Eddie Griffin fan club!

Bricklayer said:
Don;t think the last part is necessarily accurate. Griffin's past IS bizarre. but so far as I know, since arriving in Minnesota after his semi-self imposed exile form the league, there have been no problems. Which doesn't make him a candidate for canonization, but the bizarre behavior seems to be a thing of the past.

Now the only question becomes can/will he figure it out on the court? The facination, such as it is, is that 100% without a question he has the POTENTIAL to be a vastly superior interior defender to anyone currently on the Kings roster. And its not as if that's completely buried -- he already blocks a ton of shots, grabs a lot of boards. And has games where he is just a flat out stud. This season alone he has gone:

12/05 v. Jazz 28min 14pts (6-9 FG) 11rebs 8blks
12/28 v. Sonics 38min 22pts (8-11 FG) 12rebs 4blks
01/20 v. Pacers 39min 17pts (7-11 FG) 14rebs 6blks

Not as if he's a scrub, or you never see the gold there. Its not that he's a nut, just that he's not consistently intense. that sometimes he looks sluggish. That I wonder about his bball I.Q. But then he puts together a game where he for a night he wipes away those concerns and dominates action. I could not in good conscience advocate grabbing Griffin as THE answer and clearing out the frontcourt for him or whatnot. But I certianly do advocate trying to pick him up as a reserve or platoon starter. He's useful as is. And if he ever figures it out consistently he still could be a stud. Still only 23. About the same age as Cisco or Martin. Still time.
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Here are some lines as well:

30 points, 19 boards on 12-16 shooting against the Kings
27 points, 11 boards on 10-14 shooting against the Hawks the next game.

Who do those belong to? Kwame Brown.

The guys who figure it out usually figure it out a few years in. Griffin doesn't get it and doesn't really show signs of getting it.

If someone is shooting 35% from the field and still chucking the ball up at a high rate it doesn't matter how good they are at rebounding and blocking shots because they're giving it right back to the other team at an alarming rate. He's shot less than 40% for his career and still averages 8 shots a game.

Griffin has the capacity to be the best shotblocker on the team, but he has a slight build and he's not really going to be effective matching up one on one in the post. With the perimeter mostly shored up with Martin and Artest I really think the Kings need a strong one-on-one post defender who can guard the best 4/5. Griffin can slide over and block shots, but he's a lost cause against good power forwards and centers. Not to mention the horrendous offense.
 
Kings113 said:
Nice post Brick, agreed!

Griffin's troubles are in the past, indeed. He's been fine, ever since 2004. Bonzi's been fine since he got out of Portland, the deal in Memphis was hyped up by the media when it was really nothing.

Griffin hasn't blown it, he was playing well in Minnesota (not just the first 2 1/2 months of the season) till he was benched and has had his minutes cut significantly, for the offense of Mark Blount. Which overall (since his shot has been lost for most the season), the Wolves needed.
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Only in sports could someone say, yeah, he's been fine since 2004, no worries. If someone I knew beat his girlfriend's face in and shot at her I don't think I'd say two years later, "You know what, I love that guy, I really think he's turned a corner."

And you don't get benched for playing well, kings113, you know that.
 
....k.

I simply meant he's been out of trouble and quiet in the media since then (2004), didn't say the guy is a fantastic person. He's obviously gotten a second chance, and I'd say he's at least matured to a degree.

He got benched because the team needed offense, they were lacking it a whole lot, that's why the trade was made. Eddie hasn't had his offense on the season.
 
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Ha, indeed, forgot about reading that... well, good to hear he'll get his vision fixed.

After a solid October, Griffin slipped into the reserve role he held in 2004-05 and averaged 4.5 points, 6.1 rebounds and 2.20 blocked shots as the team went 13-12. On Dec. 28, the 23-year-old natural forward took over from Michael Olowokandi as the Wolves' starting center. That night, he scored 22 points with 12 rebounds and, over 21 starts, averaged 6.3 points, 6.3 rebounds and 2.48 blocks.

