Cousins is Regressing Under Corbin

[Glenn]

You can't be serious...If so, then there's nothing I can say. Nor will I try....

What is odd is that Cousins' stats are not falling if that is the measure of his game. Acckkk! I need a break.




ps: I think he is serious.

 

[bajaden]

I see what you're saying, but I have to disagree with some of it.

There's been a lot of plays this season where we've seen Cousins just stand there and keep watch while the opposing team's offense scores. We've seen it too many times where Rudy sags off of his guy or gives him a ton of space to create and shoot.

I'm talking about the plays where our players fail to even put a hand in their face to shoot. Or times where they decide it isn't even worth contesting the shot at all. Cousin's best defensive attribute is his quick hands believe it or not.. Cousins is an improved shot blocker, but he's far from good. A lot of his reach in fouls are BS because refs don't expect big men to be able to steal the ball.

I've played a lot of basketball in highschool(not even comparable to the NBA), but a lot of defense is actually effort. Nik is a player who brings in all effort on defense, but he struggles because he's not physical nor strong enough yet. If everyone gave the type of effort Nik gives on defense, we'd have a decent defense. A lot of our terrible defense is because players decide to give up after getting beat or screened. I know how it feels when you think that the guy already had you.. you just give up and try to come back on offense. That's what the Kings do a lot of.

Scheme is what hides the struggles on defense.

GSW's defense succeeded last night vs the Kings because all they had to do was double team Cousins and Gay. They can do this knowing that both players are iso players who don't pass very often. Even when they do pass, it'll always be a second too late because they aren't good passers.

Some of what your saying is based in fact, but you come to the wrong conclusions. Yes, defense is based on effort, but its'also about trust, and belief in the system your executing. For starters, Corbin has changed the defensive scheme, and in my opinion, that's playing with fire in the middle of the season, because defensive schemes have to become habit. You rotate without thinking. You mentioned Stauskas, and while I admire his effort, he does make mistakes. But he's not alone. However as an example, a couple of games ago it appeared to me that the Kings were playing a partial zone and switching on the perimeter. Every time someone got caught in a screen, he would just stay with the screener and let the screeners defender pick up his man. It worked fine during Stauskas first stint on the court, but in the second half there was some confusion. Stauskas got picked, and stayed with the screener, but his teammate stayed with him as well. Of course that left Stauskas man unguarded on the perimeter.

Obviously someone made a mistake. I have no idea who, and I get the feeling that the players didn't know either. My point is, that defense is a team effort, and everyone has to be on the same page, or it doesn't work. At the beginning of the season, the team seemed to know what it was doing on defense. Now, there seems to be a lot of confusion. I lay that on the coach, not the players. Cousins can give all the effort in the world, and it won't matter if the rest of the team isn't on the same page. When Cousins moves to the top of the key to stop the ball, and his man dunks behind his back, that's on someone else, not Cuz. That kind of crap is starting to happen far too often.

 

[jdbraver]

The guy is still recovering from a debilitating illness. I'm sure he wouldn't make excuses but come on people I'd like to see your sorry butts out there after an illness like that.

 

[VF21]

...Yes, defense is based on effort, but its'also about trust, and belief in the system your executing. ....

Bravo.

 

[rhythmless]

I think he capable of understanding what wins and losses means. Come on, he's not stupid. He knows things aren't going well. Where his lack of basketball knowledge may be affecting him, is in knowing what to do about it.

Oh, I don't actually think he's a full blown idiot in all aspects of life. I know that whatever he's doing is with some intent of building a winning and/or profitable ballclub (but I think his private timeline is vastly different than his public one). The rub here is that he doesn't seem to understand where his knowledge lies on the pro basketball spectrum. The flippant tone is just a way to let off steam.

 

[mac]

Now BTW, I'm not entirely sure I agree with the entirety of those findings because of this:

1) Boogie's jumper has flat been off. Its not just that he is taking a lot of them, its that they have not been falling, at all. And maybe you say fatigued legs? Possible. You can also note that the idiot coach doesn't realize Cousins' sweet spot jumper is top of the key, been a lot of jumpers from the wing. Nonetheless, if Boogie wasn't slumping with that shot the numbers wouldn't look quite as stark.

2) The not challenging jumpers thing is teamwide, and I just have to believe because of that that its a defensive scheme/decision. Now you might say its a very stupid one given the results, but NOBODY, starter or bench, shows hard behind screens. Everybody sags. of course there's a double temptation there for Cuz as the team's sole rim protector, but its going on every night with everybody. So I think that may be a strategic choice.

Cousins has developed a weird hitch in his jumpshot, probably due to him shooting it off the dribble. You see him sort of kicking his legs out when he does it.

 

[King Baller]

The title says "Cousins is regressing under Corbin".

Are you freaking kidding me???? The ENTIRE Kings basketball team has regressed under Corbin. Name me one thing about the Kings that is better under Corbin?

