DeMarcus Cousins: "...what's bigger than my name in Sacramento?"

[IfAt1st]

Some media members REALLY need to spill/leak some of the innuendo of what's going on behind the scenes to help everyone understand where the dysfunction in this franchise is coming from.

There are enough people that know what the hell is really going on, and I find it very frustrating that they can't find a way in today's media-drenched world, to get the critical word(s) out.

Ham said "this front office has basically gone away and hid." How pathetic.
PDA was the only one at Karl's press unveiling as coach?!? How is that possible?
And PDA says Karl is HIS hire? I thought Vivek is on record, quite clearly, that Karl was HIS hire?
How can we possibly not know who wanted to hire Karl, and who wanted to delay?
There is ZERO accountability in this organization, and just a morass of innuendo, leaks, and contradictory non-statements - how is anyone supposed to get any plan moving forward, when noone steps up and says "This is what I believe in, this is what I did, this is what worked and what didn't, and why."

This franchise is going NOWHERE until the front office fixes the way they go about their jobs.

 

[Prince_XY]

Sacramento Kings looks like destined to be ruined by media and unforgiving fans. I just hope Cousins will be strong enough to resist whatever the media and the unforgiving fans want to happen. There is just no end in flooding the net with negatives that sooner or later will actually affect Cousins and ruin whatever good that has started happening in Sacramento.

Why do we have to make being a Kings' fan so hard and miserable?

Too many negative conspiracy theories and negative speculations like we're still living in a third world country where entertainment mostly comes from character assassination through gossips and rumor-mongering. Some knowledgeable fans would even rather drive Cousins out of Sacramento just because their favorite coach got fired. Where is the good sense in that kind of mentality? It sometimes feel like nobody wants to have harmony in Sacramento. Nobody wants hope. We got the team to stay in Sacramento, we got a new ownership, an innovative organization, a true and tested very good coach, and yet nobody seems to be happy. Most would rather highlight the negatives rather than dwell on the positives. The prevailing attitude is destructive and it is unbelievable.

This is probably why for so many years now, no player with a big name wants to play in cowbell town. The town had become a backward rumor-mongering town full of negativity.

Where are the hopeful and forward thinking professionals went in this town?

Are they all gone hiding?

 

[VF21]

...Why do we have to make being a Kings' fan so hard and miserable?...

Because we ARE Kings fans and we've had to endure more than just about any other fan base on the face of the planet.

Too many negative conspiracy theories and negative speculations like we're still living in a third world country where entertainment mostly comes from character assassination through gossips and rumor-mongering. Some knowledgeable fans would even rather drive Cousins out of Sacramento just because their favorite coach got fired. Where is the good sense in that kind of mentality? It sometimes feel like nobody wants to have harmony in Sacramento. Nobody wants hope. We got the team to stay in Sacramento, we got a new ownership, an innovative organization, a true and tested very good coach, and yet nobody seems to be happy. Most would rather highlight the negatives rather than dwell on the positives. The prevailing attitude is destructive and it is unbelievable.

That is simply not true. While there are those who are skeptical about what's happened and what may happen, the people here are still KINGS fans. If they're skeptical, so be it. At least they're still here and they're still talking about the Kings. Winning brings a more positive attitude. When the Kings start to win on a consistent basis, things will improve.

This is probably why for so many years now, no player with a big name wants to play in cowbell town. The town had become a backward rumor-mongering town full of negativity.

Oh please. Just stop.

The reason why no player with a big name has wanted to come here is because THE FRONT OFFICE DIDN'T WANT THEM. The Maloofs didn't want to spend any money. They wanted to beat the team down so the fans wouldn't care when they moved to Anaheim or Seattle.

Backward rumor monngering town full of negativity? Bull crap. If that were true, this board would either: a) no longer exist, or b) be named Sonicsfans.com

Step down off the soap box.

 

[lawlman91]

After making an initial response to your post, I took the time to re-read it (which is why my response disappeared for a few minutes).

You make some good points but I think you're omitting one key factor - loyalty. It is clear based on a wide variety of sources that DMC values loyalty above just about everything else. I think this has been a big question mark for DeMarcus this year. He has to have questioned the loyalty of the front office to him at the time of the Malone firing. He has been on the ultimate roller coaster ride of his professional career this season, including the all-star snub that was rectified by none other than the commissioner of the NBA.

