Danny Granger

[Sac.1989]

Granger Made Available By The Pacers?

http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/01/granger-made-available-by-the-pacers/

Is it time for Danny Granger to move on? The Pacers‘ front office is contemplating it. From Marc Stein: “One source with knowledge of Indiana’s thinking, however, said this week that the Pacers — 6-11 and fading since their big November wins over the Heat and Lakers — have not dismissed every recent proposal that includes Granger. Another source insisted to ESPN.com that the Pacers, although they naturally would be seeking a lot in return, quietly listened to a few Granger pitches last season, as well. [...] Roy Hibbert, despite his own December fade, has emerged as the more untouchable piece in Indiana’s eyes than Granger, who is shooting just 41.6 percent from the field, is going to the free throw line just 5.1 times per game as he too often settles for jumpers … and has three pricey years left on his contract after this season valued at $40 million.”

 

[Sac.1989]

we should jump on this and do whatever it takes bar trading our key youngsters in order to get him if this is true

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

No way in hell the Maloofs will take on his contract.

 

[Bricklayer]

No way in hell the Maloofs will take on his contract.

Sure they would -- that's exactly the type of contract they WOULD take on.

Not wasting money on old vets who do nothing but bore the tears out of you =/= the same as not spending money on a star. He's as good or better than anybody else you are going to speng money on ths summer, so this sort of thing would clearly fall into the no brainer sort of category.

And obviously for a guy like Granger, talentwise you would say that anybody byt Reke + Cousins would be on the table, and the pick obviously. But fitwise I do wonder a little. Could there actually be enough shots to go aroudn to keep Rke/Cousins AND a Danny Granger in rhythm? A key thing is that Danny Granger can do a lot more than score, and really has been shooting too much in Indiana -- he's not a #1 option. So if you could get him to dial it back, to be a 20pt Granger with great defense etc., well you have to take a real look at that. We have youth, we have picks, if Indy were moving Granger that is exactly what would be needed to get it done.

In any case, Indiana has a lot of wings, and no PF. They would very likely want Casspi, and you might actually have a taker on Landry (I'd try to keep JT away since a non-shooting roleplayer then becomes perfect for our revamped lineup. They are in the same position as us and angling for a big FA summer so they won't want to take back salary other than a kid like Casspi, and of course we are in the same position on extra salary since we are are so far under the cap. In other words Casspi/Landry/our #1 +? might actually be a ballpark offer for them if they are actually serious. And we've done numerous deals with that front office over the years (not particularly to either team's advantage mind you, but still, we seem to have a pipeline).

Its hard not to be intrigued by:

Cousins/Daly
JT/Whiteside (roleplayer position)
Granger/Greene
Cisco/Beno (roleplayer position)
Evans

And STILL having significant money to spend during the summer to add or switch up the roleplayer mix.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

Sure they would -- that's exactly the type of contract they WOULD take on.

Not wasting money on old vets who do nothign but bore the tears out of you =/= the same as not spending money on a star.

And obviously for a guy like Granger, talentwise you would say that anybody byt Reke + Cousins would be on the table, and the pick obviously. But fitwise I do wonder a little. Could there actually be enough shots to go aroudn to keep Rke/Cousins AND a Danny Granger in rhythm? A key thing is that Danny Granger can do a lot more than score, and really has been shooting too much in Indiana -- he's not a #1 option. So if you could get him to dial it back, to be a 20pt Granger with great defense etc., well you have to take a real look at that. We have youth, we have picks, if Indy were moving Granger that is exactly what would be needed to get it done.

You have more confidence in The Maloofs than I do. They'd consider trading Casspi and Garcia for expirings just so they could dump Garcia's ten million over two years. That doesn't give me much hope that they'd be willing to take on Granger's 40+ million over 4 years. Unless Indy was taking Garcia and Beno in the deal, now that's a deal The Maloofs would actually do, lol.

 

[rainmaker]

This is the type of guy I would have no problem inculding Omri in a trade for. I might go as far as offering Omri, our pick, and Landry/Dally, although I'm not sure what would be needed to make something like that work, because we should also be able to absorb some of his contract given how far under the cap we are.

Point being, Granger is exactly the type of player this team needs to make a jump. I watch him every now and then with Ind, and watched him with team usa all summer, and I have to say when not the 1st option of offense, and was the situation last summer, he's a very, very good all around player. It seems taking the scoring burden off him lets other parts of his game flourish.

Playing next tyreke and cousins, he could actually be more effective IMO. Less of an offensive burden will bring out his rebounding and defense even more, and on offense he'd still be a great 2nd or 3rd option which most playoff teams have.

