Detroit shopping Darko?

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According to a blurb on B92 (Serbian source), Detroit is shopping Darko and offering him to Atlanta for Al Harrington.

Not much details in the article except that and a mentioning of a rumour that there was a conflict between Joe D and Brown regarding Darko, but now Detroit has had enough of Darko too.

This could be good news for Kings. Atlanta needs a C, any C. They won't get Chandler and they may not want Curry. If they take Darko, Curry will be without a serious suitor. Bulls do not want Curry back but will match any offers in order to force sign and trade and get something back for their former number 4 pick. If nobody is bidding on Curry, we may be able to get him on the cheap and take a risk.

He would fit Kings perfectly on offense (great face up scorer), but unofrtunately on D too (no hustle, no rebs, loafs around).
 
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Gandhi the Pimp said:
Curry is a beast, just wait....
Darko, eh.... bad use of a #2 pick.....
I know, that is why I didn't even entertain an idea of Kings getting Darko over Curry.

Curry needs someone to show him how easy it is for a guy of his size and his ability to be a dominant defender rebounder and not just demand it from him as the Bulls did. He needs a teacher (Yoda) and not a drill seargent (Skiles), he brings everything else himself.

Poor kid, really screwed it up so far in the NBA and then they discovered heart issues on the top of it. But, if you're looking at a reclaimation project there is no better deal in the league then Eddy. Granted, with frontline of Pedja-Brad-Eddy we'd still be soft, but on offense we'd be a juggernout that would make Suns look ordinary. Juggernout with size (6-9, 6-11, 7-0).
 
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i wouldnt mind getting darko....trade thomas for him and some filler..... anyone taller than 6'8 is welcome....
 

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I'm certainly not sold on Curry, especially as a King. Sure, he'd give the team the low post presence they'd need, but as a team with rebounding problems, do you really want a center that averages less than six rebounds per game?

How is that even possible for a guy of his size who plays down low?
 
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outsider62 said:
With our luck with injuries, I would pass.
We haven't had heart problems yet, maybe Curry and the Kings would both luck out and skip any problems.
 
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thesanityannex

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an easy spot yes, bad, who knows....................(insert untasteful peja joke here_______________________________________________________)
 
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funkykingston said:
I'm certainly not sold on Curry, especially as a King. Sure, he'd give the team the low post presence they'd need, but as a team with rebounding problems, do you really want a center that averages less than six rebounds per game?

How is that even possible for a guy of his size who plays down low?
Arguably, Tyson Chandler vacuums up any rebs available and Nociony scoops up anything that is left over. Eddy is uisually busy on the other end dominating the opposition and often scoring either all the Bulls points or most of them in the quarter when he plays big minutes.
 
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I wouldn't mind getting curry.... Which west centers does he have to worry about? Yao? He's as bad a rebounder as they come. Duncan? Duncan gives everybody problems.

Bibby
Wells
Peja
Miller
Curry

Bench:
Everythings a question mark right now.... We don't know where everyone would end up after trades and free agency, but that starting line up looks unbelievable.
 

Bricklayer

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Curry is considerably overrated. He is every bit as one dimensional as Peja, only his one dimension is post scoring rather than outside shooting. Every bit as prolific as Peja too, but he does not rebound. He does not defend. He does not pass. And you consider it a good day when you keep him from pigging out on half a dozen Big Macs. He has a use, and we could definitely use post scoring. On the other hand we can NOT use another one dimensional scorer. Not even as if he makes his teammates much better because he's not going to pass it out of the post on offense, nor does he use that bulk to help on defense. As with many players, I'd obviously take him for spare parts and feel good about it, but its hard to get too excited about a lazy kid who had heart problems even before he had heart problems. Duckworth #2.

And frankly I agree with whoever mentioned that we could/should try a KT for Darko swap. If Harrington is being asked for, KT is not too out of line with that type of offer. Darko did not show well in summer league again and may turn out to be a complete flop. On the other hand he still has the variety of talents to be a special player in ouor system if he ever gets it together. Unfortunately picking up young prospects has not been our style. Part of Geoff's "genius" is dealing almost exclusively in proven entitites.
 
