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After all these trade and draft talks going around, do any of u guys actually believe we can make a serious run at the title next year?

Well I do, and some of the reasons I think that is because:
1. We should have an identity established. The last 2 years we didn't really have an identity going into the playoffs(2004 was great until webb came back and really slowed us down, completely taking away our chemistry). The years in which we really did compete for the title, we knew what we were gonna do an when we were gonna do it. In the past 2 years we didn't have that.

2. I truly gotta believe that petrie and the maloofs have had something planned for a while now. They are too dedicated to winning to see another dissapointing season. I think they will have some very good trades that will really help out our team and we can gain some much needed chemistry, thus leading to us having an identity.

Some of u guys might disagree with me which is fine. I don't mind if u disagree with me. This is what I believe is going to happen next year.
 
Folsom Al

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Realistically ....

I echo what SactoGreg says ...

However, I would like to add that I'm optimistic enough to think the King's are 2-3 seasons away from being a "solid" competitive team.
 
John Galt

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How are the Kings going to have an "identity" next year all of a sudden? We don't even have the slightest clue today who our starting 5 will be, or who our coach will be?

No.

Positive Frank
 
uolj

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No.

I'm looking for a new core group (more or better than just the current 3) to start gaining experience together so that in three or four years they will be contenders again. That's my goal. Contenders this year would be extremely unlikely and of course very nice.
 
Mad D

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I keep hearing about a master plan that is going to unfold. What is this master plan, to trade a few players and pickup a couple free agents?
 
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ONEZERO said:
After all these trade and draft talks going around, do any of u guys actually believe we can make a serious run at the title next year?
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Way too early to predict anything. Depends a lot on who we bring on and on a lot of other things. Right now the picture doesn't look too good. But Petrie would definitely make the GM of the year if he could pull out a championship out of what is remaining of the Kings within a year.
 
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I shouldnt have started this thread. It was a stupid and repetitive idea. Actually, I think we should just wait and see what happens in the summer.
 
Folsom Al

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Don't beat yourself up ONEZERO ...

you'll get plenty of volunteers around here ;)

'sides .... live-n-learn in these here parts on the 'net.

What was it Norm said on Cheers ... "It's a dog-eat-dog world out there and I'm wearin' milkbone underwear".
 
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With the core we have, we'd have to surround them with some mighty fine defensive players (not to mention smart players who can pass) to even have a chance in heck at being an elite team again. With our salary cap situation, that will not happen.
 
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Folsom Al said:
Don't beat yourself up ONEZERO ...

you'll get plenty of volunteers around here ;)

'sides .... live-n-learn in these here parts on the 'net.

What was it Norm said on Cheers ... "It's a dog-eat-dog world out there and I'm wearin' milkbone underwear".
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To be honest with you, I'm not beating myself up. Right after I posted this new thread, I knew it was a stupid idea. Who cares anyways, cause there aint anything else to talk about this early in the year.
 
G_M

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I'm not sure how anyone could say yeas or no at this point.

Last year at this time everyone thought Seattle would finish near the bottom of the conference.

Way too much business to be settled.
 
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G_M said:
I'm not sure how anyone could say yeas or no at this point.

Last year at this time everyone thought Seattle would finish near the bottom of the conference.

Way too much business to be settled.
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yup, as well as Phoenix
 
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ONEZERO said:
To be honest with you, I'm not beating myself up. Right after I posted this new thread, I knew it was a stupid idea. Who cares anyways, cause there aint anything else to talk about this early in the year.
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Here are the reasons your thread is not stupid.

The Kings should at least be well on their way to contending by either next season or the one directly after. Here are my reasons why:

1) The Maloofs do not have the luxury to wait for this team to roll over again and be contenders sometime in the distant future. There are arena issues, TV issues (ratings), ticket issues, and various other financial issues that are hanging directly over their heads right now.

It would be even harder to get an arena deal done if the Maloofs were presenting an inferior product with sagging attendence/ratings figures.

2) As the Maloofs have already stated. The core of Bibby, Peja, and Brad are in their prime right now.

They can't wait 3-4 years for a new team to gel. They know they have to put the right pieces around them and fast!