What has the decision to fire Malone accomplished? Name me one positive thing firing Coach Malone has done for the Sacramento Kings?

Vivek should fire Mullin and PDA tomorrow then beg Malone to come back. Barring that Vivek should go back and ask Jerry West for advice again on what he should do going forward.

Lets hope Vivek has learned what basketball acumen PDA and Mullin have as far as it relates to running the Kings. IMO it is ZERO! They have turned this season into a total freaking disaster!

I have been a die hard Kings fan for years and now I can hardly stand to watch the games.

 

[King Baller]

Please don't point to the Kings better chance of retaining the draft pick. I want the pick to go away this season so that it is behind us and the Kings own their picks going forward.

 

[Telemachus]

Please don't point to the Kings better chance of retaining the draft pick. I want the pick to go away this season so that it is behind us and the Kings own their picks going forward.

I believe that if the Kings keep their pick this year, it turns into a 2nd rd pick next year.

 

[bajaden]

Cousins has developed a weird hitch in his jumpshot, probably due to him shooting it off the dribble. You see him sort of kicking his legs out when he does it.

He's been battling a bad ankle. Sometimes when you favor a certain part of your body, it affects other parts of you body. Famous story is Dizzy Dean, one of the few pitchers to ever win 30 games in a season, suffered a toe injury. He decided to pitch with the injury, but without knowing it, it was affecting his throwing motion, and it caused serious damage to his elbow, which eventually ended his career. I have no idea if Cuz's ankle is affecting his shooting, but its possible. He's probably pretty banged up right now. He's a physical player, and it eventually takes its toll.

 

[mac]

The title says "Cousins is regressing under Corbin".

Are you freaking kidding me???? The ENTIRE Kings basketball team has regressed under Corbin. Name me one thing about the Kings that is better under Corbin?

What has the decision to fire Malone accomplished? Name me one positive thing firing Coach Malone has done for the Sacramento Kings?

Vivek should fire Mullin and PDA tomorrow then beg Malone to come back. Barring that Vivek should go back and ask Jerry West for advice again on what he should do going forward.

Lets hope Vivek has learned what basketball acumen PDA and Mullin have as far as it relates to running the Kings. IMO it is ZERO! They have turned this season into a total freaking disaster!

I have been a die hard Kings fan for years and now I can hardly stand to watch the games.

Compliance to management

 

[lawlman91]

The title says "Cousins is regressing under Corbin".

Are you freaking kidding me???? The ENTIRE Kings basketball team has regressed under Corbin. Name me one thing about the Kings that is better under Corbin?

What has the decision to fire Malone accomplished? Name me one positive thing firing Coach Malone has done for the Sacramento Kings?

Vivek should fire Mullin and PDA tomorrow then beg Malone to come back. Barring that Vivek should go back and ask Jerry West for advice again on what he should do going forward.

Lets hope Vivek has learned what basketball acumen PDA and Mullin have as far as it relates to running the Kings. IMO it is ZERO! They have turned this season into a total freaking disaster!

I have been a die hard Kings fan for years and now I can hardly stand to watch the games.

something something something.... DRAFT PICK

 

[Capt. Factorial]

I believe that if the Kings keep their pick this year, it turns into a 2nd rd pick next year.

If the pick is not conveyed in 2015, 2016 or 2017 (top-ten protected all three years) then it turns into a 2017 second-round pick.

If the pick is not conveyed in 2015, 2016, or 2017 there may not be very many Kings fans left to rejoice that it turned into a second-round pick.

 

[dude12]

The title says "Cousins is regressing under Corbin".

Are you freaking kidding me???? The ENTIRE Kings basketball team has regressed under Corbin. Name me one thing about the Kings that is better under Corbin?

What has the decision to fire Malone accomplished? Name me one positive thing firing Coach Malone has done for the Sacramento Kings?

Vivek should fire Mullin and PDA tomorrow then beg Malone to come back. Barring that Vivek should go back and ask Jerry West for advice again on what he should do going forward.

Lets hope Vivek has learned what basketball acumen PDA and Mullin have as far as it relates to running the Kings. IMO it is ZERO! They have turned this season into a total freaking disaster!

I have been a die hard Kings fan for years and now I can hardly stand to watch the games.

I was going to write something similar but you put it down first. Instead of focusing on Cousins as some people want to do, who is not regressing under Corbin? Serious question. Collison maybe. I'm not going to look into the numbers cause I don't care enough right now but we have gone from much of the roster playing their best basketball of their careers to this. I don't think it's worth while to analyze this much as the team is a mess right now due to the firing. They got an unqualified coach in Corbin. I'll be honest, I thought he was going to be better and that the Utah stint was due to them tearing down their roster and being young, etc. but as some members mentioned a long time ago, Corbin is inept. Inept is so many ways. And I get he was put into an impossible situation but I think his head coaching career has gone pffffft.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

This is what gets me pissed. They decided that starting 11-13, and 2-8 with Cousins out, was just not acceptable and fired him.

but 6-17 with Corbin, 1-9 in the last 10, with a healthy roster, and looking flat out uncompetitive lately, is just fine i guess.

thats a bs lame excuse to fire him bc he wasn't feeling malone. in one of malone's final post game interviews he basically called out pete on analytics.

