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So much easier to stomach Zubac at 2/40.5 vs Sabonis 2/94Zubac trade might’ve relit the Domas trade market with less than an hour to go
So much easier to stomach Zubac at 2/40.5 vs Sabonis 2/94Zubac trade might’ve relit the Domas trade market with less than an hour to go
Agreed. Domas probably returns what Zubac does or maybe more if he’s making $20M.So much easier to stomach Zubac at 2/40.5 vs Sabonis 2/94
oh wow, bold prediction at 12:00pm.
Really can’t disagree with this. Something tells me the org is going hybrid rebuild after hopefully landing a top 3 pick. Everyone knows DDR and Westbrook and Lavine can’t be part of this going forward, but stuck with Lavine, but Domas does have to go in the Summer. He’s going to keep this team in the play in race and no more. Need a couple of years at least to hit it out of the park in the draft. Domas needs to be on a team that thinks it can make a playoff run.Came across a KC clip yesterday and while I don't often agree with him, was hard to not agree here.
He was ripping into Perry about the direction. This is the same Kings BS we've dealt with for years.
Do you want to rebuild? Sell Sabonis
Do you want to try and get better? Go buy players.
But doing nothing is not a tactic. What we paid for Sabonis or Demar is a sunk cost. We all seemed to understand that when it came to selling Keon to dump Schroder. But when it comes to Demar/Sabonis we can't grasp that?
Look at the cap space teams this summer. The amount of teams are shrinking, and the want for a player like Sabonis who doesn't defend the rim and can't get his own in crunch time (making 45+ a year) is not going to change.
I appreciate Sabonis, but the time to move off him was yesterday. The time to pick a direction was 1 year ago when we moved Fox. But we all know where this is going with Hunter and refusing to sell. Pray for Peterson, cut the tank short, and back to the play-ins until Peterson leaves in 5-6 years.
If what they were offered at the deadline wasn't enough, I don't think its going to change in the summer.. Teams are desperate now, in the summer they move to the draft/Free Agency.Really can’t disagree with this. Something tells me the org is going hybrid rebuild after hopefully landing a top 3 pick. Everyone knows DDR and Westbrook and Lavine can’t be part of this going forward, but stuck with Lavine, but Domas does have to go in the Summer. He’s going to keep this team in the play in race and no more. Need a couple of years at least to hit it out of the park in the draft. Domas needs to be on a team that thinks it can make a playoff run.
I really think teams are looking at that contract and just aren’t buying he can lead them to a deep playoff run.
If what they were offered at the deadline wasn't enough, I don't think its going to change in the summer.. Teams are desperate now, in the summer they move to the draft/Free Agency.
I'm now fully convinced the plan is going to be get a top 5 pick, and go for it next year. They are going to pray for Peterson, but be happy with Kingston Flemming or Mikel Brown Jr when we inevitably aren't in the top 3. Maybe Demar is gone due to cap reasons, Hunter will get an extension. Next year we will be sold -
Flemming/The next FA Schroder
LaVine/Monk
Hunter/Nique
Keegan/Cardwell
Sabonis/Maxime
And they will say look kings fans, explosive young PG, shooters around Sabonis, a real forward with Keegan, a younger bench with fan favorite Monk still around. We don't need a multi year tank, we already had the pieces! Upgraded beam team! And we will have another 35 win season while Vivek raises season tickets prices another 12%. rinse and repeat. Wish I wasn't so pessimistic but we've seen this too many times as kings fans.
I don't get the urgency to move LaVine. He's trash but hes not hurting the tank, hes helping it. And he expires next year, we should be thinking of buying him out by this time next year.James Ham said the Kings were going to have to use draft capital to move their players with big contracts. If true, I’d rather wait for LaVine’s deal to expire or use his expiring deal in another trade this summer
I would have blocked the number, just on principle.
Yeah. Glad Perry’s not dumb enough to take that
If what they were offered at the deadline wasn't enough, I don't think its going to change in the summer.. Teams are desperate now, in the summer they move to the draft/Free Agency.
I'm now fully convinced the plan is going to be get a top 5 pick, and go for it next year. They are going to pray for Peterson, but be happy with Kingston Flemming or Mikel Brown Jr when we inevitably aren't in the top 3. Maybe Demar is gone due to cap reasons, Hunter will get an extension. Next year we will be sold -
Flemming/The next FA Schroder
LaVine/Monk
Hunter/Nique
Keegan/Cardwell
Sabonis/Maxime
And they will say look kings fans, explosive young PG, shooters around Sabonis, a real forward with Keegan, a younger bench with fan favorite Monk still around. We don't need a multi year tank, we already had the pieces! Upgraded beam team! And we will have another 35 win season while Vivek raises season tickets prices another 12%. rinse and repeat. Wish I wasn't so pessimistic but we've seen this too many times as kings fans.
While I think the Zubac trade was a gross overpay he does hold more value than Sabonis despite being less talented due to his size and skill set, Barrett level player (I would prefer someone else) and a unprotected first is worth it for Sabonis he's been exposed badly in the playoffs /play in to be worth more.If Kings get Barrett a 1st and shave some salary that is a decent haul for Domas. Kings fans severely overrate Domas and his value.
I don't get the urgency to move LaVine. He's trash but hes not hurting the tank, hes helping it. And he expires next year, we should be thinking of buying him out by this time next year.
But who else needed picks to move? Demar? Just buy him out, sunk cost not worth picks for 10 million cap hit next year.
Sabonis? Reports we got offered expiring + pick from Washington and Toronto was offering Barrett + 2nds. So that can't be right.
