SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
The reality is unfortunately that flexibility is > than Domas at this point.
[Rumor] Domas trade watch 2026
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The reality is unfortunately that flexibility is > than Domas at this point.
BuddyBuckets
Bench
Trying to understand this.
Amick says Kings not taking Poeltl under any circumstance
Haynes says hold up is a 1st instead of a 2nd
So basically whats being offered is
Kings out: Sabonis
Kings in: barrett, Ochai, 2nds
Toronto out: Barrett, Poeltl, Ochai, 1sts, 2nds
Toronto in: Sabonis
3rd team (Memphis?) In: Poeltl, 2 1sts
3rd team out: Nothing?
So Kings want those 2nds to be a 1st? I swear if we end up saving money + getting no bad long term contracts + getting a 1st.. I will forgive Perry for f'ing up Keon. This would be a home run for Sac. Opens up a ton of flexibility and gets an extra 1st.
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
Don’t we already have flexibility? 100 mil is coming off the books next year between Lavine/Deebo//Hunter.
I'm just going to assume Poetl isn't a part of this
-edit, fortunately that looks the case.
I don't mind RJ and some enders and some 2nds, but Domas doesn't deserve to stick through our needed tanking process. Perry seems to believe in Barrett and we have some youth ready to go
Joshyjosh31
Starter
I’m not giving someone credit for not trading there best player for Barrett, IQ, and two second round picks
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Yeah, but the fact is the Kings still have big and some bad money on the books. Monk, Domas, and Keegan alone make up more than 50% of their cap in a year where they'll have space. Not ideal considering that means bleeding all talent around them.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Yep, people think RJ is a nothing burger, but he's really not. There is talent and productivity there. The thing is if the Kings can't get value in terms of a superstar package, having a brief and not long term damaging side step if it involves actual talent isn't the worst thing. RJ, Hunter, and Keegan is at worst interesting.
Dime Dropper
All-Star
I have zero interest in Barrett. Another injury prone scorer who doesn't contribute to winning. The exact prototype of player the Kings have been fixated on and never learn from.
Sabonis should be commanding two firsts and if they're offering less than that, keep him. I'm fed up with the Kings getting bent over a barrell by every team in the league. Screw them, keep him at this point.
Sabonis should be commanding two firsts and if they're offering less than that, keep him. I'm fed up with the Kings getting bent over a barrell by every team in the league. Screw them, keep him at this point.
serbiangoat
Starter
I know Poetl is overpaid but he's exactly the type of big man the Kings need to help the young players plus he's massive and can defend the rim/paint. Who better for Max and Caldwell to learn from. With the Kings getting Hunter I rather Quickly and Poetl for Sabonis.
Capt's laid out his argument extremely well. And NBA consensus, especially among "analysts" is generally extremely wrong all the time. There's still incredibly flawed thinking among NBA FO's, even with the data we have available at our finger-tips now.
The Haynes deal is a complete joke. You absolutely keep him and tell the league to **** off. Kings need to stop being the little brother to the league and just bleeding talent over and over again. We've done it with literally every talented player we've had over the last 20 years
alden.viado
G-League
Who better to learn from?
Is rather learn from Domas than Poetl
Light it up
G-League
Is IQ involved? I thought it was Barrett and some fillers. I'm ok with Barrett and filler as long as we get a FRP too. Save a bit of money, draft capital, and a scorer in Barrett. But I'm also higher on Barrett than most here. He can score at will a variety of ways, is great moving off ball, can rebound and pass well, and is underrated as a defender imo.
I think this deal is happening one way or another if their 2026 FRP isn't coming our way I am going to scream though. I wish they wouldn't be so uptight about Poetl and ask for even more picks. If the concern is him not playing at all and can get two FRP for taking on IQ there are worse things we could do there as well. Russ will be gone soon. It's slightly larger annual commitment but gets done a year sooner. Won't be in the way even if we wind up drafting a PG over him.
I remember a few years ago half the board wanted Poetl now we won't take him in for FRPs.
If (as stated by media reports likely full of garbage) Toronto is considering giving up "too much first round draft compensation" (which seems to mean "multiple picks") to get rid of the Poeltl contract, but only willing to give up second round draft picks to acquire Sabonis...we should just completely stop negotiating with them whatsoever as they're clearly insane.