This is where Reynolds needs to use his friendship with Larry Bird to instigate a trade.

 

[Bricklayer]

You have more confidence in The Maloofs than I do. They'd consider trading Casspi and Garcia for expirings just so they could dump Garcia's ten million over two years. That doesn't give me much hope that they'd be willing to take on Granger's 40+ million over 4 years. Unless Indy was taking Garcia and Beno in the deal, now that's a deal The Maloofs would actually do, lol.

Your consistent inability to understand why the Kings, or any team for that matter, is not enthusiastic about paying a 10ppg player $5mil a year astounds me.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

This is the type of guy I would have no problem inculding Omri in a trade for. I might go as far as offering Omri, our pick, and Landry/Dally, although I'm not sure what would be needed to make something like that work, because we should also be able to absorb some of his contract given how far under the cap we are.

Point being, Granger is exactly the type of player this team needs to make a jump. I watch him every now and then with Ind, and watched him with team usa all summer, and I have to say when not the 1st option of offense, and was the situation last summer, he's a very, very good all around player. It seems taking the scoring burden off him lets other parts of his game flourish.

Playing next tyreke and cousins, he could actually be more effective IMO. Less of an offensive burden will bring out his rebounding and defense even more, and on offense he'd still be a great 2nd or 3rd option which most playoff teams have.

This is where Reynolds needs to use his friendship with Larry Bird to instigate a trade.

Dalembert/Landry Casspi and the pick seems like an awful lot. Seems like a no-brainer for the Pacers. They move a big contract, take back 15 million in expiring which puts them well under the cap, and enter the draft with two top 10 picks. I don't think there's a team in the leauge who could give them more than that for Granger right now, but is Granger really worth that much?

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

Your consistent inability to understand why the Kings, or any team for that matter, is not enthusiastic about paying a 10ppg player $5mil a year astounds me.

Give me a break. I never said anything even remotely implying that I don't understand why Garcia's contract isn't ideal. In fact, if you'd actually read my posts instead of making silly assumptions, I've stated as much on several occasions. That does not mean however that it's wise to give up your 3rd most promising player just to move a contract that while not ideal, is far from crippling. That's the type of move that comes back to bite you in the behind a few years down the road when Casspi is averaging 15 and 7.

 

[Bricklayer]

Dalembert/Landry Casspi and the pick seems like an awful lot. Seems like a no-brainer for the Pacers. They move a big contract, take back 15 million in expiring which puts them well under the cap, and enter the draft with two top 10 picks. I don't think there's a team in the leauge who could give them more than that for Granger right now, but is Granger really worth that much?

They don't need Dalembert AND Landry -- they are going to be far under the cap next year, and merely dumping Granger's salary in and of itself gives them the room. Taking enders back doesn't change their cap position -- that's only a valuabel tactic when the other team has to match salaries in a trade, and you don't want those salaries to remain longterm. Since we are so far under the cap, we don't have to match salaries, so we can just take their big contract and send nothing at all back -- a nice little advantage mind you of the shed all your salary approach the Kings have taken that you are constantly complaining about. Landry would make sense though, since he's cheap, and they have a huge hole at that positon. Then he comes off the books this summer. Dalembert makes much less sense, since they already have Hibbert, don't need Dalembert to match salaries in the trade, and probably are not going to be interested in paying the guy an extra $6mil in salary for the remainder fo the year.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

that's only a valuabel tactic when the other team has to match salaries in a trade, and you don't want those salaries to remain longterm. Since we are so far under the cap, we don't have to match salaries, so we can just take their big contract and send nothing at all back

Thanks for clearing that up, I’ve often wondered how that worked.

a nice little advantage mind you of the shed all your salary approach the Kings have taken that you are constantly complaining about.

I complain because they’ve been dumping the contracts of their best players for more than half a decade now and so far, it’s never been used in a way that makes the team better. They just traded away their best players for little in return then used the money on mediocre players.

 

[Bballkingsrock]

Sure they would -- that's exactly the type of contract they WOULD take on.

Not wasting money on old vets who do nothing but bore the tears out of you =/= the same as not spending money on a star. He's as good or better than anybody else you are going to speng money on ths summer, so this sort of thing would clearly fall into the no brainer sort of category.

And obviously for a guy like Granger, talentwise you would say that anybody byt Reke + Cousins would be on the table, and the pick obviously. But fitwise I do wonder a little. Could there actually be enough shots to go aroudn to keep Rke/Cousins AND a Danny Granger in rhythm? A key thing is that Danny Granger can do a lot more than score, and really has been shooting too much in Indiana -- he's not a #1 option. So if you could get him to dial it back, to be a 20pt Granger with great defense etc., well you have to take a real look at that. We have youth, we have picks, if Indy were moving Granger that is exactly what would be needed to get it done.

