Cousin's low blow to Mayo: Another fine/suspension coming?

Bricklayer

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LWP777 said:
Here we go again....

Seems like every 2 weeks we have a big debate on something DMC has done. Most here take his side and say that the incident is being overblown. I have made my feelings about DMC very clear on this forum. At what point exactly do we start to place the blame on him? Why is it always HIM that's involved in these conflicts?
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Most here have done worse or had worse done to them.

It is overblown becuase it is overblown. What a bunch of ninnies. That goes for OJ Mayo too, who got his *** kicked by his own teammate on a plane a couple of years ago for being such a prick. Now he gets to talk about other people acting up?

Cousins is always going to be chippy, maybe even stray into a little cheap at times. Big deal. So was Larry Bird. Its neither laudable nor a hanging offense.
 
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Bricklayer said:
Most here have done worse or had worse done to them.

It is overblown becuase it is overblown. What a bunch of ninnies. That goes for OJ Mayo too, who got his *** kicked by his own teammate on a plane a couple of years ago for being such a prick. Now he gets to talk about other people acting up?

Cousins is always going to be chippy, maybe even stray into a little cheap at times. Big deal. So was Larry Bird. Its neither laudable nor a hanging offense.
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I don't disagree that this particular incident very well could be overblown. My point is that he has been in the middle of many of these "overblown" issues. They can't all be overblown can they? What line does he have to cross before we come to the conclusion that he's got serious issues?
 
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Bricklayer said:
Most here have done worse or had worse done to them.

It is overblown becuase it is overblown. What a bunch of ninnies. That goes for OJ Mayo too, who got his *** kicked by his own teammate on a plane a couple of years ago for being such a prick. Now he gets to talk about other people acting up?

Cousins is always going to be chippy, maybe even stray into a little cheap at times. Big deal. So was Larry Bird. Its neither laudable nor a hanging offense.
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You're right, this incident falls into the category of chippy and cheap but what about punching Donte Greene last year? What about getting into it with coaches, trainers, referees, etc? Are those things that Larry Bird did too? And are we really putting Larry Bird and DeMarcus Cousins in the same sentence?
 
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LWP777 said:
You're right, this incident falls into the category of chippy and cheap but what about punching Donte Greene last year? What about getting into it with coaches, trainers, referees, etc? Are those things that Larry Bird did too? And are we really putting Larry Bird and DeMarcus Cousins in the same sentence?
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Had he ever punch anyone again after the Greene incident?

I mean, come on now. We all know Cousins has character issues before we even draft him. And most of us thought it was because he was too young and too immature, but it's not something that cannot be fixed.

Would you rather have the softy Monroe then?
 
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As long as he keeps playing well I couldn't care less about these minor incidents, I don't care if he talks crap if he can back it up. As far as the Mayo thing, Mayo is as much to blame for intentionally fouling Cousins while he was going for the ball, what Mayo did was instigate the whole event if hes not grabbing Cousins he doesn't take one to the nuts. You need 1 nasty/borderline dirty type player on every team we have to many nice guys other than Cousins on the team.
 
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bajaden said:
OK, I blame him for knocking away O'Mayo's hand! Satisfied? Now what? I also blame O'Mayo for grabbing Cousins arm! OK? Is that fair. You know what, in a game about a week ago, someone tripped over Cousins foot. I think he did it on purpose and we should probably ban him from the league. I think he scowled at another player one night as well. Thats probably another suspension and 15 thousand dollars. Maybe we should flog him publicly in the town square. Lets take out a one page add in the Bee with a giant picture of Cousins with BAD PERSON written under it. Anything else? I mean what would please you at Cousins expense.
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I have to disagree. It wasn't a hard shot, but it sure looked intentional to me. His left hand was holding Mayo's arm ... not sure how hitting with his right hand would dislodge Mayo's hand. If he was truly trying to move Mayo's arm out of the way his motion would have been more to clear his arm outwards as opposed to striking downwards.

See 13 second mark of the video. Just makes no sense whatever to hit in that manner - he knew exactly where Mayo's arm was because he was holding it with his left hand. His "blow" doesn't even touch Mayo's arm at all. I don't wish to contend whether this warrants a suspension or fine or whatever, but I do believe it was intentional.

 
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rhythmless

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Just saw the video. Not sure if some of you are seeing the same video. Mayo grabs DMC's arm. DMC doesn't shrug Mayo's arm away, he GRABS Mayo
s right arm with his left hand, then throws a downward stroke, not a fling or a shake, but a strike down in the vicinity of the area. He knows exactly where the area is too, because he's holding onto Mayo's arm.

It's not a big move, nor do I think it hurt Mayo, but I do think it was incredibly intentional and actually quite discreet in the game.
 
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If Ron Artest who has a far darker history got nothing for his intentional spinning backfist on Lin


Than this is complete crap if Cousins gets anything, on top of that Perkins and ZBo who had a altercation both only got fined.
 
