Cole Aldrich

[bajaden]

While I haven't seriously considered it, the thought of trading Cousins has recently crossed my mind....Hmmmm.........

Well let it keep traveling till its out of sight.. Cousins is going nowhere. Some of the idiots on this fourm won't be happy until they get Cousins replaced, and suddenly realize how good he is. The problem with greatness, is that after a while, some fans take it for granted, and then think just any old, or in Aldrich's case, young, center is just as good. Case in point. Not long ago, Cousins and Aldrich faced each other in a game, and Cousins had him for lunch. Now if you want to see that on a regular basis, just trade Cuz, and keep Aldrich, and then at least 4 times a year you can watch Cousins destroy Aldrich. No disrespect to Aldrich. There's a place for him in the league, and I'd be OK if it was with us, but its just not llikely.

 

[Kingster]

Well let it keep traveling till its out of sight.. Cousins is going nowhere. Some of the idiots on this fourm won't be happy until they get Cousins replaced, and suddenly realize how good he is. The problem with greatness, is that after a while, some fans take it for granted, and then think just any old, or in Aldrich's case, young, center is just as good. Case in point. Not long ago, Cousins and Aldrich faced each other in a game, and Cousins had him for lunch. Now if you want to see that on a regular basis, just trade Cuz, and keep Aldrich, and then at least 4 times a year you can watch Cousins destroy Aldrich. No disrespect to Aldrich. There's a place for him in the league, and I'd be OK if it was with us, but its just not llikely.

We'll have to respectfully disagree on this one.

Cousins is a child playing in a league of adults. The only greatness he has is the ability to greatly dissapoint. One minute he'll be all world - the potential shines brightly - and then Cousins' gravity turns it into a black hole. Some like that emotional rollercoster. For me, it's getting quite old. And I definitely believe that's it's prehistorically old for the players on this team. They didn't sign up for babysitting. They signed up to play basketball. It doesn't take facial recognition software to see their agonized embarrassment in dealing with Cousins.

You can't have a guy who has no contrition for his actions, thinks he's the victim of life, takes no responsibility and acts like a child in virtually every game he plays. The only argument for him is: but he has so much potential. Three years and he's still a mental midget. Time to cut your losses rather than ride this stock to zero and take a margin call.

 

[Padrino]

We'll have to respectfully disagree on this one.

Cousins is a child playing in a league of adults. The only greatness he has is the ability to greatly dissapoint. One minute he'll be all world - the potential shines brightly - and then Cousins' gravity turns it into a black hole. Some like that emotional rollercoster. For me, it's getting quite old. And I definitely believe that's it's prehistorically old for the players on this team. They didn't sign up for babysitting. They signed up to play basketball. It doesn't take facial recognition software to see their agonized embarrassment in dealing with Cousins.

You can't have a guy who has no contrition for his actions, thinks he's the victim of life, takes no responsibility and acts like a child in virtually every game he plays. The only argument for him is: but he has so much potential. Three years and he's still a mental midget. Time to cut your losses rather than ride this stock to zero and take a margin call.

when you're attempting to build a winner, that's an infinitely more persuasive argument than the one you've attempted build against him...

 

[Siranthony]

Just to clarify what I said... The thought of trading him crossed my mind for the first time. That doesnt mean one game has compl etly reversed my opinion of him. I would love to see this team go on a win streak after last night though.

 

[The_Jamal]

We'll have to respectfully disagree on this one.

Cousins is a child playing in a league of adults. The only greatness he has is the ability to greatly dissapoint. One minute he'll be all world - the potential shines brightly - and then Cousins' gravity turns it into a black hole. Some like that emotional rollercoster. For me, it's getting quite old. And I definitely believe that's it's prehistorically old for the players on this team. They didn't sign up for babysitting. They signed up to play basketball. It doesn't take facial recognition software to see their agonized embarrassment in dealing with Cousins.

You can't have a guy who has no contrition for his actions, thinks he's the victim of life, takes no responsibility and acts like a child in virtually every game he plays. The only argument for him is: but he has so much potential. Three years and he's still a mental midget. Time to cut your losses rather than ride this stock to zero and take a margin call.