But Minnesota was 8-13 in that stretch and Griffin's production, despite a 30 percent bump in minutes, changed only slightly. But on Feb. 6 at Phoenix, Griffin never took off his warm-ups. Since then, he has played a total of 46 minutes, sitting out seven of 10 games before a 10-minute stint Sunday against Golden State.
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Seemed like a desperation move to me. Griffin isn't a regular starting center.

And now? Much as guard Marko Jaric has worked himself back into the rotation lately, Griffin has caught Casey's eye again in practices and with his play Sunday (four points, four boards, two blocks).

"Eddie had a nice week," the coach said. "Again, I don't have a doghouse. There's no such thing. If you want to play and work your way in, I'm going to play whoever is going to help the Timberwolves win. Doesn't matter who he is, how many years he's got in the league ... it's a democracy."
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We'll see ;). Hopefully he can get back to it.
 
"Eddie gets here early, he stays late, he works with [assistant] Bob Thornton a lot," teammate Mark Madsen said. "Coming in, practicing hard, never complaining. Nothing [bad] off the court. I don't think Eddie's ever been late." - Mini news

He works hard... HE has gotten better in Mini... and honestly I want to bring every single problem case to sacramento... (not all at once tho lol) and prove that Sac is the place to revitalize a career. I bet we could bring LAtrell SPreewell in and he will open up a day care center where he reads books of inner peace. hehe Sacramento is such a wonderful organization, it chages people (Webber, Bonzi, Artest)

Griffin isnt that small... and he hasnt been in the league for 6 yrs... this is his 4th. and he is only 23! 24 in may. THe guy has tremendous upside. he came in so young.

I thin kwe shiuld offer Mini corlis's expring contract... they need it, and we need him. IT would work out great.
 
Sacramento Kings

Incoming Players
Eddie Griffin
Salary: $2,500,000 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 4.7 REB: 5.7 AST: 0.5 PER: 13.34


Outgoing Players: Sergei Monia, Jason HartMinnesota Timberwolves

Incoming Players
Sergei Monia
Salary: $1,016,400 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 3.2 REB: 2.1 AST: 0.8 PER: 6.49

Jason Hart
Salary: $1,540,000 Years Remaining: 0
PTS: 3.3 REB: 1.1 AST: 1.0 PER: 6.54


Outgoing Players: Eddie Griffin


Cap relif and a young project for a rebuilding mini...

Waht u think
 
Gilles said:
Doug Christie? He was a scorer in Toronto, he broke Damon Stoudamire franchise points-record(which wasn't that high but still) and hold it before emergence of Vince. But then was able to adjust to a diminished offensive role.
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He wasn't a scorer in Toronto. He was a guy who had to score because they didn't have a star. He did was role players are supposed to do, step it up. Current ex: Gerald Wallace

Jeff Hornacek? He was a third-best player (no match for first two but also light years ahead of other guys on that team) on a team that crossed 60-win mark quite a few times.
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Role player.

Udonis Haslem? 30-min guy. But having Shaq(and Zo as his backup) and Wade allows you to have a lot of freedom with rotations.
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You just defined the term "role player."


Any ideas? I mean real ideas.
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Kendrick Perkins, Nazr Mohammad, Steven Hunter, Antonio Davis, Pryzbilla to name a few. They're all possibilities.

Tell me where I ruled him out as an idea. I just said that he's not going to catapult us to any kind of contendership.

Two reasons why I'm ending this conversation now.

1. It's obvious that you're a stat studyer and not a game watcher
2. You don't know the difference between "role player" and "bench player."
3. You don't seem to get the point of any of my discussion. I'm thinking that it's a possibility that my basketball IQ is a little more developed than yours. For the record, I happen to think that my basketball iq is fairly low compared to others on this board and others.

So good day to you.
 
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I disagree on Pryzbilla, while he's a beast, he'll have too high of value. The MLE likely won't cut it, would probably have to do a S&T. Plus, in the signing case, I'm not sure how a Brad/Pryzbilla front-court would be, unless one of them came off the bench...

