Does Petrie Still Have It?...

[Bricklayer]

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That doesn't have anything to do with per48's?

Use anybody's per 48's, from Kobe to some pine rider, and their stats usually look better.

Uh..no.

And that's not even a good attempt at misdirection.

You've got two choices:

1) rate guys on per game averages -- well, gee Chandler ws only #2 in the entire league

2) uhoh, better come up with something else, so turns out ANYBODY could do it given the minutes. Er...no. Last year basically NOBODY did it given the minutes as well as Chandler.

So at the point that Chandler damn near tops the list per game, and damn near tops the list per minute, what else ya got? Total rebounds on the season? Chandler was 3rd (to KG and Howard). Anything else? Or shal we at some point just cut to the chase that you don't like him for whatever reason and seem bound and determined not to give him credit here.

As an aside, he got better as the year went along too, and averaged a monstrous 13.2pts and 16.1rebs in Feb.

 

[ezekielbear]

I admit I'm being a little picky here, but "average" and "typical" are contradicted by "freak."

He's an athletic freak...much like Gerald Wallace, Dalembert, Tyrus Thomas, etc...

But your "typical" and "average" NBA Center...

Better?

 

[Jerryaki]

...??

That doesn't have anything to do with per48's?

Use anybody's per 48's, from Kobe to some pine rider, and their stats usually look better.

you said justin william's numbers would be comparable to chandlers if he were given more time. what do you think the per 48 stats mean????

the bolded section is your own contradiction. so thanks for playing!

 

[ezekielbear]

Uh..no.

And that's not even a good attempt at misdirection.

You've got two choices:

1) rate guys on per game averages -- well, gee Chandler ws only #2 in the entire league

2) uhoh, better come up with something else, so turns out ANYBODY could do it given the minutes. Er...no. Last year basically NOBODY did it given the minutes as well as Chandler.

So at the point that Chandler damn near tops the list per game, and damn near tops the list per minute, what else ya got? Total rebounds on the season? Chandler was 3rd (to KG and Howard). Anything else? Or shal we at some point just cut to the chase that you don't like him and are still living off of last year's scouting report that maybe he was going to be a bust?

As an aside, he got better as the year went along too, and averaged a monstrous 13.2pts and 16.1rebs in Feb.

I don't care for him either way. You're the one putting words in mouths. Why would I dislike him? No reason. I guess everybody must agree with you though, or they're wrong?

Per 48's are no way to judge a player IMO.

I never said he wasn't a good rebounder...I said he was. The other parts of his game aren't that impressive. He has a limited offensive game, and that's being nice. His man to man defense is blah...he's good on the weakside, but most centers with any type of athletic skill are...so that's nothing special.

Other then his rebounding, what is so wonderful? Not much, IMO. Especially not for 65 million dollars.

Fact remains, these are the best players in the world and when given time, most guys can put up similar stats.

You give a guy 20 shots every game and treat him as a #1 player, guess what, he'll most likely score 20+ points, be that Kobe Bryant, Ronnie Price, or Dee Brown. Of course, Kobe will do it at a better and more efficent clip then Ronnie, etc etc...doesn't change the fact of their ability to do so however.

 

[ezekielbear]

you said justin william's numbers would be comparable to chandlers if he were given more time. what do you think the per 48 stats mean????

the bolded section is your own contradiction. so thanks for playing!

Justin Williams put up 19 points a game on 61% per 48...

Little skewed?

There is a difference between using per 48 and being knowledgable enough to understand what a guy would do on the floor in a different situation.

I never said one thing about Justin's per 48.

Just that he would put up similar stats as Tyson if in his situation/time on court.

Two different things.

 

[Jerryaki]

Per 48's are no way to judge a player IMO.

yes, they are, because they put everyone's productivity into a comparable unit, i.e. as a rate. whether you're doing it as a per 48 or a a per minute, it's how you can compare apples to apples.

 

[Jerryaki]

Justin Williams put up 19 points a game on 61% per 48...

Little skewed?

There is a difference between using per 48 and being knowledgable enough to understand what a guy would do on the floor in a different situation.

jeebus christ man, of course it's skewed, YOU'RE THE ONE WHO SAID JUSTIN WILLIAMS CAN PUT UP THOSE NUMBERS GIVEN CHANDLER'S MINUTES.

 

[VF21]

I guess everybody must agree with you though, or they're wrong?