 

[King Baller]

Well time has shown Malone was not such an easy act to follow. It appears he had the Kings playing at an optimum level. I don't blame Corbin as much as the Front Office and their cockamamie ideas about how the Kings should play. The regression is less about what has been implemented but more about what has been taken away.

I'm sure Mullin wants no part of coaching the Kings after seeing what Corbin is going through. So IMO Vivek should just bring in Karl or whoever Jerry West suggests and let him run the Kings Basketball operation.

 

[BenThePizzaGuy]

I can't blame a coach for a players regression. If a player is top caliber he would always post great numbers, not decide oh! I have another coach so let me play bad.

Thank you for posting that and I agree very much so with you! The NBA is a player driven league, not a team driven league. The star players usually do put up the big numbers.

It does not matter who coaches Lebron James, Kevin Durant, etc. The stars find ways to put up big numbers no matter what.

I guarantee if Tyrone Corbin coached Cleveland or OKC, there would be little to no change in the ways those teams play because the star players run the show. I mean, look how easy it can be for a team to fire a coach. Chris Paul threatened to leave LAC for probably LAL if they didn't fire Vinny Del Negro and hire Doc Rivers. Why? Many stars like being around other stars, coaches and players. However, it does not matter who the coach is if there is a star or multiple stars on the team. That's how the NBA is.

 

[rainmaker]

I was going to write something similar but you put it down first. Instead of focusing on Cousins as some people want to do, who is not regressing under Corbin? Serious question. Collison maybe. I'm not going to look into the numbers cause I don't care enough right now but we have gone from much of the roster playing their best basketball of their careers to this. I don't think it's worth while to analyze this much as the team is a mess right now due to the firing. They got an unqualified coach in Corbin. I'll be honest, I thought he was going to be better and that the Utah stint was due to them tearing down their roster and being young, etc. but as some members mentioned a long time ago, Corbin is inept. Inept is so many ways. And I get he was put into an impossible situation but I think his head coaching career has gone pffffft.

Because the basis of the thread was about the article linked, which was about Cuz regressing and the numbers backing it up. Of course the entire team is regressing, and of course nothing is stopping someone from creating a thread discussing just that.

But when we have a HOF talent and the top center in the game being misused and regressing to the extent he has and is, I'd say that's a little more important than a JT or Omri regressing and is deserving of its own thread.

 

[Chubbs]

Thank you for posting that and I agree very much so with you! The NBA is a player driven league, not a team driven league. The star players usually do put up the big numbers.

It does not matter who coaches Lebron James, Kevin Durant, etc. The stars find ways to put up big numbers no matter what.

I guarantee if Tyrone Corbin coached Cleveland or OKC, there would be little to no change in the ways those teams play because the star players run the show. I mean, look how easy it can be for a team to fire a coach. Chris Paul threatened to leave LAC for probably LAL if they didn't fire Vinny Del Negro and hire Doc Rivers. Why? Many stars like being around other stars, coaches and players. However, it does not matter who the coach is if there is a star or multiple stars on the team. That's how the NBA is.

The problem is that you use Lebron James as an example of a guy who puts up numbers no matter what, yet his shooting has dropped from .565 and .567 in consecutive seasons to .490 now. A rather sharp downturn.

That has nothing to do with the coach and switching teams? There's a reason Blatt is on the hot seat.

Demarcus IS putting up big numbers still. Just less efficiently. Exactly like Lebron James this year. Yes, stars put up numbers. But how they go about it can change dramatically based on coaching.

Pau Gasol was an after thought as a laker under Dantoni. He even lost his starting job at one point and put up career low numbers across the board (2012-2013) cause he didn't fit the preferred style. He's starting the all star game under Thibs. Coaches don't matter? Ask Pau if coaches matter.

Coaches matters, systems matter. To say otherwise is just ignorant.

Blows me away a King's fan could possibly argue coaches don't matter given our current state.

 

[Padrino]

Blows me away a King's fan could possibly argue coaches don't matter given our current state.

given our current state, as well as across the last decade...

 

[HndsmCelt]

The very definition of regression is to revert back to old patterns or behavior. DMC's stats are up, he has evolved into a good shot blocker (just ask Monte Ellis) and rather than pout, demand a trade (which would be understandable) or getting T'd out of games he goes out and acts like a team leader and demands his teammates at least ACT like they care.
http://www.sbnation.com/2015/2/6/7991699/demarcus-cousins-kings-losing-streak

If that is regression I really need to toss out my Oxford English Dictionary.