Do We Miss Carl Landry?

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Hells yeah. Landry is not a great defender. Not by any means. What Landry is is a scorer. On good efficiency. Landry is a mobile David West type forward that can hit the open and sometimes contested 16-18 ft jumper and has a myriad of ways to score athletically in the post. On defense, he is adequate to below average. His rotations are slow but his man defense and lateral quickness help him escape being putrid on this end. His wingspan is short, but he is athletic and a quick leaper. He's kinda like a lemur. It will be nice to get him back but it wont solve our problems. But we do miss him, in the most important way. We have forgotten about him. And yet he ain't going anywhere for a while.
 
I don't know. Who knows if Landry will be the decent scorer he was pre-injury once he returns? Let's say the injury has just made him an average scorer, add that to his poor defense, and we've really wasted a good amount of money on him.
 
I don't think scoring is an issue with this team. since we need defense I don't really miss him, but there are a bunch of ex kings that I do miss that might help us on the defensive end
 
When Landry was with us last time he was an extremely inefficient black hole on offense, a pee poor rebounder, and a nothing on D. He couldnt even beat out the much maligned JT for a starting spot, and he meshed horribly with Cousins. We do not miss that Carl Landry.

However our Coaches were friggin HORRIBLE during his tenure with us, so maybe he will do better under Malone. Landry's past season in GS was his best in years, but then again he may have been playing for a contract, and we were the suckers who ponied up.

Maybe early on, before we traded for Gay (and prior to IT's emergence as a legit option on offense) Landry's offense would have come in handy. Even now, our bench could use a major punch. So hey, maybe Landry will be what we needed. I have major doubts, but would love to end up eating crow.
 
He's a cure for nothing that ails us.

Its actually a little funny, while Malone knows him and wanted him, from a personnel standpoint not only have the holdover Kings all largely been rendered obsolete, but things have been moving so fast that you actually see guys that the new regime themselves picked up only 6 months ago looking like the roster/needs of the team may have passed them by too.,
 
Bricklayer said:
He's a cure for nothing that ails us.

Its actually a little funny, while Malone knows him and wanted him, from a personnel standpoint not only have the holdover Kings all largely been rendered obsolete, but things have been moving so fast that you actually see guys that the new regime themselves picked up only 6 months ago looking like the roster/needs of the team may have passed them by too.,
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The one guy that meshes well with offensively talented roster got sifted through and he would even cost a bit less than Landry. Maybe new regime thinks that Cousins can be an anchor as well. :rolleyes:
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
 
to answer the question posed by the thread title as simply as possible: "no."

to expound a bit, carl landry will bring some scoring life to a rather limp bench now that thomas is, for the moment, the kings' starting PG. but landry's eventual return will likely accomplish very little as far as the team's long term prospects in the win/loss column are concerned. he'll become hype and fodder for grant and jerry's pre-game and halftime routines, but he's hardly any kind of salve for the crippling problems that still exist up-and-down this roster...
 
The Kings need a new PG, a defensive minded pass first pg. IT ain't cutting it. Carl Landry and IT off the bench would be a good recipe, but as currently constructed we need to slow down the other team and IT is the biggest failing culprit.
 
Kingsguy881 said:
The Kings need a new PG, a defensive minded pass first pg. IT ain't cutting it. Carl Landry and IT off the bench would be a good recipe, but as currently constructed we need to slow down the other team and IT is the biggest failing culprit.
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this is a bit of a fantasy construction. there aren't many "defensively-minded pass first PG"s in the nba. however, the kings do need a starting-caliber PG who is at least competent on the more important side of the ball. it's simply not enough to say that "defense is a team effort," particularly given demarcus cousins' weaknesses as a relatively slow-footed, ground bound center. if the kings intend to go forward with cousins as their franchise cornerstone, then the first point of attack cannot bend-and-break as easily as it does with a starting backcourt of isaiah thomas and ben mclemore. for the moment, mac gets the young-and-dumb reprieve. there's time for his IQ and skills to catch up to his length and athleticism. but IT is compromised as a defender first by his diminutive size, then secondly by his offense-first mentality. his return to the bench is a certainty. the only question is whether his eventual replacement will come via midseason trade, the 2014 draft, or free agency...
 
Kingsguy881 said:
The Kings need a new PG, a defensive minded pass first pg. IT ain't cutting it. Carl Landry and IT off the bench would be a good recipe, but as currently constructed we need to slow down the other team and IT is the biggest failing culprit.
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Marcus Smart, might not be a pass first but his defense and leadership are out of this world.

IT, landry, and dwill is gonna be great bench when we fill out the team it will take some time this is Pete's first year here.
 
JLoss22 said:
Marcus Smart is not a PG
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kings fans really need to let go of their limited notion of what a PG "is" or "is not." marcus smart "is not a PG" in the same way that russell westbrook "is not a PG." considering smart's defensive pedigree and competitive drive, i'd hardly consider it a problem for a kings team that could use a physical defender with a winner's mentality at the starting PG position...
 
Sure, I mean - to an extent. I think he'll help. I really do.

If we are talking power forwards, or big men in general - he's the second best offensive big we have after Cousins. He'd be an upgrade over Acy, Outlaw, and Thompson when offense is needed. So while I would agree that he doesn't do anything to fix the current problems with this roster, I still think he can help this team.
 
IT will not stay with the Kings to be a bench player. I think he made that pretty evident....
 
randymoss1881 said:
When did he say that? He won't be here next year if he demands a starting spot and 8+mill per year
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IT really does seem like a safe bet. If you head into the offseason planning on bringing back IT on the cheap as a bench player...there's a huge huge chance that plan is going to blow up in your faces. What young guy is going to take $4mil or whatever to be a bench guy is some other team offers him $8 and a starting spot?

The IT situation is complicated greatly by the gap between his possibly ideal role and his ambitions, his pending free agency, and our big contracts next year already on the roster. its highly doubtful we have the money to pay for two major $8mil type PGs. So you get trapped. Forced to start IT. Or bench him for a cheap guy who may not be as good a player. Or try to sign him for cheap himself and lose him when someone offers more money. You are forced to make a choice, and its not impossible that trading him for a piece with a more locked in price could eventually be that choice.
 
Bricklayer said:
IT really does seem like a safe bet. If you head into the offseason planning on bringing back IT on the cheap as a bench player...there's a huge huge chance that plan is going to blow up in your faces. What young guy is going to take $4mil or whatever to be a bench guy is some other team offers him $8 and a starting spot?

The IT situation is complicated greatly by the gap between his possibly ideal role and his ambitions, his pending free agency, and our big contracts next year already on the roster. its highly doubtful we have the money to pay for two major $8mil type PGs. So you get trapped. Forced to start IT. Or bench him for a cheap guy who may not be as good a player. Or try to sign him for cheap himself and lose him when someone offers more money. You are forced to make a choice, and its not impossible that trading him for a piece with a more locked in price could eventually be that choice.
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This is why I think IT will be traded before the trade deadline. There will be a team out that that's desperate for a PG, that will offer him more than we're willing to pay. IT is the perfect off the bench type player, that you can also play in crunch time along with a taller defensive minded PG. Dante Exum springs to mind, but there are others out there. If through the draft, then we'd be able to afford paying IT more than normal to come off the bench. But your right, I doubt we can afford to pay two guys that play the same position big bucks along with Cousins, and potentially Gay.
 
Don't miss him because he hasn't had a chance to show me his stuff in the present setting. I am looking forward to seeing how helpful he can be.
 
I kind of prefer more what Acy brings more and he does it at fraction of the cost
 
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