I think DMC knows the fans are behind him. I think he retains a loyalty to those fans and the franchise that drafted him. I also think he wants/needs to believe that the guys stepping on the court every night with him are loyal to each other and to him and want the same thing - to win.

When George Karl was finally brought on board, I think it may have been the beginning of restoring DMC's faith in the organization. Adding Vlade to the mix was most likely another step in the right direction.

Has DMC questioned his future? Most certainly. Does he want to leave for greener pastures? I don't think so; it doesn't seem to be part of his character. Again, his own loyalty trumps all, which is partially why perceived disloyalty of others could cut him so deeply.

I didn't mean to make this some kind of amateur psycho-analysis of our franchise center. I only meant to point out that I think some people are way too hard on him because they haven't looked at him as a person.

There are different ways to interpret DMC's comments. I will continue to vehemently protest when someone (not you) tries to take his words out of context to put DMC in an unfair light. That's not fair to him and it's not fair to us.

DMC seems to be very loyal not only because he says so, but because his actions towards his college team strongly imply it:

1) He still is good friends with John Wall
2) Remember his bracket? It all said "Kentucky"

 

[Prince_XY]

Demarcus SAID a line had been crossed.
By this front office.
And what line is that?
Obviously, lying to the media and actually blaming their franchise player for their own incompetence, confusion, dissension in their ranks, and lack of plan.

So, Cousins said it was the front office who crossed the line?

Where the hell did Cousins say that in this article?

I know I am very poor in English since it is not my primary language, but I am presuming you are born and raised in this country to be proficient in English.

So, does the article say Cousins was really saying/insinuating that he was back-stabbed by the FO?

Can it not be that Cousins was talking about the media and some of us fans who want the team to fail (so we can say we were genius as compared to the newbees/outsiders in town) for crossing the line (by concocting things resulting to him as looking like the bad guy) ?

Are you trying to create another drama/controversy by trying to make it appear that there is a serious fight/misunderstanding between Cousins and the FO? Because if you are, please stop because it is not helping Cousins' cause and the whole of team. I want to see this team prosper with Cousins and not lose Cousins to another team.

Nowhere did Cousins say he is blaming the FO for leaking such infos to the media, and yet you presume already that Cousins was talking about the FO leaking those info and to the point where you have to presume that the FO stabbed Cousins' back. So, basically, you are saying Cousins is now against the FO too. First, the media was insinuating Cousins does not want Karl making Cousins look like a prima donna and wanting to hire his own coach. And now, we are insinuating Cousins is also at odds with the FO which makes him appear as as if he wants to run the organization the way he wants it operating.

What does that make Cousins?

Is he really this headache of a player?

Would any player want that kind of treatment from media and some fans?

Could it not be that Cousins was referring to the MEDIA ONLY and to some of us backward thinking fans who love conspiracy theories as the ones crossing the line and not the FO?

This is exactly the type of rumor-mongering I was talking about. The sad part of it is it makes Cousins look bad. The media and some of us fans are trying to create chaos within the Kings organization as a whole, as if the minor problems the franchise is experiencing does not happen to other teams, and it always end up with Cousins's name being tarnished. I can't blame Cousins if he leaves town eventually. It is just a terrible place to play and be living if you are an NBA player. It is where people continuously misunderstood players and puts words into their mouth for entertainment to the detriment of players and the whole team. Such a very backward way of supporting a team/player.

At first, I found Cousins statement condescending when he said "What's bigger than my name in Sacramento". But I can't blame the guy. It really seems there is nothing bigger in Sacramento other than the name of Cousins to trash and talk about for the sake of entertainment. Oh wait, there are more names. The "outsiders" Vivek, Mullins, and PDA..

 

[IfAt1st]

You really like stirring up crap, don't you, Prince_XY?

Tell you what - when you start predicting what Cousins and the front office does before it happens, I'll listen to you. When your statements and observations bear out as true, year after year, I'll believe what you have to say.

Until then, I'll tell you, straight-up -
I know more about Demarcus Cousins than you do, "inside sources" or not.
So do most every one of the regulars here on KF.
I'll guarantee you, we watch more of the games and know more about the players than you do.

So go back and hide under your rock, just to come out every few days and stir up crap again with deliberately distorting ideas that always end up about Demarcus looking bad and the FO looking good, 'kay?

