Dalembert, Landry, Thompson to Utah for Millsap, Kirilenko, Elson

[shemtheo]

I'm a Jazz fan and have a Jazz-Kings trade possibility that I'd like to bounce off you Kings fans. It works under ESPN's trade machine and I think it could be beneficial to both of our teams.

Utah's Kirilenko, Millsap, and Francisco for Sacramento's Dalembert, Carl Landry and Jason Thompson.

This trade would give the Kings the following lineups units:

Center....D.Cousins....Elson, Whiteside
PF..........Millsap........Krilienko, D.Jackson
SF..........Kirilenko......F.Garcia, Casspi, D.Greene
SG..........T.Evans......F.Garcia, L.Head
PG..........B.Udrih........T.Evans, P.Jeter

And the Jazz the following units:

Center....Dalembert....Memo, J. Thompson, Fesenko
PF..........Jefferson.....Landry, Memo, J. Thompson
SF..........Miles..........Hayward, Evans
SG..........Bell............Miles, Hayward, Price
PG..........DWill..........Watson, Price

The premise for this trade is that the Jazz need more length, shot blocking and athleticism in the front court. While they hate to give up either Millsap or Al Jefferson, the truth is that they are both quality starting PFs. Al is a right-sized PF and Paul is an undersized one. Al is simply not quite big enough to play the Center spot, especially if he's playing next to an undersized PF in Millsap. You just can't beat the best with two undersized big men.

Meanwhile, the Kings have different problems: too many quality big men and way too much youth. I understand you've had trouble finding playing time for both Carl Landry and Jason Thompson.

This trade would give the Jazz a lot more length and athleticism in the front court and would give Sacramento solid veterans in Millsap at the PF, Kirilenko at the SF, and Francisco Elson at backup Center to build around the young talent of Tyreke Evans and Cousins.

Thoughts?

 

[JJ22L]

This is how I see this:

Utah gets:
2 valuable expiring contracts - the Kings' most important trade bait.
A serviceable power-forward

Kings get:
An undersized power-forward - a type we have seen MANY times and has consistently been a burden
An injury prone 30 year old small-forward who is nearing the end of his days and, for me at least, has lost his "star" notoriety
An older center that has really just been a journey-man

If this was proposed when Kirilenko was still a "5x5" man, we may have something to discuss. Otherwise, it just seems like we are getting screwed.

(edit) Hmm..on second thought....I failed to thoroughly research the contracts.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/utah.htm

We would be trading 15.5mil in expiring contracts for 17.8 mil in AK47's expiring contract and Thompson for Elson/Milsap. If that's the case, I may change my mind.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Why not just a Dalembert for AK47+cash swap? Both are expiring (and the the cash could help make up the difference) but would serve each teams' needs better. Kings need a shotblocker that's mobile enough to pair at PF with Cousins, and the Jazz need a shotblocker at C to push Jefferson to PF. Seems like both teams would get that here.

 

[JJ22L]

Why not just a Dalembert for AK47+cash swap? Both are expiring (and the the cash could help make up the difference) but would serve each teams' needs better. Kings need a shotblocker that's mobile enough to pair at PF with Cousins, and the Jazz need a shotblocker at C to push Jefferson to PF. Seems like both teams would get that here.

I am not criticizing your comment, I would just like further clarification:

1.) Dalembert's contract < Kirilenko's contract. Why would they send money to us?
2.) Kirilenko (at least in my opinion) doesn't have the frame to be a PF. Why are you positioning him there?
3.) Dalembert's blocks/game > Kirilenko's. Your premise is that each team needs a shotblocker, but we would be doing a trade that essentially just swaps shotblockers. I don't see the rationale (I guess maybe based off of position?).

Regardless, I want to see peoples' reaction to the OP simply based on the Thompson for Milsap aspect.

 

[Kingstime]

I don't like the trade mainly because we need to keep our size and neither of our rookie bugs are ready for full time minutes. The Jazz most definately are only really a legit starting shotblocking center away from giving the Lakers a run though.

This trade proposal brings up another question though... if we were in charge of the money how much do you give Dally?? We have been waiting for a goalie at our rim and they are rare as hell to find these days. We do have Whiteside but he is getting zero mins anywhere to get NBA ready. Anybody think resigning Dally should be top priority until Whiteside is ready? Shotblocking non injury probes bigs are always tradeable down the line no matter the contract IMO.

 

[Spike]

I don't like the trade mainly because we need to keep our size and neither of our rookie bugs are ready for full time minutes. The Jazz most definately are only really a legit starting shotblocking center away from giving the Lakers a run though.

This trade proposal brings up another question though... if we were in charge of the money how much do you give Dally?? We have been waiting for a goalie at our rim and they are rare as hell to find these days. We do have Whiteside but he is getting zero mins anywhere to get NBA ready. Anybody think resigning Dally should be top priority until Whiteside is ready? Shotblocking non injury probes bigs are always tradeable down the line no matter the contract IMO.

