The thing is ... you keep ignoring this whole fact that the trio haven't played that many games together. I mean talent isn't even the issue that we're discussing now, it's the time that this "big 3" have spent together
Wrong. If you think that, you’re simply not paying enough attention to my posts. Not only have I not ignored that, but I’ve specifically pointed out how some other cores have actually had less time together to show what a lame excuse that is.
There isn’t much point though, as some of you are clearly hell bent on making excuses rather than demanding accountability. Must be liberals, hahaha.
You also can't compare them to a trio that includes 1 or more veterans even if they have only started playing together (CP3, Billups, Griffin), because vets know how to fit right in, and CP3 is the best PG in the league.
Well that’s convenient. Basically you’ve granted them immunity from criticism. Can’t point out how much better other cores are because the ages and time played don’t match exactly.
Sorry, not buying it. Age and time together is not an excuse for sucking THIS badly. In fact, there’s NO EXCUSE for sucking this badly. They’re losing their games by an average of over 20 points. They’ve broken records that no NBA team ever wants to break. They’re WORSE than last year, somehow!
They're getting booed at home and I can’t even defend them because the way they’ve played, they deserve it! After that debacle with Denver the players should make a public apology and refund the fans out of THEIR OWN POCKETS. I’m NOT joking!
It’s insulting to excuse this garbage basketball by trotting out the they’re young, you just have to be patient, etc. nonsense.
Some of the worst guys on the team aren't even that young! What’s their excuse?
If you’re in the NBA it’s expected that you be able to do certain things, like you know, basketball fundamentals that you learn in high school or college, REGARDLESS of age! If you can’t at least do the basics, they you should not be in the NBA!
In the case of OKC, it would support my point, because they got a lot better their 3rd year. If the Kings turn it around and do that soon, I’ll gladly eat crow. But so far, it ain’t happening.
It really proves nothing though because teams don’t exist in a vacuum. You should know this because you were so careful to point out to me how Big 3s don’t exist in a vacuum when I compared them.
It shows that while our "big 3" may not be the best in the league, we certainly aren't that far off from where other young teams were.
right, but I acknowledged all that. I never said they were the worst. I even named cores that are comparable. My point was just that they’re nowhere near the good teams.
Tyreke was also largely hindered by his foot last season.
I’m not sure how much stock I put in that.
If you’re that injured, then you shouldn’t play because you’re a liability to your team. I don’t believe the injury was the whole problem last year though because just like this year, he had great games here and there, just never was able to be consistant.
It's also about the personnel that you surround your star players with. Having a starting SF that can't hit a shot or play D or rebound is not the fault of Evans, Cousins or Thornton.
Granted. Which is why I’ve been careful not to lay it all at Tyreke’s feet. The thing is though, you need your best players to be the most consistent ones. You need them to be able to carry the team when other guys are sucking,
Consider this...
Tyreke's average in Kings wins - 22 points
Tyreke’s average in Kings losses - 13 points
Thornton's average in Kings wins - 22 points
Thornton's average in Kings losses - 13 points
Cousins' average in Kings losses - 14 points
Cousins' average in Kings wins - 16 points
That’s two of your core three that are wildy inconsistent, averaging a combined 44 points in wins and only 26 in losses.
Granted they’ve had a few good games in the losses but for the most part, they play well, Kings win.
Now I’m not saying that the Kings are 14 and 5 if those two play better. But I will say that I think they’re more like 9 and 10 or 10 and 9 and the losses are a lot more competitive.
These two have simply GOT TO play better. Youth isn’t an excuse. Cousins is younger than both and has less experience yet he’s playing better and is much more consistent.
I can confidently say that we will never have the best "big 3" in the league talent wise. As far as I'm concerned, this big 3 idea is a relatively new concept that only started with the Celtics, but then again I'm a rather young fan. There's a difference between having 3 superstars and having 2 superstars with a 3rd scoring option/ defensive stud. Kobe and Gasol + Bynum are not the same as LBJ, Wade and Bosh or KG, Pierce and Allen. I don't think anyone here has ever floated the idea that Marcus Thornton can someday be a superstar
Don’t take “big 3" too literally. It’s basically just a way of saying that you’re only as good as your best players. And I’m not asking for the best big 3 in the NBA. At this point, I’d be happy with one that was even in the top half.
The rest of us are just wise enough to see that the fact is the team IS young.
LOL, yeah, because I just can’t see that the team is young. Give me a break.
Using youth as an excuse for historically bad basketball is the opposite of wisdom. It’s myopic and lazy.
If I’ve been snarky or condescending, I apologize. I don’t like getting that way but it’s hard not to when it seems like folks are basically just out to gainsay whatever I say rather than actually consider what I’m saying and offer any type of insightful retort.
I’m just pointing out the obvious here, that two of the three Kings core players are failing and regressing. That’s not me hating, the data backs me up.
I’m just sick and darn tired of hearing this youth excuse. I’ve been listening to it for two and a half years and in that time the team has made NO progress whatsoever. How many more years do we have to do this before we can officially say that the youth card has passed its expiration date and these guys just simply aren't as good as we'd hoped they were?