Totally inappropriate, ezekiel. You can disagree without being disagreeable. Looks like you're just upset because Bricklayer was able to prove his case much better than you could prove yours.

 

[Bricklayer]

Well I am relieved to know that all players are basically equal, that anybody can put up numbers given the minutes, and that Ronnie Price could be our Kobe. And here I was worried about my team's future.

As an aside, per 48s are the BEST way to compare players, so long as the 2nd step of saying that a small minute guy can definitely keep it up big minutes is not taken. People who dislike them typically do so because they don't like what they reveal. Between two starting players, or two similar role reserves, there is no better way to compare them.

Yet here you are simultaneously arguing agsint per 48s because you don't like Chandler up on toip of the list, and coming right back and committing the grandest per48 fallacy there is projecting a limited minute reserve out and saying he (or anybody) could do what Chandler did this season given big minutes. Nobody did mind you. But they all probably could have if their stupid coaches has just let them.

 

[ezekielbear]

Totally inappropriate, ezekiel. You can disagree without being disagreeable. Looks like you're just upset because Bricklayer was able to prove his case much better than you could prove yours.

LOL, what am I upset about? I was told "I didn't like somebody so thats why I have my view on them"...

Say what?

Brick can have his view...he's totally right to and has valid points.

Never said he didn't. I don't agree with a lot of what he said, but, that's cool. Don't really like having words put in my mouth however.

But I can't have mine without words being put in my mouth?

 

[ezekielbear]

jeebus christ man, of course it's skewed, YOU'RE THE ONE WHO SAID JUSTIN WILLIAMS CAN PUT UP THOSE NUMBERS GIVEN CHANDLER'S MINUTES.

He can, IMO.

But, that is different then Per48's.

I don't think he's putting up anything close to 20 points a game and 15 boards. That would be per 48.

I think he can put up 14 and 10 or so given Chandlers court time...

 

[VF21]

LOL, what am I upset about? I was told "I didn't like somebody so thats why I have my view on them"...

Say what?

Brick can have his view...he's totally right to and has valid points.

Never said he didn't. I don't agree with a lot of what he said, but, that's cool. Don't really like having words put in my mouth however.

But I can't have mine without words being put in my mouth?

This is pointless and pretty much totally derailing a good thread. I think you're making much ado about nothing and that's my "professional" opinion as a long-time moderator. Having said that, I'm outta this. It's really way too much drama for me.

 

[GoGoGadget]

I never said he wasn't a good rebounder...I said he was. The other parts of his game aren't that impressive. He has a limited offensive game, and that's being nice. His man to man defense is blah...he's good on the weakside, but most centers with any type of athletic skill are...so that's nothing special.

Other then his rebounding, what is so wonderful? Not much, IMO. Especially not for 65 million dollars.

Let's forget the per 48 pissing match for a moment...

What is so wonderful other than his rebounding? Who cares? His rebounding is what we needed last summer.

Above all else, when it was still looking like Bonzi may come back, the one thing we absolutely needed if we were going to have any hope of building on our playoff run was youth/athleticism/rebounding/shotblocking on our front line. That was the one thing. Not offense. Not pretty jumpers. Rebounding.

It was there, available, and someone else got it.

Now, granted, there may not have been any possibility of working a deal for Chandler, specifically, but he's the type of player that we needed and we didn't seem to address that deficiency with anyone.

 

[ezekielbear]

I never said the Kings didn't need him tho.

IMO, I'd think twice due to the contract...but I never said we didn't need him or he wouldn't make us better.

I just think we have a player like him if given time for 64 million dollars less.

 

[nbrans]

Let's forget the per 48 pissing match for a moment...

What is so wonderful other than his rebounding? Who cares? His rebounding is what we needed last summer.

Above all else, when it was still looking like Bonzi may come back, the one thing we absolutely needed if we were going to have any hope of building on our playoff run was youth/athleticism/rebounding/shotblocking on our front line. That was the one thing. Not offense. Not pretty jumpers. Rebounding.

It was there, available, and someone else got it.

Now, granted, there may not have been any possibility of working a deal for Chandler, specifically, but he's the type of player that we needed and we didn't seem to address that deficiency with anyone.

Also shotblocking and interior defense.

I would love to have Chandler, just put me in the camp that says getting him almost surely wasn't possible given the deal that ended up going down.