ESPN.com's Greatest Power Forwards (Duncan #1, Webber #12)

Editor's note: With Tim Duncan leading the Spurs back to the NBA Finals for the third time in seven years, we decided it was time to determine ESPN.com's greatest all-time power forward. This ranking was compiled using top 10 lists from a panel of ESPN.com NBA experts. The voters were: Greg Anthony (GA), Chris Broussard (CB), Ric Bucher (RB), John Hollinger (JH), Scoop Jackson (SJ), Brian James (BJ), Tim Legler (TL), Eric Neel (EN), Jack Ramsay (JR), Marc Stein (MS), Tom Tolbert (TT). Players received 10 points for a first-place vote, nine points for second and so on down to one point for a 10th-place vote. If you don't like our rankings, click here to make your own.

Top 10 Power ForwardsPlayer/Voter

GACBRBJHSJBJTLENJRMSTTTotal
1. Duncan 10 10 10 8 8 9 9 9 8 10 10 101
2. Malone 9 9 6 9 10 10 10 8 10 9 8 98
3. Barkley 5 8 5 6 9 4 8 7 2 8 9 71
4. McHale 4 4 9 3 7 8 5 6 6 7 6 65
5. Pettit 8 5 7 10 6 6 4 5 9 3 -- 63
6. Garnett -- 7 4 7 1 7 6 10 7 4 -- 53
7. Hayes 6 6 8 -- 5 3 7 1 -- 6 7 49
8. Debusschere 7 -- -- -- 3 5 2 -- -- -- -- 17
9. B. Williams -- -- -- -- -- 2 1 -- 4 2 4 13
10. Nowitzki -- 2 -- 4 -- -- -- -- -- 5 -- 11

Others receiving votes (points): Amare Stoudemire (9), Chris Webber (9), Dennis Rodman (7), Dolph Schayes (7), Horace Grant (5), Ben Wallace (4), Spencer Haywood (3), Luke Jackson (3), Gus Johnson (3), Rasheed Wallace (3), Shawn Kemp (2), Bob McAdoo (2), George McGinnis (2), Charles Oakley (2), Connie Hawkins (1), Jerry Lucas (1), Vern Mikkelson (1)

1. Tim Duncan, San Antonio Spurs, 1998-present
TD dominates at both ends of the floor. The Big Fundamental has two NBA championships with San Antonio in 1999 and 2003 (more than Malone, Barkley and Pettit combined). Stats and awards don't begin to tell the Tim Duncan story, but here are a few. MVP awards in 2002 and 2003, an all-league defender, and a 22.8 points per game average in his first seven seasons.

2. Karl Malone – Utah Jazz, L.A. Lakers 1986-2004
The Mailman is simply the best low-post scoring power forward ever. And he was a lethal mid-range shooter. The 11-time NBA first-team player is second all-time in NBA scoring. The guys scored 36,928 points. That's a lot of picks and rolls and post ups. His 25.0 career average is another reason why this two-time MVP was voted onto the NBA's Top 50 squad.

3. Charles Barkley – Philadelphia 76ers,
Phoenix Suns, Houston Rockets 1985-2000
At less than 6-foot-5, Barkley is, inch for inch, arguably the most productive player ever. This top 50 player of all-time was a relentless scorer and one of the strongest in the low post. He was a first or second NBA teamer for 10 seasons. Over 16 seasons, Barkley averaged 22.1 points.

4. Kevin McHale – Boston Celtics 1981-1993
Greatest post moves ever at the four spot. One-third of the best frontline of all time. McHale not only was voted as one of the NBA's Top 50, but won three championships with the Celtics in 1981, '84, and '86. One of the best sixth men ever to play the game. McHale spent his entire career with Boston averaging 17.9 points off the bench.

5. Bob Pettit – Milwaukee/St. Louis Hawks 1955-1965
Defined power-forward position. Before him there were just forwards. Pettit's Hawks topped the Celtics with Bob Cousy and Bill Russell in the NBA Finals in 1958. This top 50 player off all-time averaged 26.4 points over his career. This is quite a feat considering the era in which he played.

6. Kevin Garnett – Minnesota T-wolves 1996-present
Garnett plays the right way. He brings it every night. The MVP in 2004, Garnett is a four-time All-NBA defensive team member and has made the first or second All-NBA time five times. K-G has averaged 20.2 points and 11.1 rebounds over his career, all with the T-wolves.

7. Elvin Hayes – San Diego/Houston Rockets, Baltimore/Capital/Washington Bullets 1969-1984
The Big E was an offensive machine. He could score from anywhere plus rebound and defend. Hayes voted one of the top 50 players of all-time. Won a championship with Washington in 1978 and is its all-time leader in points and blocked shots.

8. Dave DeBusschere – Detroit Pistons,
New York Knicks 1963-1974
One of the links to two championship teams in New York in 1970 and 1973. DeBusschere was a strong, smart forward who could shoot with the best of them. He was voted as one of the top 50 players of all time.

