Contract extension for Divac + David Morway
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Stability? Vlade didn't help with stability when he decided not to suspend Cuz the first time he cursed out Karl in front of the team. It's like he's condoning those types of actions. It didn't take until Cuz yelled at Karl in public for him to suspend Cuz.
That's not stability to me. You're sending out a message to future coaches that Cuz is our franchise player, and if he cursed you out in front of the team out of frustration, it's ok because I got his back.
Stability and accountability to hand in hand. Vivek knows he's screwed up, and he's being held accountable for that.
Now, can we rely on a rookie GM in Vlade to correct his mistakes? I don't know. But what I do know, is that if he's our GM, he's going to need a crap ton of help. We can't afford to have another 2015/2016 season again(empty brand new arena). I don't think anyone here can argue that Vlade isn't under qualified for this job. Adding Morway was a good first step, but he's going to need a lot more help than that.
I don't call this a stability hire...especially from the most unstable organization in the NBA. A stable organization would've gone after someone like Troy Weaver...while keeping Vlade as VP/peacemaker. At this point, he's more of a player's coach.
That's not stability to me. You're sending out a message to future coaches that Cuz is our franchise player, and if he cursed you out in front of the team out of frustration, it's ok because I got his back.
Stability and accountability to hand in hand. Vivek knows he's screwed up, and he's being held accountable for that.
Now, can we rely on a rookie GM in Vlade to correct his mistakes? I don't know. But what I do know, is that if he's our GM, he's going to need a crap ton of help. We can't afford to have another 2015/2016 season again(empty brand new arena). I don't think anyone here can argue that Vlade isn't under qualified for this job. Adding Morway was a good first step, but he's going to need a lot more help than that.
I don't call this a stability hire...especially from the most unstable organization in the NBA. A stable organization would've gone after someone like Troy Weaver...while keeping Vlade as VP/peacemaker. At this point, he's more of a player's coach.
He doesn't have a list of accomplishments. Not in his season running the show or prior to his hire here. More faith in a guy who hasn't earned it. One terrible trade and a couple of signing, that despite what people are selling, didn't work out. Maybe it's all on Karl, sadly if Jackson and Brooks are next in line don't expect the coaching to improve much.
Hopefully he doesn't overpay Rondo and starts to realize the value of picks to a small market team. And please do not make Ryan Anderson the big offseason move. That's not how you improve a defense, which is what a competent GM should be focused on. Lastly don't expect to trade Gay for anything of value. Maybe you can dump him, but I'm skeptical that another team is going to give up assets for Gay.
Hopefully he doesn't overpay Rondo and starts to realize the value of picks to a small market team. And please do not make Ryan Anderson the big offseason move. That's not how you improve a defense, which is what a competent GM should be focused on. Lastly don't expect to trade Gay for anything of value. Maybe you can dump him, but I'm skeptical that another team is going to give up assets for Gay.
good move this. Hears to stability at the top.
Now Vlade we need a solid coach. That one decision is huge. Get that right and we will go far.
In Vlade i trust.
From the trade to PHI to the draft to our chase of Ellis, Matthews and our FA signings - no issues what so ever. If Karl actually did his job Vlade would be exec of the year.
Now Vlade we need a solid coach. That one decision is huge. Get that right and we will go far.
In Vlade i trust.
From the trade to PHI to the draft to our chase of Ellis, Matthews and our FA signings - no issues what so ever. If Karl actually did his job Vlade would be exec of the year.
Is it absolutely true that Vlade requested the one year contract to start out with? If so, this means that it was Vlade's choice to extend and that, in my mind, is a Vlade stamp of approval on the FO and where the team stands at the present.
I am not critical of his moves to this point although I completely understand how people could be critical. He is an intelligent and honorable man recognized as such in Europe, western Asia, and the USA. That's a good start to turning this around. Now he can move forward with the organization behind him. If he thinks he is in over his head (which must have gnawed at him alot this last year) he'll hire someone to back him. BTW, I don't know what Peja does in this organization but if ALL he does is to be a confidant of Vlade's, that's good enough. Vlade is learning on the job under very difficult circumstances.
I am not critical of his moves to this point although I completely understand how people could be critical. He is an intelligent and honorable man recognized as such in Europe, western Asia, and the USA. That's a good start to turning this around. Now he can move forward with the organization behind him. If he thinks he is in over his head (which must have gnawed at him alot this last year) he'll hire someone to back him. BTW, I don't know what Peja does in this organization but if ALL he does is to be a confidant of Vlade's, that's good enough. Vlade is learning on the job under very difficult circumstances.
