N0tmyfault
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Poison is going to hate this. What will she harp on next? His community service?
DMC looking good
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Blob
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you and Ailene have a good night. Maybe catch a movie. I hear Paul Blart: Mall Cop 2 was good.
P.S. Dave Joerger's big men were Marc Gasol and Zach Randolph. Think about it.
Truth hurts, eh, Brick-man?
If I recall correctly your contention was Boogie did NOT need to lose weight or else he would sacrifice his size and strength advantage down low? I guess now you'll have to shift the goal posts or change the narrative or do whatever it is you do to be convinced of your correctness. I have a news flash for you: Boogie Cousins is a LOSER at the NBA level until he proves otherwise. That's the fact. And in order for him not to be a loser next year and henceforth, HE NEEDS TO CHANGE.....he needs to change physically and mentally and emotionally. (And get over 55% TS and assist to turnovers over 1.0) YOU are one the of the few fans who seem in denial about this. It is always someone else to blame not the guy with horrid turnover rate, foul rate, meddling offensive efficiency, sporadic defensive effort and sour disposition that makes everyone on the court just want to ignore him or less be ignored.
There's no denying his immense and extraordinary talent in fact I am the one who said the way you maximize a guy of his skill set is to give him a live dribble 15 feet from the basket and he will abuse most defenders. That happened most of the season and he posted career high numbers on an absolute basis. You don't see anything I don't see but what you don't see is the whole picture because if Boogie was who you think he is we would have competed for the 8th spot in spite of a geriatric head coach and black hole at SG in a a down year for the West.
Anyway the fact that Boogie dropped some pounds gives me hope he knows he needs to be better in transition and capable of exerting defense effort for 48 minutes.....his consistent defensive lapses and LAZINESS and horrid performance in December were overlooked and excused by you.....fans in the know know better.....your snarky comment only reveals lack of substance in defense of "a future HOF" who has more in common with Derrick Coleman at this point in his career than Hakeem Olajuwon. I don't care about the stats you want to post from basketball data dot com. Boogie does not make teammates better and teammates don't like playing with him. Until that changes 35 to 40 wins will be the cap on potential with him as the centerpiece.
P.S. I don't even like Voison. But I give credit where credit is due.
King Baller
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Boogie looks great and he is helping out in the community. What a great player! But he cannot lead the Kings to success alone. MJ could not do it and neither can DMC.
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They brew the Haterade really strong there in Houston, don't they?
Dime Dropper
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God, that was almost impressive. So much wrong n one single post. Completely oblivious to it too.
You can't just throw the "Hate" word out there when somebody posts something you don't like. What was it specifically that you disagreed with? Everything he said there was truth.
King Baller
All-Star
How about explaining why the Kings likelihood of winning a ball game increases by several magnitudes when DMC is playing?
Or how about explaining the Kings ineptness prior to Cousins joining the Kings?
What I would like to hear from the myopic anti Cousins crowd is what their plan is for Kings success?
And the challenge is to do this without spewing negativity about the one really good player the Kings have had in a decade.
He hasn't won anything in the NBA and we are far more dysfunctional the last 5 years with him than we were for a decade without him.
KingsFanGER
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Oh the old Cousins is fat and out of shape thing again? Sadly Coleman was already mentioned so we already reached to height of the usual hyperbole. 
Sometimes this reads more like a personal vendetta than an actual conversation. Is it more about Boogie or more about Bricklayer or Blob?
Could it be beneficial when Boogie cuts down his weight? Maybe - maintaining muscle mass while losing a few percentages of body fat might help a bit with his endurance. It will not turn him into AD or Kat, who are able to run the floor at all times and can potentially guard almost every player on the floor. Boogie just isn't very explosive and my experience is, that explosiveness is almost entirely genetic. Some are born with explosive strength, some aren't. Yes you can get a tad more explosive through hard work, but you will never turn this weakness into a strength (God how I hate it!).
Now Gasol cut down his weight under Joerger and posted career numbers afterwards. But Gasol is almost entirely a finesse big. Boogie not so much. So Bricks fear that cutting down too much would mean that Cousins loses his strength advantage is real.
Like I said: I'm torn on this. Both sides have their risks and benefits.
Sometimes this reads more like a personal vendetta than an actual conversation. Is it more about Boogie or more about Bricklayer or Blob?
Could it be beneficial when Boogie cuts down his weight? Maybe - maintaining muscle mass while losing a few percentages of body fat might help a bit with his endurance. It will not turn him into AD or Kat, who are able to run the floor at all times and can potentially guard almost every player on the floor. Boogie just isn't very explosive and my experience is, that explosiveness is almost entirely genetic. Some are born with explosive strength, some aren't. Yes you can get a tad more explosive through hard work, but you will never turn this weakness into a strength (God how I hate it!).
Now Gasol cut down his weight under Joerger and posted career numbers afterwards. But Gasol is almost entirely a finesse big. Boogie not so much. So Bricks fear that cutting down too much would mean that Cousins loses his strength advantage is real.
