Dealing with Melo - Houston/Sacramento/Denver

[Smills91]

2 trades disguised as 1.

Rockets deal:
Kevin Martin
Jared Jeffries
Jordan Hill
Chase Budinger
NY Knicks 1st round pick
3 million cash

Rockets receive:
Melo
JR Smith
Darnell Jackson

Nuggets deal:
Melo
JR Smith
Arron Affalo
3 million cash

Nuggets receive:
Kevin Martin
Jordan Hill
Chase Budinger
6.7 TPE from Smith via Jefferies deal
1.9 TPE from Afflalo deal
NY Knicks pick 2011

Kings deal
TPE - 6.8 Million
TPE - 1.9 Million
Darnell Jackson

Kings receive:
Jared Jefferies
Arron Afflalo
3 million from Houston
3 Million from Denver

Kings pay 800,000 dollars to add Jefferies and 1.9 million to add Afflalo, overall Kings add 2.7 million dollars to their liabilities to add two solid perimeter players, one of which could have a bright future as Tyreke's backcourt mate(Afflalo).

Houston gets Melo

Denver gets a great return for Melo with some serious LTT savings instantly while remaining competitive with Martin in town.

 

[bajaden]

Right off the top of my head, I don't see the Rockets giving up that much to get Melo. They are essentially giving up five players plus 3 mil in cash to aquire three players including Melo, J.R. Smith, whom they probably don't want, and an unproven Jackson. If I'm Houston, I don't make this trade.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

Right off the top of my head, I don't see the Rockets giving up that much to get Melo. They are essentially giving up five players plus 3 mil in cash to aquire three players including Melo, J.R. Smith, whom they probably don't want, and an unproven Jackson. If I'm Houston, I don't make this trade.

lol we get involved to get afflalo again. why not deal whiteside and get afflalo directly?

 

[kingsboi]

I'd rather stay away from a 3 way trade involving Denver, we probably just get back junk unless we get back a solid prospect or draft pick.

 

[sidney]

Honest question - What is it that you see in Affalo that is so great? He's not particularly big, tall, very good at rebounding or playmaking. A solid 3pt shooter and defender I suppose. Am I missing something else? I haven't watched him too much.

Depending on how badly Denver wants under the tax line I could see them packaging JR Smith with Affalo and 3M cash to a 2nd rounder at the trade deadline. 3M should cover the rest of JR's salary and we just cut him and get Affalo for free.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

lol we get involved to get afflalo again. why not deal whiteside and get afflalo directly?

I'm not sure the front office is particularly interested in dealing Whiteside. I'd guess that the majority of members of this board aren't. I don't think it's too outlandish to imagine that we might use cap space to facilitate moving Carmelo (a necessary end) to a team where salaries don't quite match up, and try to pull in a guy like Afflalo in return.

 

[fnordius]

I'm not sure the front office is particularly interested in dealing Whiteside. I'd guess that the majority of members of this board aren't.

Yeah. I'm plenty tired of hearing about multi-team deals where half of the NBA plays musical chairs so that we can get Afflalo, but I'm not the least bit interested in moving Whiteside this year.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

yeah. I'm plenty tired of hearing about multi-team deals where half of the nba plays musical chairs so that we can get afflalo, but i'm not the least bit interested in moving whiteside this year.

lmao

 

[bajaden]

Yeah. I'm plenty tired of hearing about multi-team deals where half of the NBA plays musical chairs so that we can get Afflalo, but I'm not the least bit interested in moving Whiteside this year.

Ditto that!

 

[NME]

Yeah. I'm plenty tired of hearing about multi-team deals where half of the NBA plays musical chairs so that we can get Afflalo, but I'm not the least bit interested in moving Whiteside this year.

I was starting to think there was an offseason contest for the trade with the most movement and the least purpose.

 

[The Hammer]

lol we get involved to get afflalo again. why not deal whiteside and get afflalo directly?

I would not deal whiteside right now, for virtually anything. Reason is cause he has a chance to be a huge, huge, game impacting talent. We just don't know. Better to sit on something like that.

 

[Peter_Gibbons]

I don't like the idea of doing all that so we can have Afflalo become our starting SG of the future. I like Cisco better than Afflalo.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

we should move cousins, whiteside, landry so we can get nene and afflalo.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

we should move cousins, whiteside, landry so we can get nene and afflalo.

Perhaps a smidge over the top.

 

[Kingster]

Afflalo is an over-achieving relatively unathletic two guard. He's just not very talented, and is more suited to coming off the bench where he can match up against other underwhelming two-guards.

 

[sidney]

we should move cousins, whiteside, landry so we can get nene and afflalo.

No way Denver accepts that. This is Arron Afflalo we're talking about here. Game Changer.

 

[Megalodon]

No way Denver accepts that. This is Arron Afflalo we're talking about here. Game Changer.

Not to mention Nene is primed for an MVP or two in the coming years.

 

[bajaden]

I was reading the New York newspapers this morning and it seems the only thing holding up a deal for Melo is that Denver wants a first round pick included. The thought occurred to me that we could trade a future first for someone we wanted off the Knicks roster. We get Melo out of the west, which improves our chances at making the playoffs and maybe improve our team at the same time for an unknown in the future.

