Dick Bavetta still refereeing Kings games??

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Tell me why Dick Bavetta is refereeing the Kings-Blazers game last night, let alone still in the NBA. For those who dont know Dick Bavetta is 1 of 2 referees accused of manipulating the infamous 2002 WCF Kings-Lakers game 6, and is known as an NBA "company man" to fix other NBA games in the leagues favor.

Anyone feel sick to there stomach seeing old Dick giving bayless like 10 free throws in the 4th quarter last night? Anyone cringe when they saw Dick call the phantom offensive foul on JT last night in a crucial 4th quarter possession (that grant, jerry, coach Westphal, and of course JT didnt see)

your thoughts on Bavetta and the refereeing down the stretch?
 
He's a paid employee of the NBA and has been for the past 125 years, he is entitled to referee any game he's given...its not a crime or anything. I've moved on from 2002 a long time ago, that was 8 years ago...
 
No, i didn't feel sick to my stomach watching him give fouls to bayless. As a matter of fact, not once did I think about how he has ref'd in the past. The Kings, simply, did NOT play a good 4th quarter last night. They had every opportunity to win that game. IMO, Bavetta would be stupid to create any kind of conspiracy with games now that the league has eyes on all of the refs.
 
Not this again.

First, that phantom call on JT was in fact the correct call.

But more generally, let's assume the very worst. Let's assume a conspiracy theorist's dream, that Dick Bavetta in fact took a surreptitious call from the NBA before Game 6 and went out and fixed the game (to whatever degree an official can fix a game -- what do they do if you jsut hit all your shots?). In any case, let's just say all of the above is true. Of what possible relevance could that be to an unimportnat regular season December matchup between Portland and Sacramento 7 years later? What? The NBA has Dick on permanent retainer to screw the Kings out of every game just for the fun of it?

Makes no sense even under a conspiracy theory worldview. The only way Dick would run around screwing us over and over again is if he had something personally against us, and even the conspiracy theories don't allege that. In fact they allege the opposite -- that he was doing it on somebody else's behalf. So we can we maybe not try to blame the refs for this one?
 
so your all comfortable with a man that MAY have taken away a championship from sacramento still refereeing kings games and future playoff and finals games?
 
He's a paid employee of the NBA and has been for the past 125 years, he is entitled to referee any game he's given...its not a crime or anything. I've moved on from 2002 a long time ago, that was 8 years ago...

AMEN to that. don't live in the past Kings Fans. It was painful, but its time to move on
 
so your all comfortable with a man that MAY have taken away a championship from sacramento still refereeing kings games and future playoff and finals games?

So you think that because a convicted felon (Donaghy) says that the game was fixed then the NBA should believe him and fire Dick Bavetta or keep him off Kings games? If the NBA fired each NBA official every time a conspiracy was alleged there wouldn't be any referees left in the league.
 
So you think that because a convicted felon (Donaghy) says that the game was fixed then the NBA should believe him and fire Dick Bavetta or keep him off Kings games? If the NBA fired each NBA official every time a conspiracy was alleged there wouldn't be any referees left in the league.

David Stern is that you?
 
Why does David Stern always calls Donaghy uncreditable and a "criminal", yet he never completely denies the alogations.

Alot of your think Donaghy is the bad guy, all he did was see an opportunity to profit off an already corrupt system.

IT IS NOT A CRIME UNDER FEDERAL LAW FOR THE NBA TO FIX ITS GAMES. HOWEVER IT IS FOR THE REFS TO BET ON THEM
 
Is that we are doing here then? Just another Game 6/Donaghy thread? To say that is pointless would be to undersell the word and we should probably just close this.
 
Let's assume a conspiracy theorist's dream, that Dick Bavetta in fact took a surreptitious call from the NBA before Game 6 and went out and fixed the game (to whatever degree an official can fix a game -- what do they do if you jsut hit all your shots?

