Cousins' fouling

Flopi said:
On the positive side, fouling problem is not THAT difficult to solve.
And once DeMarcus fixes it and plays more minutes... watch out !

His per 48 minutes stats so far after 8 games :
- He leads the league in offensive and total rebounds per 48 minutes
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I'll bet he also leads the league in offensive rebounds of own missed layups and tips too. :) Not sure if they keep that stat. haha
 
Glenn said:
BUT, and I don't have any observations to back this up, it would be intresting to chart when he fouls. Does he have a tendency to foul more often at the end of his minutes on the court and could fatigue be a factor? I'm going to watch this.
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Here's some data points then -

I absolutely noticed that he reaches and gets sloppy with his control of his body when he's played a long stint.
IIRC, that exact play against the Magic where he was reaching (and I was yelling out for him to stop it before he got the ticky foul) WAS when he was winded. It was at the end of a stint when he was dominating on both side of the ball (especially offense). In fact, I actually remember wondering if DMC (consciously or unconsciously) reached out so that he could get a foul and get a breather on the bench (as stupidly self-destructive that is to his playing time, if it was subconscious it would make total sense).

IMO this fouling issue with DMC is one of the most important to solve.
It's one of the only ways he will NOT become the dominant force we want him to.

P.S. It's not "muscle memory". That's different, IMO.
 
Should be noted that he was much better about it tonight, adn you could see him consciously pulling back. Only mnade one bad mistake foul, and one other uncalled.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
We were down by 20+ points. Save his energy for tomorrow against a beatable Toronto team, right?
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He pulled him at about the 6:30 mark the 3rd. That's just a horrible substitution. If he was going to rest him for tomorrow, then why sub him back in when down 28 and not pull him until late in a blowout?
 
Everyone is talking about the fouling... no one is talking about the turnovers. The guy dishes out more turnovers than a freakin' Arby's, I swear.

(+1 for unoriginal joke)
 
rainmaker said:
He pulled him at about the 6:30 mark the 3rd. That's just a horrible substitution. If he was going to rest him for tomorrow, then why sub him back in when down 28 and not pull him until late in a blowout?
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Well, the first 5:30 of the third quarter were pretty dismal, I suppose we had to try something to shake it up. I don't have any idea why Cousins came back in down 28; I would have told him his night was over.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
Well, the first 5:30 of the third quarter were pretty dismal, I suppose we had to try something to shake it up. I don't have any idea why Cousins came back in down 28; I would have told him his night was over.
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Smarts post game interview said why. He used the blow out as part of his conditioning for players he thought need it.
 
Italics said:
Everyone is talking about the fouling... no one is talking about the turnovers. The guy dishes out more turnovers than a freakin' Arby's, I swear.

(+1 for unoriginal joke)
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the turnovers are presumably a young thing, and critically they don't force him out of the game. That's why the fouls are so damaging. Ideally we need this guy to give us 36min a game. If he did he could easily be a young and sloppy 20-10 guy. Just has to get out of his own way.
 
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A specific note about DMC's fouls:

If that little push in Nociono's back on the fastbreak is a FLAGRANT FOUL, than I'd better damn well see it called again at least a hundred times this year, because it happens at least once a night in the NBA. Probably 10 times a night.

Oh, wait - I won't see it again, because that's almost never called.

P.S. It's getting really tiring seeing DMC not break the 30 minute mark when he's not even in foul trouble. There's very little excuse/reason for that to EVER happen.
 
Prince_XY said:
Try reading more about "muscle memory". Again, muscle memory is not the same as reflex. Muscle memory deals more with the grade of strength of the response rather than when the response will be made (as is the case of a reflex response). When you reach for a steal, muscle memory is not in play. But when you are already in the act of stealing, then "muscle memory" comes into play to help regulate the strength of your muscle response. LWP777 is right and you are wrong. Your experience mislead you. Just read it from the books because sometimes experience is not the best way to learn higher knowledge.
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I know what muscle memory is!!!!!!!!! Do you know what the meaning of the word combination is?????? Are you just arguing for the sake of arguing? Muscle memory is training your muscles to repeat the exact same exercise exactly, and precisely the same way every time, to the point where it co-joins with reflex action. Now you can choose to believe what you want. I really don't care. But I will tell you this. There is no substitute for experience. You can't learn how to hit a 95 mile an hour fastball in a book. I've nothing against reading. I read books all the time. But trust me, there's a big difference between reading about war, and actually being in one.
 
Section 101 said:
Smarts post game interview said why. He used the blow out as part of his conditioning for players he thought need it.
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I would have thought that DeMarcus would be one of those players. While he has trimmed down significantly, he still needs a good base and he is not going to get it playing 25 mpg. Now, up to this point, the low minutes were due to foul trouble. Against Philly, it was not due to foul trouble and some wacky rotations!
 