In any case, Indiana has a lot of wings, and no PF. They would very likely want Casspi, and you might actually have a taker on Landry (I'd try to keep JT away since a non-shooting roleplayer then becomes perfect for our revamped lineup. They are in the same position as us and angling for a big FA summer so they won't want to take back salary other than a kid like Casspi, and of course we are in the same position on extra salary since we are are so far under the cap. In other words Casspi/Landry/our #1 +? might actually be a ballpark offer for them if they are actually serious. And we've done numerous deals with that front office over the years (not particularly to either team's advantage mind you, but still, we seem to have a pipeline).

Its hard not to be intrigued by:

Cousins/Daly
JT/Whiteside (roleplayer position)
Granger/Greene
Cisco/Beno (roleplayer position)
Evans

And STILL having significant money to spend during the summer to add or switch up the roleplayer mix.

This would be a great and realistic trade for the Kings.

Our first rounder, omri, and landry would be a pretty fair trade for both sides. We could also have another trade with Dalembert for either a Randolph/Douglas deal with NY or possibly a Verajo deal with Cavs.

The Maloofs must spend a little money to get this team back in the spotlight and with just shedding contracts, nothing will happen. This trade deadline coming up will be very important for the future because the Kings do have some good trade bait with Daly, Landry, Omri + 1st rounder for the right deal etc.

Lets see this organization pounce on a player like this

 

[kingsboi]

I would love to add Granger to this team. What worries me though is giving up too much for him, I know they would want a first round pick and a young player plus expirings I'm sure. I don't know if I'm willing to give up a lottery protected pick for him because I'd rather take my chance on a PG in this years draft and go from there.

 

[Sac.1989]

basically comes down to if we want to include our pick here. Happily ship casspi and landry off for danny

 

[Dr. Spaceman]

Does anyone have a good recollection of Granger's defense for Team USA over the summer? I watched the games but his contribution is a lot hazier in my mind compared to guys like Durant, Rose and Westbrook. It seemed like for many of the games I saw, he could hardly get into the games.

As for his role on our team if he were to come over, I have to wonder about his passing ability. His career year last season saw him with the ball in his hands a lot, but on offense he seemed like he was more of a volume scorer than a playmaker. So does anyone who knows his game well think those 3 assists/game from last season would translate if he were to come over as a 3rd option?

We need these guys (mainly the hypothetical trio of Reke, Cuz and Granger) to be able to play off of each other well -- we don't need another K-Mart situation where guys are just taking turns on offense.

 

[Sac.1989]

he lost playing time to the likes of iggy and gay because of his lack of effort on D. He can defend though but has gone backwards due to his need to score with the pacers.

I have no doubt that if we made it a fundamental note that he defend he would. I do remember reading somewhere that the pacers actually did draft him with the intention of him becoming a similar player to artest

 

[rainmaker]

Does anyone have a good recollection of Granger's defense for Team USA over the summer? I watched the games but his contribution is a lot hazier in my mind compared to guys like Durant, Rose and Westbrook. It seemed like for many of the games I saw, he could hardly get into the games.

As for his role on our team if he were to come over, I have to wonder about his passing ability. His career year last season saw him with the ball in his hands a lot, but on offense he seemed like he was more of a volume scorer than a playmaker. So does anyone who knows his game well think those 3 assists/game from last season would translate if he were to come over as a 3rd option?

We need these guys (mainly the hypothetical trio of Reke, Cuz and Granger) to be able to play off of each other well -- we don't need another K-Mart situation where guys are just taking turns on offense.

His defense was very good. I was teh first time I had seen him play, and not ne the #1 option, and he fit in real well.

He both a good team and individual defender. Good rebounder as well. And took better shoots, probably because he had to be more selective playing with better talent. He was also a very willing passer, and as someone who can post up opposing wings, can draw doubles and move the ball. Would really be a great fit here.

 

[Kevin's Good Feet]

Granger's reputation coming into the league was that he was a very good defender. He has regressed since those days though. When Jim O'Brien says you can be playing a little harder on defense then you know you are slacking. As far as rebounding he's probably comparable to Peja's production with the Kings, i.e. not very impressive given his size.

I have no doubt this will get fixed if he comes over here and plays with Tyreke and Cousins, though.

 

[ParniValjak]

This would be perfect for us!