Monk? Again not sure whats the rush. hes a fan favorite, keep him till next deadline and with 1 year left hes easier if we want to move him.
Ham also said the Toronto deal was still very much alive. Not sure hes much of a source anymore.
The 2 biggest other contracts are Hunter/Keegan who we don't want to move. So
I'm interested in knowing how many barf bags Scott utilized when he received this offer/proposal.
Yeah. Glad Perry’s not dumb enough to take that
Sorta? Depends if they re-up Hunter or not.
You should be happy though, they got off the Keon decision and cleaned the last year of the Dennis contract. So all of a sudden, all we have in 27 is Keegan/Domas/Monk and the rookies on the books. WIth $85 mil in expirings after next season (LaVine/DDR $10 mil buy-out/Hunter)
The dust has settled, IMO this was nothing more than a panic move.All Dennis was guaranteed in 2027 is $4.3 million. If they re-up Hunter he's going to cost a lot more than that. If they don't re-up Hunter, we just traded one of our best young players and a future second round pick to save $4 million in cap space for 2027 which is highly unlikely to even matter since, as you point out, there's another $80 million worth in cap space already coming that same summer.
So, the trade watch is over.
Now, we need to see where we stand.
I was never in favor of dumping Domas or tanking.
I am FOR building around Domas, but not extending him unless he realizes that as he enters his non-peak years, he should be paid around 30 mil per on his next deal.
This trade deadline must have been a wake-up call for Domas.
But, if he is fine staying, then I am happy he is staying (so long as he mentors Max and Dylan).
This should finally be "Sabonis' Team".
Anyone else good with that? Or are people still "all for tanking" (and dumping Sabonis for whatever picks can be had)
I'm open for trading Sabonis if the price is right but I'm also open to keeping him since he's a great player that makes everyone around him better (on offense at least).
Either way the team needs to tank next year as well. We aren't going to make any noise with a top 5 pick, Sabonis and a bunch of average to below average role players players.
This is the exact kind of short cut weve taken for years and leads nowhere. Im shocked so many kings fans still push this.not sure how you are grading here, but i put monk and keegan just below sabonis (and our #1 pick - because THIS time we HAVE to get a generational talent who steps right in and leads the team - similar to what flagg and knueppel are doing this year), but certainly well above "average to below average", That's a good four to start with, considering you are stuck with lavine at best. and if westbrook is willing to play for the minimum, well, there may be guys with more potential, but he's still pretty darn good. and the four young guys, well, if just one or two pan out, we're ok.
given the hole we've dug, i am fine with playing the rest of this season to maximize our draft chances (which means tanking)..
but that's it. next year (and others) i play to win, starting with a roster of:
Guards: Devin, Malik, Zach, Nique, (Russ as a fifth guard only, McDermott can still be sixth)
Forwards: Keegan, De'Andre, Precious,, Deaqwon, and, (if we are are stuck with DeMar, well...)
Bigs: Domas, Max, Dylan, Drew
and then there are the picks
so, your top ten-eleven are
Devin (or #1/2 pick)/Malik
Zach/Nique
Keegan/(or a number 1/2 pick)
De'Andre/Precious
Domas/Max/Dylan
bench: some combo of McDermott, Russ, DeMar, Deaqwon, Drew and picks, signings
not sure how you are grading here, but i put monk and keegan just below sabonis (and our #1 pick - because THIS time we HAVE to get a generational talent who steps right in and leads the team - similar to what flagg and knueppel are doing this year), but certainly well above "average to below average", That's a good four to start with, considering you are stuck with lavine at best. and if westbrook is willing to play for the minimum, well, there may be guys with more potential, but he's still pretty darn good. and the four young guys, well, if just one or two pan out, we're ok.
given the hole we've dug, i am fine with playing the rest of this season to maximize our draft chances (which means tanking)..
but that's it. next year (and others) i play to win, starting with a roster of:
Guards: Devin, Malik, Zach, Nique, (Russ as a fifth guard only, McDermott can still be sixth)
Forwards: Keegan, De'Andre, Precious,, Deaqwon, and, (if we are are stuck with DeMar, well...)
Bigs: Domas, Max, Dylan, Drew
and then there are the picks
so, your top ten-eleven are
Devin (or #1/2 pick)/Malik
Zach/Nique
Keegan/(or a number 1/2 pick)
De'Andre/Precious
Domas/Max/Dylan
bench: some combo of McDermott, Russ, DeMar, Deaqwon, Drew and picks, signings
We aren't going to go from the worst team in the league to a playoff team by merely adding one rookie.
The Kings attempted this method for years with Cousins and it never panned out.
i would disagree on cousins,,, the year george karl started coaching the kings (the year after he "finished the previous season"), there were new faces - primarily rajon rondo... then there was the game in mexico and rondo's rift with a ref and subsequent suspension, which was distracting.
eventually, that team came together and at the end of January, they won six straight to be the hottest team in the league.
but brandon was working to undermine george and vlade let him do it. the team fell apart and both george and brandon were let go at the end of the season. but that season could have been a playoff year, if not for the distractions.
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"We aren't going to go from the worst team in the league to a playoff team by merely adding one rookie."
No, we are going to the playoffs because the starting five (primarily keegan and domas) will actually PLAY TOGETHER
Plus, we bring in Hunter to play next to Keegan
Plus we have four young players who all improve (Dylan, Max, Devin and Nique)
Monk stays (unfortunately, zach stays also)
Plus, if you bring in a lottery stud, do you REALLY want him to start his career tanking?