Eddie Griffin waived
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He's also nuttier than Artest; I'll pass. We don't have the infrastructure, in terms of leadership, to keep a goon like that under control.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Unfortunately true given our catastrophically bad frontcourt effort anymore. Griffin as a waived player could be a freebie longshot. But all of the structure we once had in place to absorb that kind of mess -- Rick, Vlade, Webb, Doug etc., its all gone. The leadership of soothing personalities just aren't there. Now given the imminent explosion that is going to blow this team up in about 2-3 months anyway, I guess Grffin couldn't really do too much long term damage, but I just see little hope that Muss could master him, and anybody but our own resident nut could reach him as a player. Talk about the blind leading the blind.
BreakfastWithYao
Prospect
Eddie needs to go to a country where they don't install DVD players into the steering wheel. He could then carve out a nice overseas career for himself, and perhaps find some piece of mind.
On the Kings, no.
On the Kings, no.
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
can't get any worse with the way the team is going now. maybe it'll spark a fire under KT and Reef's butts that there is a third wheel competing for the starting position 
vytzka
G-League
I'm not sure that the argument "we've got one, uh, y'know, not particularly stable, knowhatimean, folk on the squad so we should get more of them so they can have parties together and not feel so lonely out there" holds much water. Sure, he's a capable player and I would cheer him for his game were he to become a King but I'd rather have someone who's actually sane instead.
Besides imagine some evil minded Youtuber Kings (or more likely an infiltrator LA) fan doing a mix video of the never-seen-before "DVD incident" footage.
Uh-oh. I shouldn't have said OH MY GOD I NEED TO PURGE THAT IMAGE FROM MY HEAD, CURSE MY IMAGINATION, ARGH, ARGH, OH PLEASE SOMEBODY KILL ME!
Ahem.
So I was saying it's much better to start Justin Williams instead and watch him progress. Just have something interesting to do for the bits after he's fouled.
Besides imagine some evil minded Youtuber Kings (or more likely an infiltrator LA) fan doing a mix video of the never-seen-before "DVD incident" footage.
Uh-oh. I shouldn't have said OH MY GOD I NEED TO PURGE THAT IMAGE FROM MY HEAD, CURSE MY IMAGINATION, ARGH, ARGH, OH PLEASE SOMEBODY KILL ME!
Ahem.
So I was saying it's much better to start Justin Williams instead and watch him progress. Just have something interesting to do for the bits after he's fouled.
Gosh, if only there were someone on the roster rotting at the end of the bench who could do this...
vytzka - I'm with you.Eddie Griffin falls under the category of "one man's trash is another man's, well, trash."
There was a time when I would have said "Sure, he's not a bad ballplayer as long as he doesn't take too many shots, and he does stuff that we need." The same sorts of things that I'm sure Minnesota was thinking when they signed him. But that was before a couple more years of failed attempts to rehabilitate him of his alcoholism, and before the incident which nobody could ever live down. He might help the team, but only if Muss was willing to play an actual big, which so far doesn't seem to be the case. Maybe he's sold on small ball, or maybe it's just it takes good, in-depth statistical analysis to show that having a guy clog the lane really makes a team a lot better, even if he doesn't rack up very many points. But, for whatever reason, Muss doesn't even seem willing to play one he already has, and Griffin definitely wouldn't help us sitting on the bench. So the main thing we'd get would be the embarassment factor.
Besides, do we want a band-aid right now? We might be better off giving Potapenko 25 minutes a game, now that we're down to the garbage time of the season. Where's that Mo Taylor guy when you need him?
Besides, do we want a band-aid right now? We might be better off giving Potapenko 25 minutes a game, now that we're down to the garbage time of the season. Where's that Mo Taylor guy when you need him?
nbrans
All-Star
Ah yes, another domestic violence veteran (among other things) is exactly what this team needs.
As if people in Sacramento haven't soured on the Kings enough, why in the world would you take any risk on becoming the second coming of the Jailblazers for a player who also happens to completely suck?
