Enough with the undersized BS!!

[Team Dime]

You can't use the "out of shape" excuse for why Ostertag isn't playing. How many times have we seen Vlade and Webber labor to get up and down the floor and still play their 35+ minutes?

Please don't even put Vlade or Webber in the same breath as Ostertag. The amount of contributions Vlade and Webber were able to add to the game compared to what minor things Ostertag can do makes it look like a very silly comparison.

 

[VF21]

Please don't even put Vlade or Webber in the same breath as Ostertag. The amount of contributions Vlade and Webber were able to add to the game compared to what minor things Ostertag can do makes it look like a very silly comparison.

WORD!!!

Ostertag is apparently mentally and physically removing himself from the team - and the game. At this point I'd rather see Daniels get some minutes. At least he's obviously part of the team - and not separated from it.

If Adelman isn't playing Tag - especially right now - there has to be a lot more to the story than is being told. And that's fine. I have faith that RA would not simply sit him down because of some perceived slight or another. There IS a reason.

 

[Bricklayer]

I have faith that RA would not simply sit him down because of some perceived slight or another.

I don't necessarily. Rick's a good coach, but he has some real weaknesses, among them the inability to recognize the defensive/hustle specialist, and a real problem with doghousing players.

 

[VF21]

I don't necessarily. Rick's a good coach, but he has some real weaknesses, among them the inability to recognize the defensive/hustle specialist, and a real problem with doghousing players.

I'm in no way convinced Greg Ostertag could exactly be referred to as a "defensive/hustle specialist." I believe his idea of "hustle" was the dance we saw him do in RCD shorts.

 

[NewEraKings05]

I'm in no way convinced Greg Ostertag could exactly be referred to as a "defensive/hustle specialist." I believe his idea of "hustle" was the dance we saw him do in RCD shorts.

If that's not enough to bench a guy, then I don't know what is!!

 

[Team Dime]

WORD!!!

Ostertag is apparently mentally and physically removing himself from the team - and the game. At this point I'd rather see Daniels get some minutes. At least he's obviously part of the team - and not separated from it.

If Adelman isn't playing Tag - especially right now - there has to be a lot more to the story than is being told. And that's fine. I have faith that RA would not simply sit him down because of some perceived slight or another. There IS a reason.

That's exactly what I've been saying all along. Too many people criticize Adelman for never playing Ostertag, but far too few ever criticize Ostertag himself for not being ready to play. And yes, Adelman and the coaching staff see Ostertag practice, their judgment on whether he deserves any playing time is alot better than those who are just speculating for afar.

 

[Kev.in]

Please don't even put Vlade or Webber in the same breath as Ostertag. The amount of contributions Vlade and Webber were able to add to the game compared to what minor things Ostertag can do makes it look like a very silly comparison.

You bringing this up is what looks silly. Stop being sensitive about the legacy of Webber/Vlade, save it for when someone is actually making an attack on them. I'm not comparing their contributions or capabilities. I'm comparing their conditioning, which obviously can't be the whole issue behind Ostertag piling up DNP-CDs when you look at the way Adelman has handled big men who were trying to play their way back into the seat. And guess what!? Turns out I had a point, if you go back and read KingsGurl posted a little bit earlier in here.

 

[BigWaxer]

Tag seems to be in the same doghouse as Tmass last year.

In fact I am thinking Tag has one of the best jobs in the world right now. He is getting paid millions to goof around and sit at the end of the bench.

 

[SacTownKid]

WORD!!!

Ostertag is apparently mentally and physically removing himself from the team - and the game. At this point I'd rather see Daniels get some minutes. At least he's obviously part of the team - and not separated from it.

If Adelman isn't playing Tag - especially right now - there has to be a lot more to the story than is being told. And that's fine. I have faith that RA would not simply sit him down because of some perceived slight or another. There IS a reason.

Rick Adelman told everyone his reason for not playing Tag! He said he doesn't "match up well", which may very well be true. All I am saying is that if he is going to repeatedly use being "undersized" as an excuse for losing then don't say Tag doesn't "match up".