By calling fouls when people hit other people's elbows with their faces of course.

that said, no way 'the fix was in' on tonights game, no reason for anyone but Portland and Sacramento fans to care.
 
Is that we are doing here then? Just another Game 6/Donaghy thread? To say that is pointless would be to undersell the word and we should probably just close this.

Donaghy never refereed game 6, or any of the other conspired games. This was never about him. Dick Bavetta/David Stern are the real criminals.
 
I guess it must be time to move on from 2002 but the game last night is still topical. I think Bavetta is too old to ref games anymore and the "Company Man" should have been forced to retire in disgrace from all the allegations and circumstances surrounding him. I, for one, will be glad to see him retire. I think he is a big black stain on the NBA, and when he is gone the NBA can move toward removing the stain with better training for officials and working on taking the bias out of officiating. There has never been a more biased official than Dick IMHO.

But officiating is NOT what lost the game last night. It wasn't the most evenly called game but that's not why the Kings lost. Hawes's poor performance, bad overall team offensive production in the second half, missed free throws, and defensive miscues at the worst possible time were to blame. If the Kings were up by 20, there wouldn't be any talk about officials. Up by 11 at the half, if the Kings had come out and stepped on the gas pedal and they score 10 unanswered, they pull away from Portland for good. They didn't do that and so they lost. They came out in the third lackadaisical, and they lost their lead. I think reinserting the starting lineup that had proven they could not compete in the 1st quarter to start the 3rd was a rare mistake by Westphal. The momentum of the game was changed at that point and the Kings went from winning to fighting to stay in the game.

But I think most would agree that Hawes's performance was the deciding factor in this Kings meltdown on the road. Road games are difficult to win. Making mistakes on the road is lethal. Having a Center that is soft in the NBA is a disaster. They Need to get Hawes to play better or he has to ride the pine. It's that bad and that obvious. Hawes has a lot of tools and he hasn't had any games where he has played well to build confidence, but even so he can't continue to play the way he has and still START. He has the Capacity and Capability to be a good center, but so far he hasn't shown the drive or inclination to be a starting center in the NBA. Either he comes out and plays hard, starts fouling on layups, plays decent defense in the post, and starts scoring on put backs and the occasional jumper OR he is not helping his team win. Right now, starting Kenny Thomas at the 4 and JT at the 5 is looking pretty good. At least KT gives you some production and defense. That would be a small lineup but Hawes isn't playing big anyway. Hawes doesn't have to play like an ALLSTAR, but he can't keep playing like a rookie in his THIRD season anymore either. :(
 
Is that we are doing here then? Just another Game 6/Donaghy thread? To say that is pointless would be to undersell the word and we should probably just close this.

Please close this Bricky. I'm tired of these threads. There is nothing that can be done and it's getting old talking about it.
 
By calling fouls when people hit other people's elbows with their faces of course.

that said, no way 'the fix was in' on tonights game, no reason for anyone but Portland and Sacramento fans to care.

Totally agree with this. No one but Sactown and Portland care about the outcome of a regular season game in December between 2 teams hovering around .500 in the West. Pretty sure the betting wasn't all that hot and heavy on this game. Don't like Bavetta as an official, but NO WAY the FIX was IN on this game. We need to start looking for the REAL reasons for these road losses. :o

I saw a Kings team with a lot of fight in them go at a very talented Portland team that was a heavy favorite to win at home. Brandon Roy is a 2 time allstar and he played like it. The Kings have no actual allstars on their roster. Maybe someday SOON for Mr Evans, but not yet. I think if we had Martin, we win this game going away. I look forward to seeing Martin and Evans starting with Beno and Sergio coming in off the bench. Pretty potent back court there.
 
i think we can all agree that the FAIREST way to do things would be for the NBA and the Referees to be 2 completely SEPARATE fuctions. That means the NBA does not hire, pay, or trains its refs. Have a separate refereeing organization Can we all agree on that?? and that that last post was way to long :)
 
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