As if people in Sacramento haven't soured on the Kings enough, why in the world would you take any risk on becoming the second coming of the Jailblazers for a player who also happens to completely suck?
vytzka
G-League
I had the impression that he's pretty athletic and would at the very least make a good defensive big if he wasn't stone cold crazy. Forget Pattersons and Jacksons, he's in a nutcase league of his own.
I mean the DVD episode alone would have been a runaway winner of a Darwin award had he not been so lucky. That's one of the things people say "come on, you've got to be kidding me, nobody's that crazy" about. And that's only one case where he got busted, who knows how many such or similar incidents did he get away with it.
I'd quite appreciate having a padded wall between myself and him, thank you very much. And I mean a wall that isn't only padded on my side.
Rockmeister
All-Star
The Kings don't need Eddie Griffin. Period.
Pleeeeeeeaase pick him up. It really couldn't get worse this season. I'm tired of KT being out jumped and Reef being out hustled night in night out...
Ron and Eddie? hmm.. Maybe the two bad boys together might cancel themselves out.
Sounds good to me. It's not like we have much more to lose other then a better draft pick position. We need major help at 4/5 and Griffin would defiantely help there, just about anyone with a pulse and tall would be good, you cannot get too picky when you are so crappy!
vytzka
G-League
Kinda. While watching pr0n on a DVD player in his car. Being drunk like a shoe. Slamming into another guy's car in the process. Offering to buy said guy a new car in order not to get the police called. Getting that filmed by a camera in a security store. Lots more details. Hilarity ensues.
Seriously, I couldn't make this stuff up if I tried. See for yourself:
http://wcco.com/topstories/local_story_180133016.html
Seriously, I couldn't make this stuff up if I tried. See for yourself:
http://wcco.com/topstories/local_story_180133016.html
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beb0p
Starter
The dude is so much more than just a lazy troublemaker. In addition to the infamous "SUV" incident, he also fought with a teammate in HS. Punched a teammate in college. Fired gunshots at his girlfriend. Spent a year in alcohol rehab. Routinely misses practices and has a history of hostility to teammates. There is NO best-case scenario with Eddie Griffin. He simply doesn't care. You can't coach someone who doesn't give a damn.
The sure-case scenario, if we sign him, is Griffin spenting a lot of time on the bench because he doesn't know the plays and doesn't care to learn them, misses a lot of games to deal with his "issues", plays selfishly while he is on the court, and fight with Ron Artest and Mike Bibby's posse.
Lastly, while Artest is insane, he is also a hard worker. Artest would absolutely po'ed at the sight of a slacker like Griffin. I don't want the next Artest incident to be that of choking Eddie Griffin to death for showing up to practice late and drunk.
The sure-case scenario, if we sign him, is Griffin spenting a lot of time on the bench because he doesn't know the plays and doesn't care to learn them, misses a lot of games to deal with his "issues", plays selfishly while he is on the court, and fight with Ron Artest and Mike Bibby's posse.
Lastly, while Artest is insane, he is also a hard worker. Artest would absolutely po'ed at the sight of a slacker like Griffin. I don't want the next Artest incident to be that of choking Eddie Griffin to death for showing up to practice late and drunk.
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O.k. thanks for the rap sheet on Eddie. I would like to change my answer to no thank you! I rather have Danny Fortson here then Eddie if that is his past and he is such a cancer.
I would much rather we play Williams 1st and Potapenko later if we absolutely need to, but then again why not give Williams all the time, he at least gives great effort, is cheap, and is young and needs more NBA experience. Pot is gone anyways, just after this season it will be official, he represents a $3.6M coming off the books that has been sitting on the bench, if he was even that lucky collecting a paycheck since we traded Skinner who was a good tough player who also had a great locker room presence. I really miss Skinner. Eventhough I didn't like the Webber/Barnes to Philly for their moveable pieces...Corliss this year has been nice to have around and I would have liked to have Skinner off the bench and starting if the matchup was right. K9 has had his moments, but he has been a great disappointment and he needs to start, not that he is good, but because he will give little to nothing if he is a scrub off the bench which he really is.