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Glenn

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LWP777 said:
I don't disagree that this particular incident very well could be overblown. My point is that he has been in the middle of many of these "overblown" issues. They can't all be overblown can they? What line does he have to cross before we come to the conclusion that he's got serious issues?
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I doubt if there is anyone on this forum that doesn't think he has serious issues. Now what?
 
ParniValjak

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bajaden said:
I don't know what to say. Do some of you watch NBA basketball very much? Have you seen NBA centers and PF's fighting for positon? Are you telling me, that little hand tap is call for a suspension? If his name wasn't Cousins, none of this conversation would be happening. I've watched that replay about 15 times, and anyone that watches it and then says Cousins was trying to hit O'Mayo in the groin, is just seeing what they want to see. O'Mayo grabbed Cousins arm to keep him from getting position for a rebound. Cousins removed this hand and then batted it away with his right arm, and in the process, accidently hit him in the groin. I mean for gods sake, he wasn't even looking at O'Mayo.

Did anyone see O'Mayo crumble to the floor in pain? How bad could it have been. Looking at how surprised Cousins was when confronted by Mayo after the play, I don't even think he knew he hit him there. This kind of play happens over and over in just about every basketball game. Far worse things than that have happened with no fine or suspension. I'm sorry, if Cousins had thrown an elbow, or even turned around and shoved O'Mayo, I'd be on board. But slapping away another players hand happens all the time. And usually if its flagrant enough, the ref will call a foul. But they don't fine you or suspend you for it.
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Couldn't have said it better myself!
 
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Prince_XY said:
Had he ever punch anyone again after the Greene incident?

I mean, come on now. We all know Cousins has character issues before we even draft him. And most of us thought it was because he was too young and too immature, but it's not something that cannot be fixed.

Would you rather have the softy Monroe then?
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As far as I know he has not punched another teammate since the Greene incident. He has however gotten into it with a team trainer, gotten into it with Paul Westphal, gotten into it with Sean Elliot, and now this since then. I'm pretty sure I'm leaving out a couple of other incidents as well.
 
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Glenn said:
I doubt if there is anyone on this forum that doesn't think he has serious issues. Now what?
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So then why do you always defend him? Now what? I've made it known that I think he needs to be traded. I wouldn't take 50 cents on the dollar for him but I would make a deal if it made sense despite the fact that he has a lot of talent. I just feel he's too much of a distraction to the organization.
 
Bricklayer

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LWP777 said:
As far as I know he has not punched another teammate since the Greene incident. He has however gotten into it with a team trainer, gotten into it with Paul Westphal, gotten into it with Sean Elliot, and now this since then. I'm pretty sure I'm leaving out a couple of other incidents as well.
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"gotten into it" involves harsh language right?

I'm scared.

Immature with a temper. Nudge me when he actually hurts somebody or ends up on a police blotter. Until then its just something to ride out and hope/assume that time will temper it.
 
Bricklayer

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LWP777 said:
So then why do you always defend him? Now what? I've made it known that I think he needs to be traded. I wouldn't take 50 cents on the dollar for him but I would make a deal if it made sense despite the fact that he has a lot of talent. I just feel he's too much of a distraction to the organization.
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You would be an idiot to do so.

Distractions work themselves out sometimes. Lack of talent never does. In a 6'11" body talent liek Boogie's is incredibly rare. Incredibly. When you are a small market nothing franchise, you take it where you can get it and clutch onto it like your life depended on it, because from a franchise point of view, it might.
 
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Glenn

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Cousins has serious problems. I can't imagine that people haven't noticed it as it has been a topic of frequent conversation. To say he has a short temper is understating it. I think also to say it is fixable is a bit hopeful. I don't know how to fix it. As people get older, they tend to mellow not just because they have been in the NBA awhile but because for some reason that's the way our brain is wired.

I suspect he will calm as he gets older but nothing is going to happen over night. I think he will always be a problem but at the same time, I think he will always be a great basketball player and he will get better as he gets older.

I don't understand the issue, though. I believe it is the rare fan who doesn't think he has serious issues. I wish he was a nice guy all the time but he isn't. Are we arguing about whether he should be traded or what? I know that in most games I have my fingers crossed about what might happen. Just the same, he already is one of the best centers this franchise has had and without researching details, he may be the best already.
 
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Bricklayer said:
You would be an idiot to do so.

Distractions work themselves out sometimes. Lack of talent never does. In a 6'11" body talent liek Boogie's is incredibly rare. Incredibly. When you are a small market nothing franchise, you take it where you can get it and clutch onto it like your life depended on it, because from a franchise point of view, it might.
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Yeah because the current group have proven to be such winners....
 
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LWP777 said:
So then why do you always defend him? Now what? I've made it known that I think he needs to be traded. I wouldn't take 50 cents on the dollar for him but I would make a deal if it made sense despite the fact that he has a lot of talent. I just feel he's too much of a distraction to the organization.
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I feel the other way around.