So I went and took a look at the Knicks roster. My first thought, was why in the hell does Anthony want to go there? Its certainly not about winning a championship, because that team is a long way from winning anything. But putting that aside, I decided that there wasn't anyone that leaped out, that I would want other than the obvious, such as Stoudemire, Gallinari, Randolph and Chandler. As far as I'm concerned, none of those fill a position of need on the team, and I'm sure at least one or possibly two are going to be included in whatever trade they make with Denver.

I'm not willing to trade a first round pick for Raymond Felton, or Roger Mason, or even the notorious Turiaf. Only one player appealed to me, and that was Kelenna Azubuike. He's a good defender, has the size at 6'5" and he's not a bad shooter. He's 27 years old, so he fits the youth movement. So I find myself trying to talk myself, into believing he could be the missing piece. So far its a tough sell. But in my opinion, thats the best the Knicks could do, and the best we could do off their roster if we were so inclined.

I have to wonder what Anthony is thinking though. The Knicks are going to give up some valuable pieces to aquire him. I'm not sure what they'll have left when the smoke clears. And I'm not sure he's worth all that. I don't know about you, but I'd rather be a Kings fan right now than a Knicks fan..

 

[Bricklayer]

I was reading the New York newspapers this morning and it seems the only thing holding up a deal for Melo is that Denver wants a first round pick included. The thought occurred to me that we could trade a future first for someone we wanted off the Knicks roster. We get Melo out of the west, which improves our chances at making the playoffs and maybe improve our team at the same time for an unknown in the future.

So I went and took a look at the Knicks roster. My first thought, was why in the hell does Anthony want to go there? Its certainly not about winning a championship, because that team is a long way from winning anything. But putting that aside, I decided that there wasn't anyone that leaped out, that I would want other than the obvious, such as Stoudemire, Gallinari, Randolph and Chandler. As far as I'm concerned, none of those fill a position of need on the team, and I'm sure at least one or possibly two are going to be included in whatever trade they make with Denver.

I'm not willing to trade a first round pick for Raymond Felton, or Roger Mason, or even the notorious Turiaf. Only one player appealed to me, and that was Kelenna Azubuike. He's a good defender, has the size at 6'5" and he's not a bad shooter. He's 27 years old, so he fits the youth movement. So I find myself trying to talk myself, into believing he could be the missing piece. So far its a tough sell. But in my opinion, thats the best the Knicks could do, and the best we could do off their roster if we were so inclined.

I have to wonder what Anthony is thinking though. The Knicks are going to give up some valuable pieces to aquire him. I'm not sure what they'll have left when the smoke clears. And I'm not sure he's worth all that. I don't know about you, but I'd rather be a Kings fan right now than a Knicks fan..

I think Anthony is going to be the first ever superstar who actually succumbs to that irresistible New York aura that the sportswriters here have been writing about incessantly for the past 30 years. Partly for his wife. Mostly because he's a wannabe. Its similar to the motivations that led Shaq to abandon his elite team to go to L.A. The purebred "big market advantage", and in Anthony's former wannabe thuglife case, probably a chance to collect up a posse of hangers on and spend his nights shooting up nightclubs and stripjoints.

 

[TheRaven]

There is no way I see us getting involved in any way with any 3-way 'Melo trade. What good young talent there is in the trade will be going Denver's way, and I don't see Afflalo coming our way as a huge boon.

As far as why 'Melo would go to NYK, I think it is a combination of factors. I am sure his wife would love it, he may really like the lifestyle himself, easier to keep a high profile in terms of marketing, he is friends with Amare, and he may be confident that over time they could put a team around he and Amare that could compete. I don't know that they could build a championship team around them considering they will have few assets and no draft picks for a long time, but I think they would certainly attract some free agents. At the least they could put a team together that is good enough to be solidly in the playoffs every year. If they get really lucky, maybe they manage to attract Chris Paul or another big name for their own big 3, in which case they could compete for a ring. Besides, not every player is completely driven to go to a team where they can win a championship the easiest or fastest.

 

[bajaden]

I think Anthony is going to be the first ever superstar who actually succumbs to that irresistible New York aura that the sportswriters here have been writing about incessantly for the past 30 years. Partly for his wife. Mostly because he's a wannabe. Its similar to the motivations that led Shaq to abandon his elite team to go to L.A. The purebred "big market advantage", and in Anthony's former wannabe thuglife case, probably a chance to collect up a posse of hangers on and spend his nights shooting up nightclubs and stripjoints.

You could be right. Hopefully not to that extreme, but it has to be about the aura of New York, because its certainly not about winning a championship. Expecially in the east where you have to get by Miami, Boston, and Orlando as the big three. Its possible that Amare and Melo would attract freeagents in the next offseason, similar to what LeBron, Wade, and Bosh did this offseason. The problem is, and no insult to Amare and Melo, but they don't add up LeBron and Wade, and thats not even counting Bosh. Secondly, no one knows what the new rules are going to be. What restrictions there will be on player movement etc.

I'm starting to think that Anthony isn't the brightest bulb in the pack. If he really wanted to win he'd agree to sign an extension with Houston which has extra first round picks, thanks ironicly, to New York. They have some young players that they could throw into the deal as well, such as Chase Budinger, Jordan Hill, and Patrick Patterson, and all on their original contracts, which Denver seems to want. With Yao coming back along with Martin, Scola, Battier, and Brooks, they would have a darn competitive team. But hey, what the hell do I know?