Gary
All-Star
Pleeeeeeeaase pick him up. It really couldn't get worse this season. I'm tired of KT being out jumped and Reef being out hustled night in night out...
Ron and Eddie? hmm.. Maybe the two bad boys together might cancel themselves out.
Was thinking the same thing.. Two negatives make a positive right?
But thats when you multiply.. When you add two negatives you get a bigger negative
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Bring him in! What's there to destroy!?!? He was framed BTW.
vytzka
G-League
Look, he doesn't bring anything to the Kings that we don't already have. Except his personal issues. And he needs more help than Kings frontline.
And don't get me started on locker room and our situation not getting 'worse'. This is a guy who I want as far away from our kids as possible.
And don't get me started on locker room and our situation not getting 'worse'. This is a guy who I want as far away from our kids as possible.
vytzka
G-League
See this fellow? This is Justin Williams. You might not have noticed him on the court because he isn't currently playing much. However, when he did play, he showed that he's got pretty mean hustle, athleticism and potential to be a terrific defensive player. If that doesn't count, he also, oh, you know, led NBDL in rebounding and shotblocking, nothing special of course. But before you say that it's worth nothing either, I'll remind you that there are quite a few players in NBDL, some of them even returning back to NBA to play at pretty high level, and most of them never lead even that league in either category (shocking, isn't it?).
Now on exhibit B we have Eddie Griffin, and not the good one, but the thrash bin waived by Minnesota a couple of days ago. If you looked carefully to his stats this season you wouldn't see much of a difference. In fact, I'll enumerate their season totals for you. Just so that other people wouldn't mistake a raving madman (who makes RonRon look like a Boy Scout with straight As in Math and Literature in comparison) and a 6'10" blob of locker room cancer, having degraded to nothingness from whatever skills he did have at some point for a quality NBA player.
Justin in purple and Eddie in, oh I don't know, this horrid shade of green for example.
Games played-started: 12-1 vs 13-0
Minutes played: 73 vs 92
Field goals made-attempted: 10-18 vs 7-27
Free throws: 5-21 vs 4-5
Rebounds offensive-defensive: 11-18 vs 7-18
Assists: 0 vs 4
Steals: 0 vs 0
Blocks: 4 vs 7
TO: 4 vs 6
Fouls: 9 vs 8
Points: 25 vs 18 (8 of them against SAC)
Now keep in mind that these are very first NBA minutes for our big J, while Griffin has whole four seasons behind his belt (he'd have five if he hasn't gone on a binge for entire 03-04 season nominally with the Rockets).
I reiterate the question: just how signing a guy that wasn't even good enough for Wolves and putting him on the bench in front of Justin (because there's not much space behind him) helps anybody except his addictions?
Me? I stand by my man J-Will Mark Two.
And this discussion is actually moot, because in no way I'd believe that Geoff would pull another, worse Mo Taylor on us in a single year. But still, it's fun to argue and be glad about the guy that we already have (and having Griffin in comparison goes a long way to help feeling good in this case) rather than ponder the immediate reality of the Kings. So let's continue
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Actually there is little comparison there -- Griffin is a much better basketball player than Justin Williams, and actually has the talent to play in the NBA and be a sporadic force. Has even had a smattering of teaser games where he was something approaching dominant, including a few against us actually. But his problem unfortunately is all from the neck up. Will be a good early candidate for brain transplant surgery once that becomes available. Or given all the extra room up there, maybe just brain implant surgery.
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vytzka
G-League
Yes he is (or would be), sadly I just don't believe that he's going anywhere but down. He pretty much hasn't played the whole season except a couple of garbage minutes here and there, probably not training too much either if at all and drinking like a fish. I don't believe that if you put him on the floor right now in his present physical and mental condition and (nonexistant) cohesion with the team instead of Williams that we would see any kind of improvement. It's a real pity, but I think it's very probable that he becomes next Keon Clark and we won't see him in the NBA anymore after a couple of years, if that long.
Now if we could sober him up, put some brains into that thick skull of his and get him to seriously prepare for the next season, that would be awesome. Unfortunately, that happening has about the same chance as a snowball in the heat of a thousand suns.