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thesanityannex said:
We haven't had heart problems yet, maybe Curry and the Kings would both luck out and skip any problems.
That had "no pun intended" writen all over it :) or was it coincidental considering Curry's heart problems that sidelined him at the end of season.
 

VF21

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vj - I think you missed the point. It had "PUN DEFINITELY INTENDED" written all over it, scrolled across the sky in white puffy letters by an airplane, and blinking in bright neon lights.
 
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VF21 said:
vj - I think you missed the point. It had "PUN DEFINITELY INTENDED" written all over it, scrolled across the sky in white puffy letters by an airplane, and blinking in bright neon lights.
thank you. didn't want to do that myself.
 
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thesanityannex said:
We haven't had heart problems yet, maybe Curry and the Kings would both luck out and skip any problems.
:confused: We haven't had heart problems yet, maybe Curry and the Kings would both luck out and skip any problems;) :rolleyes: (went with the bright green for added sarcasm. any better brick???)
 
#20
Bricklayer said:
Curry is considerably overrated. He is every bit as one dimensional as Peja, only his one dimension is post scoring rather than outside shooting. Every bit as prolific as Peja too, but he does not rebound. He does not defend. He does not pass. And you consider it a good day when you keep him from pigging out on half a dozen Big Macs. He has a use, and we could definitely use post scoring. On the other hand we can NOT use another one dimensional scorer. Not even as if he makes his teammates much better because he's not going to pass it out of the post on offense, nor does he use that bulk to help on defense. As with many players, I'd obviously take him for spare parts and feel good about it, but its hard to get too excited about a lazy kid who had heart problems even before he had heart problems. Duckworth #2.

And frankly I agree with whoever mentioned that we could/should try a KT for Darko swap. If Harrington is being asked for, KT is not too out of line with that type of offer. Darko did not show well in summer league again and may turn out to be a complete flop. On the other hand he still has the variety of talents to be a special player in ouor system if he ever gets it together. Unfortunately picking up young prospects has not been our style. Part of Geoff's "genius" is dealing almost exclusively in proven entitites.
While I don't dissagree with your assesment of Curry, I am trying to be realistic. We will not get Darko for a bad contract (KT). Not to mention, that Detroit had absolutely no use for KT, nor does Atlanta (in a three way trade). Darko and Curry and my favorite "sleepers". They have both managed to diminish their considerable value (talent, size and potential):

- Darko by what after his summer league display must be a legendary show of lethargy and
- Eddy by his hustle stats and history with Bulls.

But I can build a better defense for Curry:

1. Fitness and weight problems: Curry tried to be a good pro and go for the best off season program available - Tim Grover's Hoops The Gym in Chi-town, only to land into trouble with then Bulls front office who hated Grover. You cannot ban a guy from a gym and expect him to be fit. As for his eating habits, Eddy (according to his own words) simply does not know how to buy and prepare food or go out and order from restaurant so he usually ends up eating Mickey D or Pizza Hut stuff.

2. Succession of terrible coaches would alternate in scorning (Floyd) or coddling (Cartwright) Eddy without actually teaching him. At least Skiles found him a role along veteran bigs and that monster Chandler. This role included minimizing Eddy's contribution on D to help defense and taking up space. He is already better then a year ago and he could improve, but Bulls will go with Chandler as the max big guy that they will keep. In fact, I could argue that Eddy's rotations on D are already better then Brad's.

3. His character: The kid was slaughtered by the media for being lazy and for frittering all his money away to the point that he had to borrow 250K from Antion Davis last year. Turns out kid is just a kid and did not know better. Nobody showed him anything of any substance until Paxson and Skiles came into town. Before that his "leaders" and gurus were NBA's own NRA evangelist (Jalen Rose - what a piece this guy is) and his best friend on the Bulls was Jamaal Crawford. Real role models. Turns out that he did not fritter money away himself. he just gave it to whomever would ask for a "loan". He is a poster child for NBA age limit. But he is 23 years old now, he had a career threatening health scare and the max deal that his agent (who he fired since) was promissing him to be "imminent" is not going to materialise.