And if it is not working they will do what ever they feel needs to be done to make the team a contender.

3) Probably the most important reason is that the Maloofs love this team. Not only that but they are some of the most dedicated owners in the league.

Do you really think that they would sit back and watch their team fall apart?

It was on the verge of happening before the trade deadline and they had the melons (pardon my french) to get some very tough and emotional deals done for the sake of the franchise. Whether you agree or disagree that is why they said they did it.
 
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G_M said:
I'm not sure how anyone could say yeas or no at this point.

Last year at this time everyone thought Seattle would finish near the bottom of the conference.

Way too much business to be settled.
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That's what I'm saying. As bad as are salary cap problems are, there are still many things that could happen.
 
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ONEZERO said:
After all these trade and draft talks going around, do any of u guys actually believe we can make a serious run at the title next year?
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As of 10:15 p.m. on June 8, 2005, my answer is "No."

As others have said, there are way too many intangibles right now. If everything goes perfectly, then we might have a shot - if there isn't a lockout.

I think it's just too early to try and make a prediction on how the team will do when we don't have any idea WHO the team will be.
 
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Do you really think that they would sit back and watch their team fall apart?
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I don't think any owners actually sit back and watch their teams fall apart voluntarily. Sometimes, despite their hopes, plans and efforts, however, **** happens. There are some things - injuries immediately come to mind - that team owners can do absolutely nothing about.
 
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Hey sactownkid, that's what I was trying to say. Everyone is too negative and not really looking at other aspects of the team. Like I said, many will disagree with me, but I don't care. I said it was a stupid topic cause all I was getting were negative responses. What's the difference from this year coming up and the year before this?? Absolutely nothing. We had miller, vlade, peja, bibby, christie, a below average bench, and I'm not even gonna count webber. Vlade and christie were old timers, and we still competed for that ring with webber hobbling around on one leg. This year coming up we still got bibby, miller, peja, and a good amount of role players that we could try and do some sign and trades, or just trades straight up. Were gonna compete, trust me.
 
Packt

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No. There are too many holes and too few options to fill them with. At best we can make some moves that will allow us to be competitive but young; another "next year" kind of year.


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Here are the reasons your thread is not stupid.

The Kings should at least be well on their way to contending by either next season or the one directly after. Here are my reasons why:

1) The Maloofs do not have the luxury to wait for this team to roll over again and be contenders sometime in the distant future. There are arena issues, TV issues (ratings), ticket issues, and various other financial issues that are hanging directly over their heads right now.

It would be even harder to get an arena deal done if the Maloofs were presenting an inferior product with sagging attendence/ratings figures.

2) As the Maloofs have already stated. The core of Bibby, Peja, and Brad are in their prime right now.

They can't wait 3-4 years for a new team to gel. They know they have to put the right pieces around them and fast!

And if it is not working they will do what ever they feel needs to be done to make the team a contender.

3) Probably the most important reason is that the Maloofs love this team. Not only that but they are some of the most dedicated owners in the league.

Do you really think that they would sit back and watch their team fall apart?

It was on the verge of happening before the trade deadline and they had the melons (pardon my french) to get some very tough and emotional deals done for the sake of the franchise. Whether you agree or disagree that is why they said they did it.
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If it was only that easy.

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Hey sactownkid, that's what I was trying to say. Everyone is too negative and not really looking at other aspects of the team. Like I said, many will disagree with me, but I don't care. I said it was a stupid topic cause all I was getting were negative responses. What's the difference from this year coming up and the year before this?? Absolutely nothing. We had miller, vlade, peja, bibby, christie, a below average bench, and I'm not even gonna count webber. Vlade and christie were old timers, and we still competed for that ring with webber hobbling around on one leg. This year coming up we still got bibby, miller, peja, and a good amount of role players that we could try and do some sign and trades, or just trades straight up. Were gonna compete, trust me.
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Competing and contention are too separate things. We are much different than we were in 03. 03 was our old team, lots of experience and chemistry and that's what carried us. The up coming season will have a different team, different locker room. It might sound negative but it's the truth.