I'd agree if the Kings were a stable environment to develop in. They are not and haven't been the past 6 years. Our young guys are essentially trying to get better on their own; without any real leadership from vets or the coaching circus we've had.

We envy, complain and bicker about missing out on guys like Kawhi Leonard, Lillard and other guys, but look at the situations those guys are developing in. Neither of those 2 guys would be the same player they are now had we drafted them. Go find some impact on-court vets (Billups, Brand, Allen) find a vet coach with real playoff experience and THEN we can go from there. Cousins still might never figure it out, but at least we put him in a position to succeed.

 

[LWP777]

Well let it keep traveling till its out of sight.. Cousins is going nowhere. Some of the idiots on this fourm won't be happy until they get Cousins replaced, and suddenly realize how good he is. The problem with greatness, is that after a while, some fans take it for granted, and then think just any old, or in Aldrich's case, young, center is just as good. Case in point. Not long ago, Cousins and Aldrich faced each other in a game, and Cousins had him for lunch. Now if you want to see that on a regular basis, just trade Cuz, and keep Aldrich, and then at least 4 times a year you can watch Cousins destroy Aldrich. No disrespect to Aldrich. There's a place for him in the league, and I'd be OK if it was with us, but its just not llikely.

So you're an idiot if you think trading Cousins in the right thing to do? I wouldn't expect to hear that from you Baja.

 

[LWP777]

We'll have to respectfully disagree on this one.

Cousins is a child playing in a league of adults. The only greatness he has is the ability to greatly dissapoint. One minute he'll be all world - the potential shines brightly - and then Cousins' gravity turns it into a black hole. Some like that emotional rollercoster. For me, it's getting quite old. And I definitely believe that's it's prehistorically old for the players on this team. They didn't sign up for babysitting. They signed up to play basketball. It doesn't take facial recognition software to see their agonized embarrassment in dealing with Cousins.

You can't have a guy who has no contrition for his actions, thinks he's the victim of life, takes no responsibility and acts like a child in virtually every game he plays. The only argument for him is: but he has so much potential. Three years and he's still a mental midget. Time to cut your losses rather than ride this stock to zero and take a margin call.

This post has so much win in it. Beautifully written.

 

[mac]

We'll have to respectfully disagree on this one.

Cousins is a child playing in a league of adults. The only greatness he has is the ability to greatly dissapoint. One minute he'll be all world - the potential shines brightly - and then Cousins' gravity turns it into a black hole. Some like that emotional rollercoster. For me, it's getting quite old. And I definitely believe that's it's prehistorically old for the players on this team. They didn't sign up for babysitting. They signed up to play basketball. It doesn't take facial recognition software to see their agonized embarrassment in dealing with Cousins.

You can't have a guy who has no contrition for his actions, thinks he's the victim of life, takes no responsibility and acts like a child in virtually every game he plays. The only argument for him is: but he has so much potential. Three years and he's still a mental midget. Time to cut your losses rather than ride this stock to zero and take a margin call.

Here's the part that I think is debatable. I'm sure most of the fans here would agree that if DMC never matures you can't hold on to him forever. But he's only 22, turning 23 now, is it really time to cut your losses? It doesn't matter how many years he's been in the league because maturity tends to be more an age-related thing than anything else. If anything, becoming an NBA player and suddenly having loads of cash would cause one to stay immature longer (as opposed to having to work hard to support your family etc).

IMO he still has 1-2 years left to prove he can settle down. 25 is a reasonable age to expect a person to have matured more.

 

[Padrino]

Here's the part that I think is debatable. I'm sure most of the fans here would agree that if DMC never matures you can't hold on to him forever. But he's only 22, turning 23 now, is it really time to cut your losses? It doesn't matter how many years he's been in the league because maturity tends to be more an age-related thing than anything else. If anything, becoming an NBA player and suddenly having loads of cash would cause one to stay immature longer (as opposed to having to work hard to support your family etc).