9. Buck Williams – New Jersey Nets, Portland Trail Blazers, New York Knicks 1982-1998
Buck played 17 seasons with three teams and was one of the toughest, hard-nosed leaders of his era. Like Garnett, he came to play every single night. Buck is the all-time leading scorer and rebounder in New Jersey Nets history and helped the Blazers get to the Finals in 1990.

10. Dirk Nowitzki – Dallas Mavericks 1999-Present
No power forward dead or alive could keep him from dropping 20. Maybe Rodman. Best shooting big man ever … and he can drive and dunk it like a swinger. Another revolutionary, like Malone.
 
Of those players, if I was basing it on their best five year span, the guy I'd love to see teamed with Duncan would be McHale.
 
striker said:
Of those players, if I was basing it on their best five year span, the guy I'd love to see teamed with Duncan would be McHale.

Malone would be the most complimentary PF next to Duncan. Mid range shot takes him out of Duncan's way, bruising defender which Duncan could rely on, runs the court better than Tim. Barkley to a lesser extent had those same qualities, but Malone was more dependable personality wise, more durable, more professional, and a better defender.
 
McHale before he had the foot problems was pretty mobile. He could hit form 16 feet or so. On the defense end and rebounding McHale and Duncan would be dynamite, the best of all combinations and as we know defense wins titles. McHale use to be able to do a respectable job guarding everybody from Kareem to little guards if he got switched similar to Duncan . And he was clutch while Malone proved to be anti-clutch, always playing worse in the finals than the regualr season.

McHale is very underated, probably because he felll in Bird's shadow.
 
my only thought at the moment is that the idiot named Ric Bucher put Karl Malone at 4th best. I'm sorry, but taht's just wrong, whether it may have affect the final verdict or not

luckily, this poll doesnt matter :) (maybe this thread should be a poll of who is best...just an idiea)
 
I tell you what, I personally would have rated Shawn Kemp higher than Amare Stoudemire; hell, Kemp was Stoudemire before Stoudemire was Stoudemire...

I think that you're putting too much weight in those last few years in Portland and Orlando, when he was terrible, and ignoring his first eleven years, particularly his first seven years, when he was arguably top 5 in the entire league.
 
striker said:
McHale is very underated, probably because he felll in Bird's shadow.

Not underrated by a Lakers fan. McHale, Pippen, and Andrew Toney to name a few were much harder for LA to negate than Bird, Jordan, Erving. McHale was a pain in the *** with his "white salamander" post moves. That's why I want to thank your team for trading us Mychal Thompson for junk. Green was too small to effect McHale at all. Thx, Spurs. As a token of appreciation, you get Horry.
 
sloter said:
I'd have Garnett, Duncan and Barkley ahead of Malone.

Malone's got 2 deserved MVPs. Deserved. Yes, Michael. Deserved. Only Duncan from that list above is on Malone's level and I don't think Duncan owns the top spot until he's longer in the tooth (just out of respect to someone who toiled for 19 years with only 10 DNPs in his first 18 years -- more than half of those DNPs being suspensions).

My opinion on Barkley is that he was the most naturally gifted PF ever. He was a bread truck in college. He had a tire hanging over his shorts and his coach said he would down whole large pizzas before games that opponent fans would send to his room. During a game at Vanderbilt, the fans chanted "Fatboy!" at him all night long. Yet...he could get off the floor like a rabbit, block dunks, dribble full speed like a guard, and rebound like a center. However, he was an idiot for much of his pro career, didn't train hard enough to win titles, got in bar brawls, was Jayson Williams' first negative influence (dubious distinction) etc.

Garnett's a great player, but what the hell has he ever done to warrant being considered better than Malone? I've been a big KG proponent on this board, but really...
 
Mr. S£im Citrus said:
I tell you what, I personally would have rated Shawn Kemp higher than Amare Stoudemire; hell, Kemp was Stoudemire before Stoudemire was Stoudemire...

I think that you're putting too much weight in those last few years in Portland and Orlando, when he was terrible, and ignoring his first eleven years, particularly his first seven years, when he was arguably top 5 in the entire league.

Disagree. Stoudemire's got Kemp beat. Kemp was one of the most foul-prone players of all time, choker, couldn't elevate his teammates' games. In fact, he was a negative locker room influence, always whining about not being able to restructure his contract to look more like Jim McIlvaine's. He was obviously coked up for much of his young career. He finally caused some kind of malestrom behind the scenes that never really leaked. Rumors got out that he was an alkie so he said he'd never play another game for Seattle. I'd much rather have Amare than Kemp. Amare's a borderline superstar in his 2nd season, rookie of the year in his 1st, great upside.
 
i dont know.... without nash he is just a overhyped, former rookie of the year....
 
Gargamel said:
Malone's got 2 deserved MVPs. Deserved. Yes, Michael. Deserved. Only Duncan from that list above is on Malone's level and I don't think Duncan owns the top spot until he's longer in the tooth (just out of respect to someone who toiled for 19 years with only 10 DNPs in his first 18 years -- more than half of those DNPs being suspensions).