Agreed on Mohammed/Perkins though.
 
Wilcox is a free agent next season if he can play like he has been for Seattle it would be worth it. maybe we will get lucky in the draft. I would actually like to see Sampson get the min over Potempeko. Sampson has shown me he can block a shot and rebound and on offense he wasn't antsy to score he was actully running the offense as much as you can with the rest of the bench in.
 
Wilcox will be an RFA though, and Seattle really wants to keep him, along with Wilcox liking Seattle.

Agreed on Sampson, even before with us, he's shown he's a good shot-blocker and rebounder while in Charlotte. Athletic too.
 
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Like I said earlier...on paper looks like a doctor order situation. Its just that...somehow there is less there than meets the eye as despite the numbers coaches have not been able to find a consistent spot for him. Still, worst case scenario you have a young shotblocking/rebounding big on the bench. Let alone the best case scenario of him starting to put it together and becoming 10pts 10rebs 4blks like a smaller Camby or whatnot.
 
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Looks like his settings are switched back to "Crazy." J/k...kinda.

THE NEWS
Timberwolves forward Eddie Griffin was cited by police on Thursday after he didn't have a driver's license to show following a traffic accident. Police cited Griffin for not having a license and for inattentive driving and then released him, according to the Minneapolis Star Tribune.
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MrBiggs said:
Looks like his settings are switched back to "Crazy." J/k...kinda.
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Not sure not having a driver's license on him quite qualifies as punching out teammates/firing off firearms crazy. ;)
 
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DocHolliday said:
No one could have as bad of a rap as Artest did, and he's fitting in just fine. We are the Sacramento Therapy Kings.
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Our success with headcases is impressive, but one worries that Petrie is playing Jenga with our team's chemistry sometimes.
 
hmmm. With Garnett wanting out or wanting better players around him. I wonder if Bonzi would agree on a S&T for Eddie Griffin
 
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hmmm. With Garnett wanting out or wanting better players around him. I wonder if Bonzi would agree on a S&T for Eddie Griffin
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Eddie only makes 2.7 next season. So a sign and trade wouldnt be effective because Bonzi will want more than 2.7. Our best best is use salarie cap relief options on mini
 
I'm all for signing Eddie Griffin since he's got a cheap contract and he already brings with him some defensive ability. It's obvious Adelman and the rest in Sactown have to sign guys who are already good defensively since they haven't been able to make any player better defensively. My only concern is that Adelman won't play Griffin because he can't shoot. I think one of the main reasons (along with injuries to other players) he gives minutes to Martin and Garcia is because they make 3s in practice. Sacramento had an athletic freak in Gerald Wallace who couldn't make free throws, but his other abilities warranted him getting more minutes. Unfortunately he didn't get much of a chance and is now putting up some impressive stats defensively & offensively with Charlotte.
 
King4Life said:
I'm all for signing Eddie Griffin since he's got a cheap contract and he already brings with him some defensive ability. It's obvious Adelman and the rest in Sactown have to sign guys who are already good defensively since they haven't been able to make any player better defensively. My only concern is that Adelman won't play Griffin because he can't shoot. I think one of the main reasons (along with injuries to other players) he gives minutes to Martin and Garcia is because they make 3s in practice. Sacramento had an athletic freak in Gerald Wallace who couldn't make free throws, but his other abilities warranted him getting more minutes. Unfortunately he didn't get much of a chance and is now putting up some impressive stats defensively & offensively with Charlotte.
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actually griffin was an offensive minded player in hou. He can definatly shoot. actually he is labled SF/PF on some sites. So i wouldnt worry about that, he is an amazing shot blocker. My concern with him is that he wont like the idea of NOT getting to shoot alot becase i know he wants to shoot.

Totally agree on GW... man.... so sad so sad. but we would have never known becase he was behind a 6'10 weeny who happened to shoot good sometimes.... man! i always loved him
 
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