IMO he still has 1-2 years left to prove he can settle down. 25 is a reasonable age to expect a person to have matured more.

the more relevant question is what losses are there even to cut? trading cousins will not improve the kings' playoff chances. no player the kings receive in return will be of superstar-level potential, and further "flexible pieces" have never been the answer with this team. it would be a major setback to trade DMC at this juncture of his growth, and i'm not sure a lotta fans realize just how much deeper into the basement the kings could fall in such a scenario, and how much longer they could remain there, particularly when there's no guarantee of re-signing tyreke evans this offseason...

 

[bajaden]

So you're an idiot if you think trading Cousins in the right thing to do? I wouldn't expect to hear that from you Baja.

I didn't name anyone in particular did I? Didn't have to, I knew they would step up to the plate.

 

[The_Jamal]

Here's the part that I think is debatable. I'm sure most of the fans here would agree that if DMC never matures you can't hold on to him forever. But he's only 22, turning 23 now, is it really time to cut your losses? It doesn't matter how many years he's been in the league because maturity tends to be more an age-related thing than anything else. If anything, becoming an NBA player and suddenly having loads of cash would cause one to stay immature longer (as opposed to having to work hard to support your family etc).

IMO he still has 1-2 years left to prove he can settle down. 25 is a reasonable age to expect a person to have matured more.

I like this timetable. That will give him a few years with a revamped organization hopefully chalk full of veteran personal. Interestingly enough, I bet we could get a similar package then that we can now. I don't see anyone calling the Kings with their top assets to get Cousins, if we put him on the block this offseason. Unfortuantely, we're backed into two scenarios with Cousins. He either 1. Lives up to his potential with us or 2. We sell him for pennies on the dollar. The days are long gone of teams willing to give significant value to trade him

 

[bajaden]

We'll have to respectfully disagree on this one.

Cousins is a child playing in a league of adults. The only greatness he has is the ability to greatly dissapoint. One minute he'll be all world - the potential shines brightly - and then Cousins' gravity turns it into a black hole. Some like that emotional rollercoster. For me, it's getting quite old. And I definitely believe that's it's prehistorically old for the players on this team. They didn't sign up for babysitting. They signed up to play basketball. It doesn't take facial recognition software to see their agonized embarrassment in dealing with Cousins.

You can't have a guy who has no contrition for his actions, thinks he's the victim of life, takes no responsibility and acts like a child in virtually every game he plays. The only argument for him is: but he has so much potential. Three years and he's still a mental midget. Time to cut your losses rather than ride this stock to zero and take a margin call.

Well I'm going to respectfully disagree in return, but then I'm sure thats no surprise. And since you and I have been over this subject a million times, I see no point in continuing to trade respectful disagreements. To be quite honest, this whole Cousins discussion is starting to bore the hell out of me. Too much redunditcy!

 

[HereWeBoogie]

i love the things Aldrich brings to this team. and most of them are much needed. Height, Hustle, Rebounding, Shot Blocking, Dirty Work, Doesnt require the ball on Offense. he needs to get all of Chuck Hayes minutes from now on

 

[King Baller]

I like Cousins, he does need to grow up a bit. And a coach that will forge that fiery attitude into a blue flame focused on winning.

But this thread is about Cole Aldrich and the fine job he did against the Bulls. Came in when JT got in foul trouble and the game belonged to either team. He really has a nice feel for setting picks to free up shooters......HOW REFRESHING!!!!. He put the D on Noah, played big in the paint and just did what a back up 7 footer should do. I hope we get to see more of him. Throw it down......BIG MAN!!!

kb

 

[Warhawk]

So you're an idiot if you think trading Cousins in the right thing to do? I wouldn't expect to hear that from you Baja.

Unless you get one of a very short list of players back at this point, yes.

 

[SacTownGrantFan]

I want Aldrich to get more minutes on the floor, I like his defense and hustle.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

I want Aldrich to get more minutes on the floor, I like his defense and hustle.

i think most people feel that way, there is really no reason for Hayes to get minutes over him unless there is a special situation where Hayes needs to guard a post player who is killing us.