 

[VF21]

...I can't blame Cousins if he leaves town eventually. It is just a terrible place to play and be living if you are an NBA player. It is where people continuously misunderstood players and puts words into their mouth for entertainment to the detriment of players and the whole team. Such a very backward way of supporting a team.

Maybe if you were actually within 200 - 300 miles of Sacramento you'd understand how ridiculous your comment sounds.

Sacramento SAVED their franchise and their players because of those same people you seem to enjoy looking down upon. Maybe if you don't know what you're talking about you should just refrain from talking.

 

[PoundForPound]

Sacramento Kings looks like destined to be ruined by media and unforgiving fans. I just hope Cousins will be strong enough to resist whatever the media and the unforgiving fans want to happen. There is just no end in flooding the net with negatives that sooner or later will actually affect Cousins and ruin whatever good that has started happening in Sacramento.

Why do we have to make being a Kings' fan so hard and miserable?

Too many negative conspiracy theories and negative speculations like we're still living in a third world country where entertainment mostly comes from character assassination through gossips and rumor-mongering. Some knowledgeable fans would even rather drive Cousins out of Sacramento just because their favorite coach got fired. Where is the good sense in that kind of mentality? It sometimes feel like nobody wants to have harmony in Sacramento. Nobody wants hope. We got the team to stay in Sacramento, we got a new ownership, an innovative organization, a true and tested very good coach, and yet nobody seems to be happy. Most would rather highlight the negatives rather than dwell on the positives. The prevailing attitude is destructive and it is unbelievable.

This is probably why for so many years now, no player with a big name wants to play in cowbell town. The town had become a backward rumor-mongering town full of negativity.

Where are the hopeful and forward thinking professionals went in this town?

Are they all gone hiding?

Sacramento has worked long and hard to keep this team here. I agree with VF on this one. You almost have to live in or near the city itself to understand the true impact of our community and public trust. This team is the fabric of our city and represents everything that we are.

 

[Folsomkingsfan]

Sacramento Kings looks like destined to be ruined by media and unforgiving fans. I just hope Cousins will be strong enough to resist whatever the media and the unforgiving fans want to happen. There is just no end in flooding the net with negatives that sooner or later will actually affect Cousins and ruin whatever good that has started happening in Sacramento.

Why do we have to make being a Kings' fan so hard and miserable?

Too many negative conspiracy theories and negative speculations like we're still living in a third world country where entertainment mostly comes from character assassination through gossips and rumor-mongering. Some knowledgeable fans would even rather drive Cousins out of Sacramento just because their favorite coach got fired. Where is the good sense in that kind of mentality? It sometimes feel like nobody wants to have harmony in Sacramento. Nobody wants hope. We got the team to stay in Sacramento, we got a new ownership, an innovative organization, a true and tested very good coach, and yet nobody seems to be happy. Most would rather highlight the negatives rather than dwell on the positives. The prevailing attitude is destructive and it is unbelievable.

This is probably why for so many years now, no player with a big name wants to play in cowbell town. The town had become a backward rumor-mongering town full of negativity.

Where are the hopeful and forward thinking professionals went in this town?

Are they all gone hiding?

I love the kings and want nothing for the best, but after being a fan all these years it's hard for me to hopeful and forward thinking. The last time the kings had a winning record I was 15 years old and just finishing up middle school. I'm now 24 and about to finish my masters program. I've seen endless coaching changes and terrible drafting in every draft sans the cousins draft. I want nothing more than to win, but it's hard to be jubilant when there is no light at the end of the tunnel.

 

[Prince_XY]

You really like stirring up poopoo, don't you, Prince_XY?

No.

That is not what I want and what I am doing. What I want is for you to clear the poopoo that you started. But it seems like you want to stay away from the real issue that I see here - your rumor mongering.

Again, I ask you:

So, Cousins said it was the front office who crossed the line?

Where the hell did Cousins say that in the article?

Just answer the question please - if indeed it was not you who is stirring some poopoo.

Your conspiracy theories do not help Cousins cause. The media people and fans like you drives him crazy. You are destroying his image and thereby also destroying whatever hope there is in this Sacramento Kings team.

Again, answer my question please if you are not just rumor-mongering. It is a simple question.

So, Cousins said it was the front office who crossed the line?

Where the hell did Cousins say that in this article?

 

[Prince_XY]

Sacramento has worked long and hard to keep this team here.

So, why tear it up by succumbing to media negativity after you succeeded on keeping the team?