I do. Until I start reading some "Whiteside is ready to push for playing time" articles, it would be silly to get rid of Dalembert. Unfortunately, Cousins is showing a tremendous amount of growth, meaning Dally's minutes will decline noticeably over the next few years, so he'd end up being an overpaid shotblocker on backup minutes. 'Tis certainly a dilemma.

 

[Kingstime]

I do. Until I start reading some "Whiteside is ready to push for playing time" articles, it would be silly to get rid of Dalembert. Unfortunately, Cousins is showing a tremendous amount of growth, meaning Dally's minutes will decline noticeably over the next few years, so he'd end up being an overpaid shotblocker on backup minutes. 'Tis certainly a dilemma.

Big-time dilemma I think our big goal right now for the rest of the season is to get Landry outta here so we can get Whiteside outta that suit.

 

[Spok22]

I do. Until I start reading some "Whiteside is ready to push for playing time" articles, it would be silly to get rid of Dalembert. Unfortunately, Cousins is showing a tremendous amount of growth, meaning Dally's minutes will decline noticeably over the next few years, so he'd end up being an overpaid shotblocker on backup minutes. 'Tis certainly a dilemma.

Westphaul could always use the pairing of cousins at pf and dalembert at c. It's worked pretty decently so far and most likely both players will get consistent minutes. I dont see why we shouldnt continue it.

 

[beb0p]

Meanwhile, the Kings have different problems: too many quality big men and way too much youth. I understand you've had trouble finding playing time for both Carl Landry and Jason Thompson.

This trade would give the Jazz a lot more length and athleticism in the front court and would give Sacramento solid veterans in Millsap at the PF, Kirilenko at the SF, and Francisco Elson at backup Center to build around the young talent of Tyreke Evans and Cousins.

Thoughts?

The Kings are NOT going to give up THREE productive big men all at once. This trade leaves us very thin (and very small) up front, even with Millsap and Elson coming in. Elson is over the hill and should not play more than 5 mins a game, so we're putting a lot of pressure on a rookie center to stay out of foul trouble and another rookie center to learn quickly on the fly; not a smart thing to do. No Kings fans want to see a Darnell Jackson/Paul Millsap front court because the two rookies are resting or in foul trouble.

But, if you replace Jason Thompson with Donte Greene in your trade proposal and now we're talking.

 

[SacTownKid]

I'd say Millsap is an easy upgrade over Landry/Thompson individually and is well worth his contract. Great way to turn two guys that are gone this summer anyway and a lesser player in JT into something better IMO. I'd do it.

 

[LPKingsFan]

I am not criticizing your comment, I would just like further clarification:

1.) Dalembert's contract < Kirilenko's contract. Why would they send money to us?
2.) Kirilenko (at least in my opinion) doesn't have the frame to be a PF. Why are you positioning him there?
3.) Dalembert's blocks/game > Kirilenko's. Your premise is that each team needs a shotblocker, but we would be doing a trade that essentially just swaps shotblockers. I don't see the rationale (I guess maybe based off of position?).

Regardless, I want to see peoples' reaction to the OP simply based on the Thompson for Milsap aspect.

It's precisely about position. Cousins and Dalembert can't seem to play major minutes together since both play C. OP would rather shift Jefferson to PF. So, Jazz get a C who can block shots, and the Kings get a forward who can block shots next to Cousins. Position is the major factor.

And yes, Dalembert's contract is cheaper than AK47's. Thus, the Jazz could send $3 million to help offset the fact the Kings would be paying more in salary.

 

[bajaden]

I'd say Millsap is an easy upgrade over Landry/Thompson individually and is well worth his contract. Great way to turn two guys that are gone this summer anyway and a lesser player in JT into something better IMO. I'd do it.

Hmmm! Just how much of a lesser player is JT? Milsap plays around 34 minutes a game and averages, 16.9 PPG and 7.8 RPG. Obviously JT doesn't average that many minutes a game, so a total comparison doesn't work well. But if you take the majority of games that JT averaged over 28 minutes a game, this is what you get. 16.1 PPG and 9 RPG. I guess no has noticed that JT is playing better this year, which is amazing since he's been jerked around all year long.

I like Milsap, but he's not that much of an upgrade over Landry. And believe it or not, he's actually shorter than Landry, which makes it difficult for him to guard guys like Aldridge. I wouldn't object to Milsap on the team, but I don't want to give up Thompson to get him. Thompson is 6'11" and can play both PF and C.. JT can guard both PF's an C's. You'd be hard pressed to find a center in the league that Milsap can guard.

Milsap has two more years remaining on his contract at $8,923,802.00 next year and $9.5 million the following year. JT has two years as well with the second year being a qualifing offer year. His salary for next season is for $3,001,284.00. So you would be paying Milsap close to 6 mil a year more than JT. Sorry, I'll pass. I'd rather resign Landry for 4 or 5 mil a year, and give up nothing. If we want Kirilenko, we can go after him in freeagency.