IfAt1st said:
A specific note about DMC's fouls:

If that little push in Nociono's back on the fastbreak is a FLAGRANT FOUL, than I'd better damn well see it called again at least a hundred times this year, because it happens at least once a night in the NBA. Probably 10 times a night.

Oh, wait - I won't see it again, because that's almost never called.

P.S. It's getting really tiring seeing DMC not break the 30 minute mark when he's not even in foul trouble. There's very little excuse/reason for that to EVER happen.
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Don't know why people can't look up the correct numbers. Cuz had 31 mins last night not 28.
 
See why his fouling is the big limiter? Most knew that the only thing limiting his stats was his time on the court. Now he has had one game where he kept away from fouls and look what happens. He doesn't even need to score to be valuable as I think his improved conditioning has given him that extra bit of oomph! to haul in a few more rebounds. Amazing, actually. He's a quick learner or something. What's his limit?
 
Glenn said:
See why his fouling is the big limiter? Most knew that the only thing limiting his stats was his time on the court. Now he has had one game where he kept away from fouls and look what happens. He doesn't even need to score to be valuable as I think his improved conditioning has given him that extra bit of oomph! to haul in a few more rebounds. Amazing, actually. He's a quick learner or something. What's his limit?
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Čarolija said:
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OK, OK, I got carried away. So what? :) I DO wonder what his limit is as my dull memory cannot remember a center who has handled him this year. Not a big "n" but exciting to guys like me. He makes the year very interesting in what otherwise could be a major bummer.
 
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BTW, who wrote that Cuz had an exceptionally short learning curve? I remember reading it but for the life of me I don't know if it was a KF poster, local media or national media. A few more games or maybe even a half season are necessary to prove if he actually has learned something about fouling. One game proves nothing but this last game was very encouraging. I DID see him with a lazy reach in foul late in the Raptor game. The game was essentially won until the Raptors suddenly couldn't miss but it was a bothersome that he even did it thinking the game was under control. It was lazy and I think he has to erase the idea from his mind that a 6'11" guy can reach in. Many, many calls are made because of the expectations of the ref. No one expects a guy this size to be quick enough to reach in and get away with it and the fact is, his reach ins usually ARE fouls.

Anyway, back to the learning curve idea. Right now he is a top three center in the league - go with me on my homerism. If he has room for improvement and picks things up quickly, he is going to be a mega monster and not just a monster. It will be sooner and not later. I see a lot of holes in his game. He has a lot to work on. THAT'S exciting to me. Also his team mates and coach need to use him better. We have seen nothing of his passing ability.

I absolutely will not back off on my love for this guy. He is the most exciting player to be a King since JWill but in very different ways of course. :) With Cuz, his excitement comes from being so damn good. JWill was just fun. If he dedicates this year to only dropping the number of fouls, the season will have been a major success. Fact is, he will improve in other areas and I think we all know that.

I will watch the Kings if only to watch Cuz. Toss in a rejuvenated Reke and a somewhat shakey Thornton and I have a few other things to watch. Lastly, I get to watch to see if we got lucky with Smart. I almost doubt if this team can turn into even a poorly oiled machine because of youth and lack of practice. We'll see what Smart can do under these miserable conditions.

OK, I'm done for the moment. :)
 
I lost yet another post on here. I'm getting REAL sick of the "Reply to Thread" button....

Anyway, you're not the only "homer" who is high on DMC.
He's one of the few reasons I watch the Kings anymore, since I detest the one-on-one, drive-and-kick style of play. The Kings lack the personnel to hit open shots anyway, so I don't think they can be successful with it alone.
They HAVE to start feeding the big man if they want to be competitive in this league. It's as simple as that.

How's this for being high on Demarcus?
Let's talk All-Star (as I mentioned in the other thread) -
Who in the West is better than him at center RIGHT NOW?
All it takes is to be 2nd best center in the West and he may get on the All-Star team THIS YEAR as a coach's selection.

If the Kings find more ways to feed him easy buckets and get him numbers (have other Kings players stop taking rebounds from him, etc) he could easily get his numbers so ridiculous they might be pushed to add him as an All-Star this year.

His passing abilities has been proven since early last year - he is almost a savant-level of passer for a big man. He simply hasn't been working on that part of his game lately - busy with many other things - but I have no doubt of his ability to kill other teams with his passing once he becomes dominant down low and other teams are forced to double-him regularly.

Did anyone else see that pass he did in a previous game?
Jimmer was spastically dribbling around, DMC got the ball on the left 3-pt line, then rifled a cross-court pass to an open King (Outlaw?) standing on the 3-pt line. I haven't seen that pass thrown by anyone on this Kings team all year but him.
Jimmer can't see that pass - Tyreke can't see it. IT's too short to see it.

IMO, Demarcus is by far the best passer on this team, and I don't think it's even close.

How's that for high?

BTW - Demarcus' bball IQ and ability to learn quickly have been noted by many since very early last year.
 
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