Sigh. Poeltl for picks is exactly what we should be doing. We are going to be bad, fill the cap space with guys that get us future draft capital.
Cap space in 27 does nothing... or it'll be used precisely for moves like this to take on a bad contract for picks
Team never ****ing learns
Dime Dropper
All-Star
Poetl was a good player before his back disintegrated. He can't stay healthy and when he has, he hasn't been the same player. I would be surprised if he ever plays regularly again.
That said, I'd take his contract if it meant multiple firsts.
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
The post says that Toronto is the one pausing because they don’t want to give up multiple firsts.
Agree that cap space in 2027 does nothing for us in free agency. But Poetel's contract runs through 29-30!!! That is an insanely long time to take on $27M per year. And Toronto is likely a top 6 team in the East, so you would be agreeing to lock up $27M of your cap for the next 4 years, for the price of getting 2 draft picks in the low 20s. So is taking on that contract (and diminishing the opportunity cost to use that cap space to sign players, trade for players, or take on other bad contracts) worth the value of two Nique Clifford level prospects spread out over the next several years? I don't think that is a no-brainer "yes."
But that's because the Kings are refusing to take in Poetl but still want a first, so Toronto is looking to still move Poetl which would require compensation to the third team.
Joshyjosh31
Starter
I’m assuming he’s involved salary wise..
says a third team to take Poetl we won’t be getting the first’s hell we might throw in draft picks to the third team like the ellis trade
TaxMan
Starter
Exactly... either you pay more draft capital to the kings to take Poetel's contract or they find a third team willing to take a so-so return for that contract. As much as I'd like to see the page turned on this whole history of Kings basketball, just seems dumb to take a contract that runs significantly longer than Domas for peanuts. Barrett is intriguing but not worth absorbing that contract. Better to (worst case) let Domas expire in a couple years.... or maybe even extend him on a reasonable contract to be a solid starter on our next decent team.
ShastaKingsFan
Hall of Famer
I'd bet that Ranadive is holding this up and isn't willing to bring in a new expensive player who can't play
TaxMan
Starter
I have a lot of complaints about Vivek, but I've never gotten the sense he's cheap or not willing to spend on salaries. I think it has everything to do with insufficient assets coming back for Poetel's contract (and if that's Vivek's doing, he might finally have something right.)
I believe theres a buy-out on Poeltls last year if he doesn't meet the minute requirement. So its still bad, but if he's as broken as everyone says he is, its 1 less year on the deal.
And to me, point remains the same. The Kings should be using their cap space for draft capital right now. We are supposedly headed for a multi year rebuild. So while I wouldn't want Poeltl if I were trying to field a competitive team in the next 2 years... we aren't.
Asset accumulation is the name of the game.
BuddyBuckets
Bench
Yes but what is the opportunity cost of that space. If I was running the team, next year i'm making these kinds of deals. Get Barrett/Ochai no picks. Next year you have
LaVine, Barrett, Hunter on massive expirings.
Now you look at trading those exprings for 2 year contracts who aren't nearly damaging as Poeltl.
The risks I want to take are like what Chicago did with us last year with Huerter. Where 12 months later they were able to flip expiring Huerter for a profit. OKC did that a ton back in the day with CP3, Horford, etc..
Poeltl is just dead money for the next 4 years with zero chance of ever recovering. Hes a boat anchor.
I'm all for eating bad money, but there are better ways that allow us to get paid better doing so, and maintain some upside down the line.
I just want to know whats the upside of 2026/2028 toronto 1sts? 2026 is going to be in that 23-26 range. And 2028 doesn't look any better. I think we can find better ways to use that cap space over the next 3 years IMO.
If he also just can't play they can get him to take a medical retirement and get cap relief even though they (or insurance) pays out the contract. It's worth the gamble.
Well, that's comforting.
I think Toronto just has to look themselves in the mirror and realize that they royally screwed up their cap sheet for the next several years by making bad decisions and if they want somebody to come rescue them it's going to cost a ton. They can't cheap out of it. Sorry.