out or else we're in trouble. they haven't done much to get Insurance for this squad. if one of the core players go down we're in trouble.

Worst offseason? What about philly who didn't do anything except lose Salmons and gain a rook? There are other teams that had worse offseasons. The Blazers had a good draft and then what---nothing. Rookies arent going to save them. The Warrrors just got a new coach (though good) but he isnt going to vault them into anything and their roster still has way too many problems to be a playoff team.
 
Sac.Kings said:
And you underrate them too much.

I do?. . . because i expect the Kings to end up atleast as a 7th seed am i being to harsh on them? you want me to go a little higher?

Sac.Kings said:
Worst offseason? What about philly who didn't do anything except lose Salmons and gain a rook? There are other teams that had worse offseasons. The Blazers had a good draft and then what---nothing. Rookies arent going to save them. The Warrrors just got a new coach (though good) but he isnt going to vault them into anything and their roster still has way too many problems to be a playoff team.

If anything Kings and Philly remain the teams who had the worst off-season. atleast the Warriors upgraded something and thats the coaching position.

really i'm not a pessimistic i try to be a realist. and at this point i expect the Kings to end up as a 7th seed this year and thats far from being a pessimistic.
 
I do?. . . because i expect the Kings to end up atleast as a 7th seed am i being to harsh on them? you want me to go a little higher?



If anything Kings and Philly remain the teams who had the worst off-season. atleast the Warriors upgraded something and thats the coaching position.

really i'm not a pessimistic i try to be a realist. and at this point i expect the Kings to end up as a 7th seed this year and thats far from being a pessimistic.

Weren't you the one who said the Kings would be lucky to get the 8th seed, dont go back on your word now. In case you forgot, we changed our coaching position as well and no coach in the world could turn a team like the warriors into a team thats feared overnight.
 
Sac.Kings said:
Weren't you the one who said the Kings would be lucky to get the 8th seed, dont go back on your word now. In case you forgot, we changed our coaching position as well and no coach in the world could turn a team like the warriors into a team thats feared overnight.

Without injuries we should be a 7th seed however, if someone goes down for 10-15 games especially one of our core players then its arguable that we will be lucky to make the 8th seed. maybe you should read the posts much clearly

Sac.Kings said:
we changed our coaching position as well

The difference is Nelson has had much more sucess then Eric Musselman who has never sniffed a winning percentage. were as Nelson had past sucess and guided the Mavericks to the WCF a few years ago.

Nelson has much more crediblity and respectively track record on changing franchises around then Eric Musselman does.
 
why did Stein throw out that little caveat about Sacramento, Memphis and Philadelphia having better talent then their rankings suggest, i mean if they have the talent give the appropriate rank dont dance around the issue. anyway aside rom the HEAT and MAVS i'd say it doesnt matter.
 
I agree that we don't deserve to be ranked very high after the cold offseason we had (in a year where we needed a good offseason), but being ranked below a team like the T-Wolves (who are only marginally improved from last year with Mike James on board but will still be awful) is outrageous.
 
why did Stein throw out that little caveat about Sacramento, Memphis and Philadelphia having better talent then their rankings suggest, i mean if they have the talent give the appropriate rank dont dance around the issue. anyway aside rom the HEAT and MAVS i'd say it doesnt matter.

Yeah, the Philly ranking in particular is kind of silly. Barring a major injury -- which could happen -- they aren't going to win 20 or whatever.

But this season could be remarkable. Almost NOBODY looks weak, and even the weaklings have added talent, and are dangerous but just too young to win consistently. There will be losers because there have to be, but I would bet that not 1 in 100 people could correctly guess the 16 playoff teams and their ranks. 3/4 of the league looks to be in the playoff hunt. So I think almost any ranking before the end of the first month or so is going to have a lot of guesswork involved. Almost by defintion you are forced into ranking teams down in the bottom 10 who best case could be up in the 40s in wins.
 
I agree that we don't deserve to be ranked very high after the cold offseason we had (in a year where we needed a good offseason), but being ranked below a team like the T-Wolves (who are only marginally improved from last year with Mike James on board but will still be awful) is outrageous.

As an aside, I think people might be underestimating that signing -- as well as their rook who looked excellent in summer league. But James himself averaged 20ppg last season. Was one of the Top 20 scorers in the league. You wonder where that came from, but that's a pretty major signing and abruptly gives the Wolves 3 20pt scorers and all the offense they need.
 
Ron is the X factor. We're clearly not an elite team, but having a leader like Ron around for the whole season this time might inspire a higher level of performance than would ordinarily be expected from a group like this.
 
As an aside, I think people might be underestimating that signing -- as well as their rook who looked excellent in summer league. But James himself averaged 20ppg last season. Was one of the Top 20 scorers in the league. You wonder where that came from, but that's a pretty major signing and abruptly gives the Wolves 3 20pt scorers and all the offense they need.

Oh no, don't get me wrong -- I don't underestimate that signing at all. I understand that Mike James has been pretty underrated as a scorer for a while and that it's a major signing and a great move for the Wolves. KG is unique in that he loves to defer yet he can still manage to earn that superstar label. They're definitely improved this year because of that signing alone.

But aside from those two and Ricky Davis, I don't see anyone on that roster who is competent or ready to step into the same lineup as someone like Kevin Garnett. He deserves so much better than this. But it's outrageous because the team I'm describing is ranked above a solid playoff caliber team with a wildcard in Kevin Martin who could potentially take them beyond their current status.
 
Oh no, don't get me wrong -- I don't underestimate that signing at all. I understand that Mike James has been pretty underrated as a scorer for a while and that it's a major signing and a great move for the Wolves. KG is unique in that he loves to defer yet he can still manage to earn that superstar label. They're definitely improved this year because of that signing alone.

But aside from those two and Ricky Davis, I don't see anyone on that roster who is competent or ready to step into the same lineup as someone like Kevin Garnett. He deserves so much better than this. But it's outrageous because the team I'm describing is ranked above a solid playoff caliber team with a wildcard in Kevin Martin who could potentially take them beyond their current status.


I think the theory would be this: three years ago Kevin Garnett + a ballsy 20ppg PG (Cassel) + a slashing ahtletic scorer who averaged 17 or so (Spree) + a shaky center spot (Kandi, Madsen) + a roleplayer at SF (Hassel) = something like 57 wins and a spot in the WCF. So now you take Garnett, a ballsy 20ppg PG (James) + a slashing athletic scorer who might average 19-20 or so (Davis) + a shaky center spot (Blount, Griffin) + that same roleplayer at SF (Hassel) and maybe just maybe you get some of that magic back. And Foye of course being their own young x-factor there at OG.

Of course when you rank a team at #20 you're hardly calling for them to be very good. You're jsut calling for them to be less bad than you think the guys at #21 are going to be.
 
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