 

[Kingster]

The thought of trading Cousins has never crossed my mind. What crossed my mind YET AGAIN is that there are too many shooters on the floor. I believe this concept has been preached for half a decade. Somebody took the three players, IT, Tyreke, and Cousins and pointed out that any two of them functioned very well with the subtraction of one of them. Our offensive-minded three need the ball. Take out one and there is enough ball to satisfy the two. That's one point and as I think Cousins and Tyreke are more important than IT in the long run, I will still lobby for him to come off the bench.

There has become a huge sticky spot in our offense. That is the use of Cousins. It seems satisfactory to Smart to have an offense where Cousins periodically is given the ball to go into iso mode. There is no other type of play made for him. So Cousins gets the ball and everyone else watches. That's OK, I suppose, but will never lead to a game like last night. It does not lead to an offense where everyone feels like they will participate. Also, I swear that IT tends not to see Tyreke when Cousins is on the floor. In the PnR, Cousins gives a half hearted attempt at setting a pick and when he rolls, he knows he will not get the ball. The irony of that is that who is better than Cousins at rolling to the rim? This suits his skill set. Several times it is because IT doesn't even look to Cousins when he rolls. That's a waste.

We learned something last night and that is that there are many players that are useful. Some posters have said we have little skill on our team. I would say the opposite. Our problem is that what skill we have is not properly used. It will be good when a new regime takes over the Kings.

When Smart took over after the Westphal firing the offensive system was designed primarily around Cousins, and there was an obvious demotion of Tyreke in the offense. For the most part, I don't think that IT is out there making up the game plan on the fly. For the most part he's executing Smart's plan, which is to go to Cousins as the first option. (I say "for the most part" because it's obvious that at times IT gets carried away with himself when he's playing well and he temporarily goes off plan until Smart reigns him in). If IT was predominantly going off the Smart plan Smart certainly has a plethora of other pgs he can put in there to execute it.

 

[bajaden]

When Smart took over after the Westphal firing the offensive system was designed primarily around Cousins, and there was an obvious demotion of Tyreke in the offense. For the most part, I don't think that IT is out there making up the game plan on the fly. For the most part he's executing Smart's plan, which is to go to Cousins as the first option. (I say "for the most part" because it's obvious that at times IT gets carried away with himself when he's playing well and he temporarily goes off plan until Smart reigns him in). If IT was predominantly going off the Smart plan Smart certainly has a plethora of other pgs he can put in there to execute it.

I tend to agree with you. I think the system Smart has in place, if it is a system, is to have Cousins in the high post, and run the offense through him. Sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't. When it doesn't, thats when you see Cousins drive to the basket into a crowd and throw up a wild shot. Not saying that sometimes its not Cousins fault, but there are a lot times he just standing there holding the ball looking for movement somewhere so he can find an open man. All too often he also forces a pass that has no chance of getting to his man. A lot of it is inexperience borne out of desperation and frustration.

And, of course Tyreke gets lost in all of this at times. Hard to pin the blame on any one person, other than the coach that perhaps should come up with a plan that has a plan B and a plan C, in case plan A doesn't work.

 

[Spike]

Wait, wait, whoah. You want a coach to come up with a secondary option in case the first doesn't work? What is this, high school basketball or something elite like that?!

 

[Glenn]

Wait, wait, whoah. You want a coach to come up with a secondary option in case the first doesn't work? What is this, high school basketball or something elite like that?!

Silly goose!!

 

[Bricklayer]

When Smart took over after the Westphal firing the offensive system was designed primarily around Cousins, and there was an obvious demotion of Tyreke in the offense. For the most part, I don't think that IT is out there making up the game plan on the fly. For the most part he's executing Smart's plan, which is to go to Cousins as the first option. (I say "for the most part" because it's obvious that at times IT gets carried away with himself when he's playing well and he temporarily goes off plan until Smart reigns him in). If IT was predominantly going off the Smart plan Smart certainly has a plethora of other pgs he can put in there to execute it.

Nothing wrong with a Cousins centric primary plan at all.

The problem is in what comes next.