I think the organization is so messed-up that having the very talented Cousins (and Evans), give hope to the organization. Cousins maybe a distraction, but he is also the biggest source of hope for this hopeless franchise. You don't just give away players like that. Of course, if we can have Dwight Howard, Lebron, or Durant at his expense then let's do it.
 
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Prince_XY said:
I feel the other way around.

I think the organization is so messed-up that having the very talented Cousins (and Evans), give hope to the organization. Cousins maybe a distraction, but he is also the biggest source of hope for this hopeless franchise. You don't just give away players like that. Of course, if we can have Dwight Howard, Lebron, or Durant at his expense then let's do it.
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I don't think we should give him away either but he's certainly not untouchable like others on here feel he is.
 
Section 101

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Npliam said:
Look, I know you all think that I have some vendetta against Cousins. Simply stated, I do not. I am not emotionally invested in him like the rest of you are and that gives me a different perspective. He has all the potential in the world but hasn't figured out how to be a part of winning basketball yet. He is young and competitive but just hasn't figured out how to play yet.

The very first time I watched the video I thought he hit Mayo in the balls on purpose. I don't think that this happens all the time like you guys make it seem. Full grown men don't take kindly to being hit down there. There would be fist fights in almost every game if this was a common occurrence.

It is a rough game and there is lots of physical contact but shots to the marbles are and should be treated differently.
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Watch it again and ignore Cousins. First what is Mayo doing in the first place? He's on defense and coming into contact on the non basket size of Cuz. Why is he in this position? He's not protecting the basket and the ball is on the other side of the floor. The only thing he's doing is grabbing Cuz's arm trying to incite him. Cuz pushes him away and he comes back to grab his arm again. Cuz wiggles out this time and the shot goes up. He then does a swipe motion. Why? Because he thinks he's going to be grabbed again. Mayo is the one who intiated the whole sequence and he wasn't even in any position of playing basketball.
 
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LWP777 said:
I don't think we should give him away either but he's certainly not untouchable like others on here feel he is.
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For now, he is indeed relatively untouchable, because there is no one out there to trade for that will give equal value for Cousins. I think this is what most of us Cousins believer mean when we say he is untouchable.

Do you have anyone in mind we can have for Cousins?
 
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Section 101 said:
Watch it again and ignore Cousins. First what is Mayo doing in the first place? He's on defense and coming into contact on the non basket size of Cuz. Why is he in this position? He's not protecting the basket and the ball is on the other side of the floor. The only thing he's doing is grabbing Cuz's arm trying to incite him. Cuz pushes him away and he comes back to grab his arm again. Cuz wiggles out this time and the shot goes up. He then does a swipe motion. Why? Because he thinks he's going to be grabbed again. Mayo is the one who intiated the whole sequence and he wasn't even in any position of playing basketball.
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And that is why there wasn't a whistle and why there shouldn't be any action taken by the league.
 
King Baller

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Why is this a big deal? Is it because Mayo got on social media and b&%$#ed about being tapped???

Who remembers the elbow Kobe decked Bibby with??? H%$# the refs called the foul on Bibby!!!

Move along, nothing to be seen here.

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kennadog

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I don't think people on here defend DeMarcus all the time. I don't think there are people here who don't acknowledge he has issues with immaturity and a short fuse. I do worry that maturity lightbulb might not ever come on for Cuz. On the other hand, Cuz is not always in the wrong and its clear that refs and others are always ready to jump all over Cuz right away. They are now programmed to call fouls on Cuz for things others get away with, even in the same game. His "intentions" are presumed to be negative.

The problem for Cousins is that he brought this on himself with his temper tantrums, complaining, short temper, etc.People now jump to the worst possible conclusions for his actions first. He's not going to get any benefit of the doubt. Worse, other players probably are trying to get Cousins angry anyway they can to provoke him. Why? Because they know that a good percentage of time it is going to work. They can throw off his game at the least, get him in foul trouble or maybe even get him out of the game.

So his every action is overly scrutinized and interpreted in the worst possible light. I'm not defending him. His own behavior has led to this situation. A situation where he is more likely to be called for fouls and technicals more than most players.

Its something he can correct, but at this point it's going to be really hard. He's going to have to really behave himself better than almost anyone else to gain back what he's lost...respect. Unfortunately, I'm not sure he's seen the light yet. I hope he does, soon. He's talented and actually seems like a very likable young man. I hope, for his sake and our team's sake that he can get over this difficult stage. You can do it Boogie.
 
kingsnation

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Hopefully, there is no fine or suspension. I don't think any one person can say whether it was intentional or not intentional. We can argue about it all day long but the only person that knows the truth is DMC himself. Unfortunately, however, this league does make decisions based on reputations. Whether it's right or wrong, they take reps into consideration, both on plays like this and individual in-game fouls. Due to this, DMC has to realize and remember that he is under a microscope in every action he does on the court. For his sake, I hope it wasn't intentional and I hope we don't have to continue to have these types of conversation regarding DMC - but that's up to him, really.
 
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