 

[BigWaxer]

I don't buy that match up well arguement from RA. Even though I wouldn't play Tag for other reasons I think he is just being PC about it all and there are other reasons for his lack of play.

 

[slugking50]

Rick Adelman told everyone his reason for not playing Tag! He said he doesn't "match up well", which may very well be true. All I am saying is that if he is going to repeatedly use being "undersized" as an excuse for losing then don't say Tag doesn't "match up".

Huh?

Adelman said he doesnt play Tag because he says hes out of shape. Why would anybody say TAg is undersized? Adelman has never and wouldnt ever say a 7-2 guy is undersized.

 

[Bricklayer]

Huh?

Adelman said he doesnt play Tag because he says hes out of shape. Why would anybody say TAg is undersized? Adelman has never and wouldnt ever say a 7-2 guy is undersized.

Think his point was that if you claim to be losing because you're undersized, than saying the guy who ISN'T undersized doesn't match up well is ridiculous. Whatever his other limitations, he provides precisely the size matchup that your undersized team needs.

 

[Team Dime]

You bringing this up is what looks silly. Stop being sensitive about the legacy of Webber/Vlade, save it for when someone is actually making an attack on them. I'm not comparing their contributions or capabilities. I'm comparing their conditioning, which obviously can't be the whole issue behind Ostertag piling up DNP-CDs when you look at the way Adelman has handled big men who were trying to play their way back into the seat. And guess what!? Turns out I had a point, if you go back and read KingsGurl posted a little bit earlier in here.

I'm not the one who started the comparison of Ostertag's conditioning to that of Vlade and Webber. Vlade was never in great shape (even if he did cut down to about a half a pack or so) but he was able to play prolonged minutes without passing out. Ostertag looks almost dead after about 3-5 min. Webber's always been a very good shape. He spent alot of time in rehab to get his knee ready (he's pretty much the best to come back from microfracture surgery; just look at how much Penny Hardaway and Houston have struggled). The point is that it's been Webber's knee that was bad, not his conditioning. He actually put in the time and effort to get his body into shape while it appears the Ostertag has never stepped on a treadmill all year.

Webber and Vlade added so much to the Kings while it can be said that Ostertag is an overall liability on the court. That's why they got playing time and he doesn't.

 

[Kev.in]

You must not remember the last month of the regular season + playoffs in 2001 and pretty much every other time he came back from a sprained ankle if you think Webber was always in very good shape. Especially in the '01 playoffs, he was up to nearly 270lbs and was getting torched from the outside, but he still got his minutes. The point is, Rick doesn't hold it against guys if they're out of shape. For another example: Nick Anderson showed up to camp weighing 3lbs more than Corliss Williamson in 1999 and he started every game he was available for at shooting guard and played significant minutes. That's right, we had a 6'6" 248lb starting shooting guard and he got his minutes.

 

[Team Dime]

You must not remember the last month of the regular season + playoffs in 2001 and pretty much every other time he came back from a sprained ankle if you think Webber was always in very good shape. Especially in the '01 playoffs, he was up to nearly 270lbs and was getting torched from the outside, but he still got his minutes. The point is, Rick doesn't hold it against guys if they're out of shape. For another example: Nick Anderson showed up to camp weighing 3lbs more than Corliss Williamson in 1999 and he started every game he was available for at shooting guard and played significant minutes. That's right, we had a 6'6" 248lb starting shooting guard and he got his minutes.

I don't think any of them have been anywhere close to being as out of shape as Ostertag had been throughout his career. The guy looks like he's never lifted a weight his entire life. The players you mentioned could all add something to the team. Ostertag adds very little. The fact that he's out of shape reduces his value substantially.

The bottom line is that people can complain for Ostertag to play until they're blue in the face, but it's not going to change Adelman's mind. Even if he did play, I don't think it would help the team all that much. He's not close to being the player he once was and adding his offensive limitations to an already struggling offense would be disastrous.