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You left yourself wide open with that last line, but I chose not to take advantage of it. I never said you liked or disliked Grant. I said you can dislike him if you wanted but. It was what came after the but that was my point. Look, I'm not trying to get in a pissing contest with you. And I'm not trying to put words in your mouth. However you were echoing what a lot of other people on this fourm are saying. Didn't mean to throw you into the pile with them. So then I guess its just a matter of perception. I thought what Grant said was at the core of the issue. He said the city of sacramento had the last 10 years to get a deal done, and they haven't done it. I didn't feel he got into the blame game. Apparently you did. So be it. Regardless, what he said was true, and if they can't solve that issue, nothing else matters.
Sacramento Kings Attendance
Year Total Avg
2009-10 543,416 13,254
2008-09 502,852 12,571
2007-08 580,181 14,150
2006-07 709,817 17,312
2005-06 709,997 17,317
2004-05 709,997 17,317
2003-04 709,997 17,317
2002-03 709,997 17,317
2001-02 709,997 17,317
2000-01 709,997 17,317
1999-00 687,410 16,766
1998-99 418,751 16,750
1997-98 605,434 14,767
1996-97 709,997 17,317
1995-96 709,997 17,317
1994-95 709,997 17,317
1993-94 709,997 17,317
1992-93 709,997 17,317
1991-92 697,574 17,014
1990-91 697,574 17,014
1989-90 697,574 17,014
1988-89 677,197 16,517
1987-88 423,653 10,333
1986-87 423,653 10,333
1985-86 423,653 10,333
Year Total Avg
2009-10 543,416 13,254
2008-09 502,852 12,571
2007-08 580,181 14,150
2006-07 709,817 17,312
2005-06 709,997 17,317
2004-05 709,997 17,317
2003-04 709,997 17,317
2002-03 709,997 17,317
2001-02 709,997 17,317
2000-01 709,997 17,317
1999-00 687,410 16,766
1998-99 418,751 16,750
1997-98 605,434 14,767
1996-97 709,997 17,317
1995-96 709,997 17,317
1994-95 709,997 17,317
1993-94 709,997 17,317
1992-93 709,997 17,317
1991-92 697,574 17,014
1990-91 697,574 17,014
1989-90 697,574 17,014
1988-89 677,197 16,517
1987-88 423,653 10,333
1986-87 423,653 10,333
1985-86 423,653 10,333
I'm not sure one example is enough of a sampling to make a judgement, and I'm not going to defend either position, because as I said, I really don't know the answer. You might be right, or that could just be one city. Its certainly a better sampling than a town like kansas City would be, because like sacramento, its a one pro team town. If you are right, and the Kings do leave, I guess there's no point in bringing another team here.
I will take a stab of this. I will be taking previous reports and statements at face value (possible big mistake).
To put in my perspective, like the ad says if the Kings leave Sacramento County loses. This is a regional at least County problem and should be treated as such with both the County and City giving some.
I would take Arco, the Maloofs surrounding properties along with the City's and make it a joint economic zone. I would split the taxes generated by these properties with the County. This is the sweetener for the County to raise its tourist and recreation fees (taxes). In the Cal Expo land swap, a company Vision Maker was mentioned as a prospective developer of a amusement park to replace and work with Cal Expo and its board. Do to Cal Expo what they did to Sac city, eliminate them from the equation and develop the land with Vision Maker as an amusement park themselves. The lease agreement can include a surcharge to help defray the current outstanding bond. This could also be an investment opportunity for those trying to alleviate the Maloofs debt issues.
With the sweetener and reports that the County is receptive in helping, the County including itself in increasing the tourist/recreational fees (taxes). This revenue stream would go a long way in repaying the new bond issue.
In my opinion any bond issue is going to require someone to either back the bonds (hopefully Burkle (sp?). His emergence if he is willing to back his talk with action changes the entire picture. There are all sorts of ways he could use the bond issuance to his advantage especially if he buys them himself (like the Clips owner did).
The Maloofs would pay the lease amount they had been reported to years ago (10 mil. per year) with them getting all revenue from the suites and King activities and possibly most of the revunue from all activities minus a percentage that will help pay down the bond issue. The lease amount is only 5 mil more than the current amount they are reportedly paying to service the current bond.
This would appear to help all parties involved. The County increasing its revenue stream with money coming in from the developed properties. Both the City and County not only maintaining its current employers but adding to it. The City also gets its centerpiece for the Railyard development. I must be missing some important details.
To put in my perspective, like the ad says if the Kings leave Sacramento County loses. This is a regional at least County problem and should be treated as such with both the County and City giving some.
I would take Arco, the Maloofs surrounding properties along with the City's and make it a joint economic zone. I would split the taxes generated by these properties with the County. This is the sweetener for the County to raise its tourist and recreation fees (taxes). In the Cal Expo land swap, a company Vision Maker was mentioned as a prospective developer of a amusement park to replace and work with Cal Expo and its board. Do to Cal Expo what they did to Sac city, eliminate them from the equation and develop the land with Vision Maker as an amusement park themselves. The lease agreement can include a surcharge to help defray the current outstanding bond. This could also be an investment opportunity for those trying to alleviate the Maloofs debt issues.
With the sweetener and reports that the County is receptive in helping, the County including itself in increasing the tourist/recreational fees (taxes). This revenue stream would go a long way in repaying the new bond issue.
In my opinion any bond issue is going to require someone to either back the bonds (hopefully Burkle (sp?). His emergence if he is willing to back his talk with action changes the entire picture. There are all sorts of ways he could use the bond issuance to his advantage especially if he buys them himself (like the Clips owner did).
The Maloofs would pay the lease amount they had been reported to years ago (10 mil. per year) with them getting all revenue from the suites and King activities and possibly most of the revunue from all activities minus a percentage that will help pay down the bond issue. The lease amount is only 5 mil more than the current amount they are reportedly paying to service the current bond.
This would appear to help all parties involved. The County increasing its revenue stream with money coming in from the developed properties. Both the City and County not only maintaining its current employers but adding to it. The City also gets its centerpiece for the Railyard development. I must be missing some important details.
Carolina Panthers play in Charlotte. Also of note is that the people of Charlotte absolutely hated Shinn as an owner as it was a nasty break-up between city and team, much like what we are seeing in Sac. I know quite a few people from Charlotte who were very much turned off by the NBA after the ordeal, and it seems to be reflected in the attendance numbers.
I imagine the same scenario would be prevalent in Seattle and Sacramento as well. People have memories, and not everyone is quick to forgive a system that doesn't appreciate them.
I imagine the same scenario would be prevalent in Seattle and Sacramento as well. People have memories, and not everyone is quick to forgive a system that doesn't appreciate them.