Like I said: I'm torn on this. Both sides have their risks and benefits.
upinsmoke
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My stance on DMC is he's an obserdly skilled all nba 1st team talent. If his commitment to Sacramento remain unwaivered and Vlade feels moving forward with him is the way to go then let's play this thing out. If there is ANY doubt about the above then you trade him NOW and demand a Kings ransom in return.
Dime Dropper
All-Star
It's a team sport and we are far worse without Cuz. The dysfunction has certainly not been caused by him either but you will continue burying your head in the sand.
Telemachus
Starter
This team has been dysfunctional since Adelman left, with or without Cousins. And while he has added to the dysfunction at times, he is not the cause of it.
Section 101
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I give you 2008-2009, 17-65 Kenny Natt.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Hey, that team was functionally awful.
kingsboi
Hall of Famer
so for those of you questioning that Boogie nearly lost 20 pounds, according to this article here which was posted on the Kings website, he lost 18 pounds...take it for what it's worth
http://www.nba.com/kings/blog/year-we-turn-it-around
http://www.nba.com/kings/blog/year-we-turn-it-around
King Baller
All-Star
Fail.
Good one!
The "Cousins is a cancer and coach killer who has created/exacerbated the dysfunction in Sacramento" argument never seems to address two crucial points:
(1) Over the last three seasons the Kings have had a just slightly better win percentage than the Sixers when Cousins doesn't play. So the statistics show that instead of being the guy dragging the franchise down, he's the only thing keeping them from essentially being as bad as a team that has been engaging in the largest tank job in the history of the NBA.
(2) If Cousins had LeBron like control over the head coaching position then why was Malone fired against his wishes and Karl hired against his wishes?
Outside of Joerger (who will be Cousins' 6th coach in 7 seasons) there is only one of those coaches that has had another NBA head coaching job - not coincidentally the only head coach DMC had the best relationship with. In fact, of all the coaches the Kings have hired since Adelman (9), not a single one other than Malone has gotten another head coaching gig after leaving the Kings.
DeMarcus isn't helping the dysfunction. He's not Vlade Divac who can bring a group together with the power of his personality. But the idea that Cousins is the cause of the dysfunction is misguided at best.
(1) Over the last three seasons the Kings have had a just slightly better win percentage than the Sixers when Cousins doesn't play. So the statistics show that instead of being the guy dragging the franchise down, he's the only thing keeping them from essentially being as bad as a team that has been engaging in the largest tank job in the history of the NBA.
(2) If Cousins had LeBron like control over the head coaching position then why was Malone fired against his wishes and Karl hired against his wishes?
Outside of Joerger (who will be Cousins' 6th coach in 7 seasons) there is only one of those coaches that has had another NBA head coaching job - not coincidentally the only head coach DMC had the best relationship with. In fact, of all the coaches the Kings have hired since Adelman (9), not a single one other than Malone has gotten another head coaching gig after leaving the Kings.
DeMarcus isn't helping the dysfunction. He's not Vlade Divac who can bring a group together with the power of his personality. But the idea that Cousins is the cause of the dysfunction is misguided at best.
Can't we all just wait until Cousins is surrounded by a good coach in a good system before labeling him the problem?
Yes, Cousins is a loser so far in the NBA because he hasn't won 40 games in a year. That's a fact. How much of it is his fault is debatable because he's been surrounded with unprecedented incompetency. When your owners start drafting and selling certain draft picks because they are cash strapped, nothing good can really come from it.
Yes, Cousins is a loser so far in the NBA because he hasn't won 40 games in a year. That's a fact. How much of it is his fault is debatable because he's been surrounded with unprecedented incompetency. When your owners start drafting and selling certain draft picks because they are cash strapped, nothing good can really come from it.
giantking1355
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KingsFanSince85
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When did it become possible to win in the NBA without a capable supporting cast? And how is Boogie responsible for the lack of a capable supporting cast?
Has he ever held the title of GM or been involved in the decision making regarding draft picks and FA acquisitions?
Boogie certainly as his flaws, but he's far from the root of the problem the Kings have had the past 6 years and beyond.
While others have pointed out that this statement isn't necessarily true, let's assume for just a moment that it is. I again ask, how is Boogie responsible for the dysfunction?
Did he have anything to do with the relocation drama?
Did he have anything to do with who became owner and GM of the team once the relocation drama was over?
Did he have anything to do with all the mistakes Vivek has made in choosing front office personnel up until Vlade took over?
Did he have anything to do with all the poor draft day decisions that have deprived this team of talent?
Did he decide to sign the likes of Carl Landry to a vastly overpaid contract?
Did he have anything to do with allowing Isaiah Thomas to leave with no compensation whatsoever?
Hopefully you get the point.
Well, let's see. LeBron just won the NBA championship with largely the same group of players who were lottery bound each year before he came back.
Next question?
So Cousin's biggest crime is that he's not on the same level as LeBron?
So clearly the Kings just need to dump their best player and acquire an all-time great player instead. Let me know the easiest way to do that.
Side note - Kyrie Irving (who is better than anyone on the Kings roster outside of Boogie) was largely looked at as an empty stats player who didn't elevate his team. Enter LeBron and now people are talking about Kyrie being a superstar.
