Quick semi-off topic note for whoever does the game thread later:
i hear you on lavine but I think 65 70 games is actually the norm for a lot of players in the league, we have been spoiled by the HBs of the world. Sabonis played 62 games in each of the three years leading up to the beam team year for example.
He won't jump ship but San Antonio owes him nothing. They'll probably agree to an extension in the offseason and it will be smooth sailing for a year or two but if he takes nights off San Antonio isn't going to be soft on him the way Kings fans/Sacramento are.Spurs being overly greedy are gonna have too many mouths to feed.
Go ahead pay Fox all that dough. Give Area 51 max. How many of those "youmg players they going to afford?
Fox could be gone in 2 years. As a klitch crony I could see him jumping ship again, then that pick is worth a lot more than ppl think.
I'd rather have their pick outright than a swap.
One big question we have to ask is how much of LaVine's success this year is playing with two elite passing PGs in Giddy/Ball...He will not have that luxury with Monk and Carter.
Don't forget that two of those were COVID seasons, with 73 and 72 games total. Which means he played 86% of games those seasons, not 76% - a decent difference.
He won't jump ship but San Antonio owes him nothing. They'll probably agree to an extension in the offseason and it will be smooth sailing for a year or two but if he takes nights off San Antonio isn't going to be soft on him the way Kings fans/Sacramento are.
Dude always turns into an absolute sniper against usbe nice to not Randle rip us a new one for once
Spurs fans seem to think Paul will remain in the starting lineupI wonder how happy Paul is to come off the bench? He sucked as a warrior and has been pretty good this year
Spurs fans seem to think Paul will remain in the starting lineup
Getting Craig for cheap would make a lot of sense. He's old but he can shoot and would give us a little bench scoring.
I'm over Lyles. He's just not getting the job done. His season has been abysmal outside of 3 or 4 games where he went off.
Spurs fans seem to think Paul will remain in the starting lineup
San Antonio is a storied program. And they basically got him free. The assumption is San Antonio will just max him like we would have but now that he's there why should they? They can play hardball with him just like they did with us. And taking a quarter or a game off here and there is never going to fly there. Will be very interesting to see how he responds to actually having expectations with no threat of being able to derail a franchise or being able to get the fanbase to turn on the franchise. Life in San Antonio will be very different for sure.the biggest concern with Fox is does the contract age well. If he continues to shoot 32ish percent from 3 and plays inconsistent defense things might not look aa good when he ages. It’s also possible his defense becomes great becuse he will be playing next to a good defender in castle and the alien behind him to clean up any mess
Honestly, I don’t think his game will age well. His shooting is not consistent and he relies a lot on athleticism and that will drop off. Two, not sure how good Spurs rehab program is since the Kawhi debacleSan Antonio is a storied program. And they basically got him free. The assumption is San Antonio will just max him like we would have but now that he's there why should they? They can play hardball with him just like they did with us. And taking a quarter or a game off here and there is never going to fly there. Will be very interesting to see how he responds to actually having expectations with no threat of being able to derail a franchise or being able to get the fanbase to turn on the franchise. Life in San Antonio will be very different for sure.
How did we not get at least the ATL pick???
Because Klutch played hardball and really told every other team in the league not to bother.How did we not get at least the ATL pick???
Craig is an end of the bench guy, can’t rely on him to give you shooting and scoring. Agreed on Lyles, he’s a 4th big at best, relying on him as your 1st big off the bench is above his head.
Kings fans: Lavine is injured too often!
Also Kings fans: Trade for Zion!
Honestly, I don’t think his game will age well. His shooting is not consistent and he relies a lot on athleticism and that will drop off. Two, not sure how good Spurs rehab program is since the Kawhi debacle
Kinda lost respect for Fox on this one.Because Klutch played hardball and really told every other team in the league not to bother.
I would not be surprised... not because of any ill will towards DeAaron, but that's what seems to happen with guys on that max contract that are not full blown superstars. Still a super valuable player, but the contract makes things hard. See a player like Zach Lavine....Will be ironic if he gets squeezed out in a couple years because Castle ends up developing like they obviously think he will and decide the 60M Fox is getting is better spent elsewhere
Pretty much the only way he can get it back is if he does what every true Sacramento Kings legend does and works for the Kings, raises a family in Sac, or otherwise becomes an ambassador of some such for the org post playing career. I can't imagine he does that, he wanted out this bad. Maybe the business end of basketball will smack him hard in the face now that he got his wish and he'll realize what he had here was unique. Time will tell.Kinda lost respect for Fox on this one.
Also because what is San Antonio's investment. Not like they gave up any high value picks or players in this deal. Paul got Fox what he wanted but his value around the league remains an unknown because of how he did it.I would not be surprised... not because of any ill will towards DeAaron, but that's what seems to happen with guys on that max contract that are not full blown superstars. Still a super valuable player, but the contract makes things hard. See a player like Zach Lavine....
Collins and Johnson make too much to fit the TPE.
It’s one of the bigs on the market (Time Lord?!, Jonas, Portis) or someone out of left field.
Williams from this bunch imoSeems like this is full on Domas' team now. Bring on Jonas!
It's hard to imagine PJ being available considering how injury prone AD is, but they made Luka available ( to 1 team only but still) so who knows. Your constructed team would be 4-5 seed material imoThe problem is that we saw how bad our defense was starting Fox, Monk, DeRozan, Murray, and Sabonis. Now that defense is getting worse by swapping Fox for LaVine.
DeRozan is the obvious guy to swap out for many reasons…
- He’s considerably older than the rest of our core. Would make sense to try and extend our window more by swapping him for someone younger.
- Moving him and getting a PF allows us to improve our size/length (pushing Murray back to SF) or we just swap DeRozan for a bigger/longer SF
- He’s not a good 3PT shooter, and if we replace him with a good shooter, we all of a sudden replaced two poor 3PT shooters (Fox & DeRozan) for two good 3PT shooters (LaVine & ???). That would be a significant change to the offense and spacing and maybe that ends up unlocking Sabonis that much more when the other 4 guys on the floor with him can hit 3s at a very good rate
- He’s a weak defender at a position where we don’t have good defensive depth. Murray is the only good forward defender on the roster. I’d much rather swap DeRozan out for another good forward defender (giving us 2 good for wed defenders) vs. trading Monk for amother good guard defender (when we already have Ellis and Carter on the roster)
If you can somehow leverage the 1sts and 2nds you just acquired to bring in Cam Johnson, PJ Washington, and Day’Ron Sharpe, you have a pretty interesting team. A starting lineup of…
Monk
LaVine
Johnson
Murray
Sabonis
…is a TON of shooting and nobody is going to be able to go under on Sabonis’ screens with those guys (otherwise, they’ll just pull from 3). That’s going to give Sabonis a lot more space in the lane when he rolls to the basket.
Then off the bench you have…
At that point, we’re talking about a merged trade of…
- Your two defensive aces at guard in Ellis and Carter
- A big, long, athletic forward in Washington (7’2.5” wingspan, 8’11” standing reach, & 230 lbs) who can do a little of everything (shoot, score, defend, rebound, block shots, pass)
- A PF/C who can stretch the floor and bring some toughness in Lyles
- An upgrade at C in Sharpe who can help keep the team afloat while Sabonis rests
Fox
DeRozan
Huerter
McLaughlin
for
Lavine
Johnson
Washington
Sharpe
…I think you’d see the fanbase come around more if that’s how this trade deadline ends up working out because at the very least the team would finally have a balanced roster.