My opinion on Barkley is that he was the most naturally gifted PF ever. He was a bread truck in college. He had a tire hanging over his shorts and his coach said he would down whole large pizzas before games that opponent fans would send to his room. During a game at Vanderbilt, the fans chanted "Fatboy!" at him all night long. Yet...he could get off the floor like a rabbit, block dunks, dribble full speed like a guard, and rebound like a center. However, he was an idiot for much of his pro career, didn't train hard enough to win titles, got in bar brawls, was Jayson Williams' first negative influence (dubious distinction) etc.

Garnett's a great player, but what the hell has he ever done to warrant being considered better than Malone? I've been a big KG proponent on this board, but really...

Well, I've seen Malone at his prime, and Garnett in his career so far is better in every aspect of the game except maybe in passing. Barkley was on pee poor Philadelphia teams during most of his career, so his accomplishments can't be quite compared in the same way. His team was the closest one to beating the Bulls. He held Horace Grant at his prime to 1 point in Games 5 and 6 while he was scoring in high 30s and 40s.
 
The thing about Barkley vs. Malone to me would be that Barkley was probably a much better "clutch" performer, and may have even one a title or two had he not been faced up against the greatest clutch performer of all time (same could probably be said for Malone's Jazz, though). Barkley has to get many props for being the only 6'4" PF to dominate games, though, which is why I'd probably put him ahead of Malone. It will be awhile before we see another one like Malone or Barkley, but my guess is we will see the next Karl Malone well before we see another Barkley clone.
 
4cwebb said:
The thing about Barkley vs. Malone to me would be that Barkley was probably a much better "clutch" performer, and may have even one a title or two had he not been faced up against the greatest clutch performer of all time.
Barkley and Malone played against Jerry West?
 
AriesMar27 said:
i dont know.... without nash he is just a overhyped, former rookie of the year....

In '03-'04 (playing without Nash) Amare put up 24.5ppg, 10.6rpg, 1.6 blocks and 1.2 steals in 27 games after the All Star Break.
 
Unfortunately I only know what I have seen.

I would put Dennis Rodman onthat list somewhere on the top 10. Kemp was one of my all time favorates, but not a top ten all time. Dirk is unique but is he the tenth best ever? I don't think so. Maybe if he keeps it up a lil' longer.
 
amare before webber and 'sheed? young sheed and webber would **** all over amare! and dirk 10? who made this list cuz it sucks! dirk isnt even top 15! ESPN has no respect for the legends of this game! garnett should be top 3, amare shouldnt even be on the list at this point in his career... how do u become the greatest anything in ur 2nd year?

wheres jermaine oneal on this list?
 
I would place Karl Malone ahead of Tim Duncan. Malone never really had the benfit of a team full of really good players like Bowen and Ginobili, despite the presence of John Stockton who was better than Tony Parker.
 
jacobdrj said:
I would put Dennis Rodman on that list somewhere on the top 10. Kemp was one of my all time favorates, but not a top ten all time.

I think Dennis Rodman should be in the top 5 personally. This dude did what a power forward is paid to do: rebound and defend. Plus he won five championships and was an important piece of every single one of them.
 
quick dog said:
I would place Karl Malone ahead of Tim Duncan. Malone never really had the benfit of a team full of really good players like Bowen and Ginobili, despite the presence of John Stockton who was better than Tony Parker.

Good point. Because no one wanted to play in Utah, their third options consisted of whoever was remotely viable and could be convinced to stay there. Dantley couldn't work with Malone so they traded him early. Jeff Malone was a nice guard, but his relationship soured with Sloan (surprise). Jeff Malone begot Jeff Hornacek who was still good, but not sufficient as a 3rd option on a true title contender, espec when he played at the same position as MJ.

Utah's most talented units were pre-Sloan. Unfortunately for them, Layden was a mediocre coach.
 
Purple Reign said:
I think Dennis Rodman should be in the top 5 personally. This dude did what a power forward is paid to do: rebound and defend. Plus he won five championships and was an important piece of every single one of them.

Want to see something that'll make your eyes bug out? Here's Rodman's game log from 1992. Look at the column that says "TOT REB" and scroll down.

http://basketballreference.com/players/playerlog.htm?yr=1991&ilkid=RODMADE01
 
Gargamel said:
Disagree. Stoudemire's got Kemp beat. Kemp was one of the most foul-prone players of all time, choker, couldn't elevate his teammates' games. In fact, he was a negative locker room influence, always whining about not being able to restructure his contract to look more like Jim McIlvaine's. He was obviously coked up for much of his young career. He finally caused some kind of malestrom behind the scenes that never really leaked. Rumors got out that he was an alkie so he said he'd never play another game for Seattle. I'd much rather have Amare than Kemp. Amare's a borderline superstar in his 2nd season, rookie of the year in his 1st, great upside.

I don't think the judging was based on locker room etiquette and contract discussions.
 
Rodman has to be considered for top 5. When he was in a game, you could almost guarantee he alone would be out-rebounding the other team.
I never liked Rodman...too wierd for my taste, but dang, he was one of the best defenders of ALL time.


Nice #'s, Brick.
 
And some people wondered why, when we talked about what player we'd like to bring to the Kings, I said Dennis Rodman in his prime. He's a train wreck now, but boy could he play the game!
 
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