The kid has reclamation project written all over him and I would not write him off yet. Darko on the other hand has shown about the same amount of immaturity but his price still maybe too high as he hasn't had as bad a rep or history as Curry did.
 
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VF21 said:
vj - I think you missed the point. It had "PUN DEFINITELY INTENDED" written all over it, scrolled across the sky in white puffy letters by an airplane, and blinking in bright neon lights.
Actually I got the point, but I accidentally said no pun intended instead of "all pun intended" :)
 
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Flip Saunders has said he is excited to work with Darko. Any chance of Detroit trading him left with Larry Brown. Besides, if this guy wasn't a high draft pick, people would be appalled at the concept of trading for him. I don't want him anywhere close to this team. He hasn't shown that he can accomplish anything in the NBA, and going after big risks like him should not be the answer for this team.
 

Bricklayer

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captain bill said:
Flip Saunders has said he is excited to work with Darko. Any chance of Detroit trading him left with Larry Brown. Besides, if this guy wasn't a high draft pick, people would be appalled at the concept of trading for him. I don't want him anywhere close to this team. He hasn't shown that he can accomplish anything in the NBA, and going after big risks like him should not be the answer for this team.
Going after big risks like him might be the ONLY chance this team has of ever winning a championship. We can either do it now while we still have the supporting cast in place, or we can wait until the supporting cast wraps up its futile chase for the ring and gets too old to be effective and then do it the old fashioned way in the lottery. Either way, barring a miraculous turnaround in the attitude of the front office about trading way our alleged core, there is no way we are getting our hands on a fully developed star level player to put us over the top. If we want one, only chance we have is to take a chance on somebody.
 
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Alright, let me rephrase that. We shouldn't take chances on Darko. I just don't like him at all. He's absolutely pathetic and completely unathletic, traits that I cannot imagine him improving on in Sacramento. Bring me an athletic underachieving player who has shown some skills in the past and I'll welcome him. But Darko is a bust, plain and simple. I can't understand why people are still on his bandwagon.
 
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captain bill said:
Alright, let me rephrase that. We shouldn't take chances on Darko. I just don't like him at all. He's absolutely pathetic and completely unathletic, traits that I cannot imagine him improving on in Sacramento. Bring me an athletic underachieving player who has shown some skills in the past and I'll welcome him. But Darko is a bust, plain and simple. I can't understand why people are still on his bandwagon.
How is he unathletic? From all accounts and from what I saw he is very athletic I would say he is the fastest center in the game today. His lateral qickness is off the charts he actually had a higher score than Melo at the draft combines. If you watch him in games you would see his athleticism when he pops out to guard the guards on the perimeter on the pick and rolls.
 
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Also the report is false the say on the Detriot message board the president of team himself (HAMMOND) called the station to tell them it was bs when he heard the station WDFN talking about the article in the post. Now that is what I call strong denial of the article.
 
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outsider62 said:
Darko: 20 years old, good passer from high post, just one or two years left of rookie contract, may be worth a gamble.
Raw as hell as well. I just don't see what the big deal is with this kid. Could be worth a gamble though.
 
#29
I watch the Bulls quite often and I think Curry has it in him to become a top player in this league. He is a very talented individual. Curry as King? I wish.
 
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AleksandarN said:
How is he unathletic? From all accounts and from what I saw he is very athletic I would say he is the fastest center in the game today. His lateral qickness is off the charts he actually had a higher score than Melo at the draft combines. If you watch him in games you would see his athleticism when he pops out to guard the guards on the perimeter on the pick and rolls.
He has no strength. He can't muscle up against anyone. He also can't finish very well or compete against most centers in the league. Maybe that will come with years, but at this point it would have to be 4 or 5 years until he can make any significant impact in the league.