He is on a reasonable contract and would prvide us with a genuine 3rd option and star who is a great shooter and a good defender. He is young enough to still be playing at a high level when we start contending.

If we could pull off this deal and also somehow sign or trade JaVale McGee or someone similar to play next to Cousins as a shot blocking defensive presence and we would be set for the forseeable future.

Chances are that we are highly unlikely to attract anyone of equal or better quality as Granger in free agency.

Cousins - Grander - Evans is a great trio to have as a core and to build around. Bring in some complementary role players to fill out the roster and we could really have a very quick turnaround here.

 

[Hansel]

I'd like to keep this year first round pick and Casspi too, maybe throwing in Whiteside. I'd try something like Landry+Greene(+Whiteside if necessary)+2012 first round pick without any protection.

 

[Bricklayer]

I'd like to keep this year first round pick and Casspi too, maybe throwing in Whiteside. I'd try something like Landry+Greene(+Whiteside if necessary)+2012 first round pick without any protection.

This is a major star you are talking about. We'd be lucky to escpae with the 2011 1st/Casspi/Landry package. You have to consider not only does your package have to be strong enough to tempt a team to give up its best player, but your package has to be stronger than that put forth by any of 29 other teams who going to have an interest. Maybe 28 because the Heat have no room. And its not a bidding war you can afford to fail. A Cousins/Evans/Granger trio would be right there with just about any trio in the league except the Heat's. You would have virtually guaranteed yourself playoff runs and a firm team structure where everybody knows their roles and you just have to fill in around the edges. You can't get cheap in the face of that, and frankly if it happened there would be no minutes for Omri, and little time to waste starting another kid from scratch from the draft -- we'd be looking to win next year. Nor would that #1 be as high either as we'd likely win considerably more games post trade this season. In any case, takes two to tango.

 

[upinsmoke]

I also thought about this the other day, I feel it would be nice move to get Granger but I dont feel Casspi has to be involved in the deal. If the Pacers Have Granger on the table then there obviously in full rebuilding mode. This would be my offer.


Dally/Landry in exchange for Granger / tjFord / 1st rounder

If they dont bite then throw in Casspi but it would be hard seeing how hard of a worker he is.

 

[TheWileyVet]

This is the definition of a pipe dream

 

[LWP777]

I also thought about this the other day, I feel it would be nice move to get Granger but I dont feel Casspi has to be involved in the deal. If the Pacers Have Granger on the table then there obviously in full rebuilding mode. This would be my offer.


Dally/Landry in exchange for Granger / tjFord / 1st rounder

If they dont bite then throw in Casspi but it would be hard seeing how hard of a worker he is.

You aren't serious, are you?

 

[Capt. Factorial]

He is on a reasonable contract and would prvide us with a genuine 3rd option and star who is a great shooter and a good defender.

$13M a year for three years is a reasonable contract for a third option?

 

[Bricklayer]

$13M a year for three years is a reasonable contract for a third option?

yes.

$13 mil a year for three years for Danny Granger is reasonable. You buy him on the open market you are paying max. And with Reke/Cousins so young the Granger deal runs out before you have to really start paying all three guys.

 

[Kingstime]

Glad to see this in discussion here, I saw the same article on another fan board.

If I was Petrie I don't care if you all call me crazy but you throw our first, Casspi and the choice of Landry and Dally for Granger. I have no doubt our team as a whole will vault into win now mode with him as our starting 3, he is arguably a top 5 SF right now behind Bron,Melo and KD. Some would say I'm over hyping him, but I don't care there isn't a guy like him on the upcoming free agent list either.

You can't keep Casspi for the simple reason that Granger will play 30-35 mins a night, this is where Greene's ability for spot minutes here and there comes in to play. Casspi is a emerging player with a hunger to become better and better, he won't be happy playing spot minutes.

This is the exact trade that would give the franchise a much needed shot in the arm, if it's possible Petrie needs to do it.

However I won't get my hopes up hahaha but I sure can dream.

 

[UK_King]

He really would push us to the next level... heavy duty player.

 

[Sluggah]

Not sure Indy has forgotten about the last time we swapped SFs. Might be a little bitter.

 

[bajaden]

Thanks for clearing that up, I’ve often wondered how that worked.



I complain because they’ve been dumping the contracts of their best players for more than half a decade now and so far, it’s never been used in a way that makes the team better. They just traded away their best players for little in return then used the money on mediocre players.

You've noted several times that we better get something of value back for Landry because of the Martin trade. Well if he nets us Granger, I think everyone would be happy.. By the way, not taking back salary enables the Pacers to save money in this fiscal year since they wouldn't have to pay Grangers salary for the second half of the season.