It's like you're saying Vlade and Christie's contribtuion last year amounted to nothing and can be easily replaced. I remember Christie carried us in some games. He's not very athletic by NBA standards, but his atleticism was what carried us at times. He had 21 points in game 7. Christie out of all our scorers, had 21 points.
 
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ONEZERO said:
Hey sactownkid, that's what I was trying to say. Everyone is too negative and not really looking at other aspects of the team. Like I said, many will disagree with me, but I don't care. I said it was a stupid topic cause all I was getting were negative responses. What's the difference from this year coming up and the year before this?? Absolutely nothing. We had miller, vlade, peja, bibby, christie, a below average bench, and I'm not even gonna count webber. Vlade and christie were old timers, and we still competed for that ring with webber hobbling around on one leg. This year coming up we still got bibby, miller, peja, and a good amount of role players that we could try and do some sign and trades, or just trades straight up. Were gonna compete, trust me.
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You call it negative. Some of us call it being realistic. Right now, we do not have anywhere near the team we had at the beginning of last year. Dump on Webber all you like, but he was still putting up triple doubles, excellent numbers, etc. and he was a key factor in us winning a lot of our games before Feb. 22.

No one is saying YOU can't be looking at everything through rose-colored glasses. Some of you were predicting we'd end up in the WCF after the trade, too. Nice how well that worked out, wasn't it?

:rolleyes:

Funny thing about threads. You post them and the responses might not be what you wanted or hoped for. That's just the way it goes. If there are a lot of people waiting to see what's going to happen before they start shouting about how great the Kings are gonna do in the playoffs next year, then what's the problem?
 
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ONEZERO said:
Hey sactownkid, that's what I was trying to say. Everyone is too negative and not really looking at other aspects of the team. Like I said, many will disagree with me, but I don't care. I said it was a stupid topic cause all I was getting were negative responses. What's the difference from this year coming up and the year before this?? Absolutely nothing. We had miller, vlade, peja, bibby, christie, a below average bench, and I'm not even gonna count webber. Vlade and christie were old timers, and we still competed for that ring with webber hobbling around on one leg. This year coming up we still got bibby, miller, peja, and a good amount of role players that we could try and do some sign and trades, or just trades straight up. Were gonna compete, trust me.
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Sure thing. :rolleyes:

You VASTLY underestimate all those other names you just randomly threw out. Yes, except for the half of that team that is now missing, including almost every defining face for the unique style of ball we used to play, we are just hunky dorry. Championship here we come! Never mind that we were a .500 team with this lineup and got bounced easily in the first round by an also ran opponent. I'm sure Phoenix, San Antonio, Miami, Detroit -- probably trembling in their boots about the new power rising in the West that's going to jump shoot them to death while complaining about how they are big meanies who play too rough. :rolleyes:
 
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I'm not dumping on webber. I said I'm not even gonna count webber cause he was gone more than half the season. Plus I said he was hobbling around on one leg. That's the truth. U love webber so much in the last "2" years for his triple doubles? Everyone knows the stats he was putting up were sometimes deceiving. I love webber, don't get me wrong. He and j-will were the reasons I became a kings fan in 98-99. I honestly think bibby, peja, miller, are a good core to build around. I know its early and we probably won't know how the team will look like, and some of u guys won't make predictions until like september, remember that right now I'm saying we will contend. None of u guys better say, "I told u so" in like april of next year. U guys act as if were talking about the hawks or raptors. I'm never gonna give up on this team until they finish the season without a playoff appearance. I constantly talk about the sad moments this team brought me, but there are still many great moments that can never be taken away. I wouldn't be a kings fan if I didn't think we could content next year. I'm gonna get responses for this post from people that don't agree with me, but who gives a s*** anymore.
 
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The off season is all about speculation anyway, so I am going to say YES.

Of course, our realistic situation demands that anybody thinking with their head is going to say that we have about as much chance of winning the championship next year as Dennis Rodman has of winning the Miss America pageant. As of right now, I have decided to not think with my head but my heart and say, "Heck yes, we can contend!"

Check back with me right before the season begins and I'll let you know what my head thinks then.
 
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