Cousins isn't the level of talent as James, but then only 3 or 4 players in the history of basketball are. He's more like Irving - a great (All-star, all-NBA) talent that needs a better supporting cast to shine.
whoopdeedoo
Bench
Largely the same group of players, really? You can't see how letting two top draft picks (1 and 4) mature into becoming elite at their specialties changes things? Or how adding a sometimes great 3 point shooter (Smith) to go along with an outstanding defender (Shumpert) changes things? What about adding a 3 time all-star (Love) who also can fit in as a role player with just his rebounding. Maybe a savvy veteran who still has some life in his legs (Jefferson) might help? Or that other locker room glue guy who your star player loves (Williams)? And you are not just throwing in the best player in the world to a random team that magically wins a championship with "largely the same group players", you are adding him to a team that was crafted just for him.
I don't see how you can respond to someone honestly and say it's possible to win in the NBA without a capable supporting cast while using a supporting cast that was specifically made for one player. The same supporting cast that helps compose the highest total salary in the league by a wide margin.
KingsFanSince85
All-Star
While funkykingston is right, I'd add that Cousins doesn't have the luxury of playing with a recent #1 overall pick that's developed into an all-star caliber player and another player that was acquired with yet another #1 overall pick that also happens to be an all-star caliber player.
Furthermore, as great as LeBron is, he never won a title with Cleveland's lottery bound rosters prior to bolting for Miami.
Oddly, I was going to post this in another thread but it seems appropriate here. LeBron leaving for Miami in 2010 turned out to be the best thing for Cleveland's title chances. They were never able to piece together a team capable of winning while he was there. It took several years of suckitude and luckitude to land several high draft picks that placed the team in a much better situation upon his return. They have much better talent now than they ever had his first 7 years in the league.
That's the difference between now and then.
BTW, where might the Kings be now had they landed Kyrie and Wiggins to go along with DeMarcus Cousins? I'm betting they'd be pretty good.
You made good points and valid comments. Which, of course, means they will be totally ignored or tossed aside. Getting the point is not part of the Cousins haters' agenda.
IfAt1st
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While we're flapping our lips about the absurdity of the "Cousins is a cancerous loser, cause of Kings woes", I'd like to point out something that is frequently lost or under-represented:
* Until just this past season, one could easily make the case that the Kings franchise (management and coaches) WANTED to lose as many games as possible.
For Demarcus' first 3 seasons, the Maloofs were actively trying to field the worst team possible, to lower attendance and sap fan support to make it easier for them to move and sell the team.
His 4th season, the team was IMO clearly trying to tank to get a high draft pick to set up the next year's advancement in early preparation of the new arena.
His 5th season, the ownership and front office went insane, expecting such great things from the motley crew Pete DA assembled that they actually fired Mike Malone in the most inexplicable coaching movie in recent sports history. This led to an open revolt, as the players protested the firing and out-of-control ownership that was clearly so enamored of the Warriors that they would sink the Kings' season to vainly pine for their style of play. This led to the hiring of Karl, who quickly showed the reason(s) why he wasn't coaching the NBA anymore. Again in that season, there was little attempt to win games by the entire franchise, since they wanted another high draft pick to set up for the new arena.
This previous (6th) season was the very first season of Demarcus' entire career that the franchise wanted to win.
* Until just this past season, one could easily make the case that the Kings franchise (management and coaches) WANTED to lose as many games as possible.
For Demarcus' first 3 seasons, the Maloofs were actively trying to field the worst team possible, to lower attendance and sap fan support to make it easier for them to move and sell the team.
His 4th season, the team was IMO clearly trying to tank to get a high draft pick to set up the next year's advancement in early preparation of the new arena.
His 5th season, the ownership and front office went insane, expecting such great things from the motley crew Pete DA assembled that they actually fired Mike Malone in the most inexplicable coaching movie in recent sports history. This led to an open revolt, as the players protested the firing and out-of-control ownership that was clearly so enamored of the Warriors that they would sink the Kings' season to vainly pine for their style of play. This led to the hiring of Karl, who quickly showed the reason(s) why he wasn't coaching the NBA anymore. Again in that season, there was little attempt to win games by the entire franchise, since they wanted another high draft pick to set up for the new arena.
This previous (6th) season was the very first season of Demarcus' entire career that the franchise wanted to win.
Gliesian
Bench
Where he was ran into the ground till his wheels became wobbly. Why the hell was a m-m-monster truck in the Indy 500??
I've said this for the past 3 years, but I really think this next season is the turning point. Not only because things will finally be stable for once, but because the Cavs proved that the NBA meta has not changed as much as we all thought. If it was the regular season, the warriors would have gotten a ton more calls imo. But at the Finals, I guess they just let 'em play. Point being, the style we should have had under Malone (defense first, smash em) can be successful.
kingsboi
Hall of Famer
No question that in the playoffs the refs allow the players to play more, which is a breath of fresh air to say the least. That said, the point here is to stick to your principles and your strengths and not become something you are not. I think we are finally seeing that, now we don't know what type of team Vlade and Joerger want to build here, so that's why Thursday will be the first stepping stone in telling us fans the start of the vision.
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