I mean why do people like Ifat1st seems to be creating a fight between Cousins and the FO based on this article as if Cousins was really saying he got back stabbed by the FO?

Did Cousins really meant the words he uttered to be directed to the FO or to the media?

Will it help get this team better if we are creating an atmosphere of chaos between the players and the organization?

It is very obvious that some in the media wants trouble within the organization so that Cousins will leave the Kings eventually and therefore he can be had by Boston or some other team. I think that is a smart move by them to get Cousins on their team. But for the fans who truly love the Kings to do the same, I think that is crazy.

 

[Albatros]

Certain media members do seem to take pleasure in the mess at times.

Warrior and laker fans tend to do that though.

 

[IfAt1st]

What I want is for you to clear the poopoo that you started. But it seems like you want to stay away from the real issue that I see here - your rumor mongering.

Again, I ask you:

So, Cousins said it was the front office who crossed the line?

Where the hell did Cousins say that in the article?

He didn't say that explicitly in the article.

He strongly suggested it, if you know the history of the Kings this year, and Demarcus' personality.

See, Prince_XY, I don't know if this exists in your native language, but there's this thing in the English language called insinuation (click here for definition).
It means that if you know what to listen and read for, and you know the speaker/author, you can learn more about their intent than they explicitly say/write.

And I guaran-damn-tee you I know more about Demarcus Cousins than you do.

So you can go hide behind your claims that "Demarcus didn't actually say that!" and "Fans like you are what Demarcus hates and will make him want to leave Sacramento!" but you're just making yourself look simplistic (unnuanced) and unknowledgeable of the team, its front office, and the players when you say that stuff.

I could respond more, point by point, but what's the point?
You're not worth the time or effort - I made my read of the situation clear in my first post - you must not have read it, unless you actually are making the statement that you think Demarcus was referring to fans who think he feels betrayed by the front office or media members who report putting 2 and 2 together in this situation between the front office and Demarcus.

Let me say one last thing:
I don't know what country you are originally from, but in America when a talented star like Demarcus is screwed over (by purposeful leaks, them not coming to his defense or clearing any air, and accidental/incompetent bumbling and mistakes) by his employers/"superiors", we Americans don't typically view it as a negative when that individual gets their hackles up towards them and starts looking for a way out from their control.
We are iconoclastic mavericks that way, for the most part.
You keep saying/suggesting that it would be a bad thing if an employee got ticked off at his employers continual screwups and slimy actions.
It doesn't "make Demarcus look bad" and it doesn't "tarnish his name" with most Americans.
Just an FYI to help you out.

 

[carmichaeldave]

Some media members REALLY need to spill/leak some of the innuendo of what's going on behind the scenes to help everyone understand where the dysfunction in this franchise is coming from.

There are enough people that know what the hell is really going on, and I find it very frustrating that they can't find a way in today's media-drenched world, to get the critical word(s) out.

Ham said "this front office has basically gone away and hid." How pathetic.
PDA was the only one at Karl's press unveiling as coach?!? How is that possible?
And PDA says Karl is HIS hire? I thought Vivek is on record, quite clearly, that Karl was HIS hire?
How can we possibly not know who wanted to hire Karl, and who wanted to delay?
There is ZERO accountability in this organization, and just a morass of innuendo, leaks, and contradictory non-statements - how is anyone supposed to get any plan moving forward, when noone steps up and says "This is what I believe in, this is what I did, this is what worked and what didn't, and why."

This franchise is going NOWHERE until the front office fixes the way they go about their jobs.

Can I just chime in and say, to the first part of your post, that the last time media members chimed in with "innuendo/spill/leak" there was fire and brimstone??

I won't speak for any other media person, but I know when the Karl situation was happening, I was doing all I could to leave breadcrumbs while still honoring the relationships I have within the team.

When that happened, there was a decent bit of "dude if you know something, spill it", and "these media guys need to stop using sources" etc.

I'm not bitching, and I'll keep doing what I do, but I just wanted to stop and point out that some things aren't always smiled upon.

What I would say is look at the chess board. Odds are, your instincts are correct.

 

[VF21]

This thread, with the exception of CD's last post, has turned into something almost beyond description. Between pontificating holier-than-thou comments and rebuttals that are just as bad in the other direction (my own included), it appears as though this discussion simply has nowhere left to go except further down into the cesspool.

For that reason, I'm closing it. As general reminder, comments need to be addressed to posts NOT posters.