I've mentioned before that all this nonsense about Vlade not being qualified is just that, nonsense. He's every bit as qualified as Joe Dumars was when he took over the Pistons. And with a year+ of experience under his belt as the head guy, he's more qualified than all but a handful of peeps out there.
Better yet his temperament is an absolutely enormous qualifier in and of itself, especially given its effect on Cousins, and possibly on Vivek too, who has been barely heard from since Vlade took over. A built in ally. A patient ally. And one who understands Cousins' greatness. No more fighting it.
Better yet his temperament is an absolutely enormous qualifier in and of itself, especially given its effect on Cousins, and possibly on Vivek too, who has been barely heard from since Vlade took over. A built in ally. A patient ally. And one who understands Cousins' greatness. No more fighting it.
you betray yourself with your answer the point is that the consecutive high picks that Cleveland got were insuficent and some of them had to be turned into ... A proven vet. My point is NOT that picks have NO value it is simply that there value is indeterminable so tradeing picks for Vets greatly reduces the risk of ending up with a Jimmer or Stauskis.
Cleveland picked Irving, Waiters, Tristan and Wiggins. That was the foundation built on the draft which drew their DRAFT pick Lebron James back. Cleveland used the draft to make it appealing to free agents. Yes, they traded picks in the end to put them in contention. But what they didn't do was GIVE them away with the hopes of getting better. They already had something. Might even argue that they would have been better off keeping Wiggins. And don't forget that Cleveland had Lebron the first time and tried to plug holes with average vets and it didn't work. Spent the next few years after he left drafting really well.
Stauskus and Thompson would have given the same as Marco and Koufos thus year. The biggest improvement in our roster was Rondo, a player we had money to get and..... WCS, our draft pick.
So, that is what draft picks do for you. Drafting Jimmer and Stauskus are organizational failures. It's not a measure of the draft gamble. Letting IT go for a trade exemption is a failure. Giving a 1st rounder away because you're betting you won't need it and getting cap space in return when you don't have that coveted free agent in your pocket is a failure. Taking your odds of winning the lottery from small to absolutely 0 is a failure.
This isn't an attack on Vlade or Petrie. This shows you what happens when ownership is either not committed to winning or doesn't know what it takes to build a winner.
Stauskus and Thompson would have given the same as Marco and Koufos thus year. The biggest improvement in our roster was Rondo, a player we had money to get and..... WCS, our draft pick.
So, that is what draft picks do for you. Drafting Jimmer and Stauskus are organizational failures. It's not a measure of the draft gamble. Letting IT go for a trade exemption is a failure. Giving a 1st rounder away because you're betting you won't need it and getting cap space in return when you don't have that coveted free agent in your pocket is a failure. Taking your odds of winning the lottery from small to absolutely 0 is a failure.
This isn't an attack on Vlade or Petrie. This shows you what happens when ownership is either not committed to winning or doesn't know what it takes to build a winner.
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I agree the Cavs were LUCKY, but drafting WELL is a highly dubious choice of words for the team that picked the worst EVER 1st pick in Anthony Bennet...
I also think that Waiters and Zeller were pretty bad picks. Plus - the Cavs actually gave Wiggins away for nothing!!
(LeBron's coming back had nothing to do with Wiggins, and Love was about to become a FA, and he would have joined forces with LBJ anyway, to try and get himself a ring. So they could have had it all if they just waited, yet they chose to ship away Wig and sacrifice their future just to free some cap space and avoid luxury tax ...)
I also think that Waiters and Zeller were pretty bad picks. Plus - the Cavs actually gave Wiggins away for nothing!!
(LeBron's coming back had nothing to do with Wiggins, and Love was about to become a FA, and he would have joined forces with LBJ anyway, to try and get himself a ring. So they could have had it all if they just waited, yet they chose to ship away Wig and sacrifice their future just to free some cap space and avoid luxury tax ...)