Now if we could sober him up, put some brains into that thick skull of his and get him to seriously prepare for the next season, that would be awesome. Unfortunately, that happening has about the same chance as a snowball in the heat of a thousand suns.
gunks
Hall of Famer
See this fellow? This is Justin Williams. You might not have noticed him on the court because he isn't currently playing much. However, when he did play, he showed that he's got pretty mean hustle, athleticism and potential to be a terrific defensive player. If that doesn't count, he also, oh, you know, led NBDL in rebounding and shotblocking, nothing special of course. But before you say that it's worth nothing either, I'll remind you that there are quite a few players in NBDL, some of them even returning back to NBA to play at pretty high level, and most of them never lead even that league in either category (shocking, isn't it?).
Now on exhibit B we have Eddie Griffin, and not the good one, but the thrash bin waived by Minnesota a couple of days ago. If you looked carefully to his stats this season you wouldn't see much of a difference. In fact, I'll enumerate their season totals for you. Just so that other people wouldn't mistake a raving madman (who makes RonRon look like a Boy Scout with straight As in Math and Literature in comparison) and a 6'10" blob of locker room cancer, having degraded to nothingness from whatever skills he did have at some point for a quality NBA player.
Justin in purple and Eddie in, oh I don't know, this horrid shade of green for example.
Games played-started: 12-1 vs 13-0
Minutes played: 73 vs 92
Field goals made-attempted: 10-18 vs 7-27
Free throws: 5-21 vs 4-5
Rebounds offensive-defensive: 11-18 vs 7-18
Assists: 0 vs 4
Steals: 0 vs 0
Blocks: 4 vs 7
TO: 4 vs 6
Fouls: 9 vs 8
Points: 25 vs 18 (8 of them against SAC)
Now keep in mind that these are very first NBA minutes for our big J, while Griffin has whole four seasons behind his belt (he'd have five if he hasn't gone on a binge for entire 03-04 season nominally with the Rockets).
I reiterate the question: just how signing a guy that wasn't even good enough for Wolves and putting him on the bench in front of Justin (because there's not much space behind him) helps anybody except his addictions?
Me? I stand by my man J-Will Mark Two.
And this discussion is actually moot, because in no way I'd believe that Geoff would pull another, worse Mo Taylor on us in a single year. But still, it's fun to argue and be glad about the guy that we already have (and having Griffin in comparison goes a long way to help feeling good in this case) rather than ponder the immediate reality of the Kings. So let's continue
Hey dude, I'm a big Williams fan myself. I was one of the few genuinely pissed off at the beginning of this season when he was cut to make room for *sigh* Mo Taylor. I also followed him in NBDL, was elated when he was signed. And am now one of the ones irritated at the lack of minutes he's getting (not that he's shown much in his limited time...But considering his potential thats more reason to give him much more minutes to end this bust season).
In a nutshell....You're preaching to the choir about Williams
I just think Eddie Griffin is one of those "why the hell not" situations. We sign him on the cheap to finish out the season, if he doesnt work out then no loss. If by some miracle he does good then we can go from there. He's probably on the verge of being out of the NBA for good. Maybe that would light a fire under his ***. The Kings have been a bit of a rehab team for goofy players (although that was under Rick, who knew how to deal with his players).
vytzka
G-League
Yeah, so I got a little carried away, big dealIn a nutshell....You're preaching to the choir about Williams
I just feel like pimping Justin, can you blame me? The only way this thing makes any kind of sense to me is trying to start both Justin and Eddie as to both give J-Will 2: Electric Boogaloo* plenty of time to develop and make Eddie actually work for his Jack Daniels money. But that's one of those things that look good in NBA Live** and would I guess be a complete failure in reality due to the reasons I've enumerated above with great care. Okay, not so much care as love for Justin Williams.
*I'd call him Jayw-I-LLL-2 but I doubt that many people would get the Paranoia reference
so I stuck to Mystery Science Theater 3000 this time**Which of course mean that Muss would be all for it.