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Before Vlade can do the important job of picking a new head coach he has to decide to fire Karl. Yesterday he said he would evaluate him n the summer. So hold your pants on. I was hoping he had already made up his mind so he could act in the Spring, namel April 15. Of course if he has already decided he wouldn't tell us until us until April 15 or later. A step at a time
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I was addressing the extension, not everything Vlade did or did not do. Personally I would have suspended Cousins the first time, but Vlade decided otherwise. That was his decision, and not being privy to everything that goes on in the locker room, I can't say for sure he was wrong. Where we differ is in how difficult the job is. You seem to think it's rocket science, and I don't. I'm not sure why you think the job is so difficult, and why you think Vlade is so underqualified? You can either judge talent or you can't.
Joe Axelman, our first GM in Sacramento, had 40 years of experience in the NBA as a GM, and he totally screwed up the Kings for the next 15 years. I'm sure Joe had connections all over the NBA. He knew the ropes! That didn't make him a good GM. Everyone begins somewhere. This is Vlade's shot, and if your going to commit to him, then you have to show it by extending his contract. Otherwise you have him feeling pressure on every move he makes. If players don't respect a lame duck coach would they respect a lame duck GM? Personally, I think your making this a much bigger issue than it is.
Joe Axelman, our first GM in Sacramento, had 40 years of experience in the NBA as a GM, and he totally screwed up the Kings for the next 15 years. I'm sure Joe had connections all over the NBA. He knew the ropes! That didn't make him a good GM. Everyone begins somewhere. This is Vlade's shot, and if your going to commit to him, then you have to show it by extending his contract. Otherwise you have him feeling pressure on every move he makes. If players don't respect a lame duck coach would they respect a lame duck GM? Personally, I think your making this a much bigger issue than it is.
LeBron didn't have to wait, as Love wasn't a must. He wasn't even a good fit for the Cavs, as became evident now (IMHO). Other star vets in FA may have been just as ready to form a "big 3" of some sort.
Wiggins, on the other hand, could have been a star in the making apprentice/ future franchise player (with Kyrie). Someone who could gradually take the burden of leadership, and sustain the team's success for years to come, like SAS manages to do so well.
This is the sort of extreme "win now" mode that Bron forced the Cavs into, noted also in their failure to stick with David Blatt, a great BBall mind that you could try and build a dynasty with, but not an NBA-proven HC.
I really think that this Bron-induced state of mind will backfire big time, leaving the Cavs depleted of talent and title-hungry for at least another decade. Well, only time will tell... (not long, really. I think this post-season marks the close of this super-tight window of opportunity).
Back to our beloved Kings, and what we can learn from it -
I really hope that we don't overdo our own "win-now" attempt.
I think we should build around local heros and locally developed talent, like the DMC/WCS pair, with the likes of Omri Quincy & Seth. (Sorry if I missed some).
All these are hard working players that either call Sactown home, or feel gratefull to this team for their chance to shine. That is the core to build around and carefully add picks and FA talent into, as I see it.
That humble core, with the right young, hungry, up-and-coming, great coach (Walton? Blatt?) and some patience and stability upstairs WOULD TURN THIS ORGANISATION AROUND.
One year of THAT, even if we don't make the playoffs (and I am sure we WILL) - and Cousins would NOT want to go anywhere! (Good things feel good even in the making)
Wiggins, on the other hand, could have been a star in the making apprentice/ future franchise player (with Kyrie). Someone who could gradually take the burden of leadership, and sustain the team's success for years to come, like SAS manages to do so well.
This is the sort of extreme "win now" mode that Bron forced the Cavs into, noted also in their failure to stick with David Blatt, a great BBall mind that you could try and build a dynasty with, but not an NBA-proven HC.
I really think that this Bron-induced state of mind will backfire big time, leaving the Cavs depleted of talent and title-hungry for at least another decade. Well, only time will tell... (not long, really. I think this post-season marks the close of this super-tight window of opportunity).
Back to our beloved Kings, and what we can learn from it -
I really hope that we don't overdo our own "win-now" attempt.
I think we should build around local heros and locally developed talent, like the DMC/WCS pair, with the likes of Omri Quincy & Seth. (Sorry if I missed some).
All these are hard working players that either call Sactown home, or feel gratefull to this team for their chance to shine. That is the core to build around and carefully add picks and FA talent into, as I see it.
That humble core, with the right young, hungry, up-and-coming, great coach (Walton? Blatt?) and some patience and stability upstairs WOULD TURN THIS ORGANISATION AROUND.
One year of THAT, even if we don't make the playoffs (and I am sure we WILL) - and Cousins would NOT want to go anywhere! (Good things feel good even in the making)
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