clutch situations!

[Fillmoe]

please!! do not let stojakovic take a game winning shot! lets be real for a minute hes a great player, im not here to bash him, but we all know hes not a clutch player! in clutch situations look for either bibby or mobley they have proven many times that they are capable of handling the pressure and taking the big shot!

 

[lil rob]

Most tems know that and thats why they maaake other players take that shot instead of bibby or mobley

 

[OurYear]

I would take that shot last night from peja anyday... You need to realize teams are looking for bibby more down the stretch. Peja got a good look and he took the shot.

 

[uolj]

please!! do not let stojakovic take a game winning shot! lets be real for a minute hes a great player, im not here to bash him, but we all know hes not a clutch player! in clutch situations look for either bibby or mobley they have proven many times that they are capable of handling the pressure and taking the big shot!

100% disagree.

Stojakovic is remarkably similar to another player that played for the Kings recently. Not specifically "clutch" but not really "unclutch" either. He just makes his normal plays, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Now, that other player learned to be clutch by forcing the action every chance he got at the end of close games. He always took the important last shot, and started making them (of course). That led to confidence and improvement until now he is actually a clutch shooter, someone who has a better chance of making the shot if the game is on the line.

I absolutely want Stojakovic taking every single game winning or tying last second shot for the Kings right now. If he does, he will gain extra confidence in doing that and go from being average to clutch at the end of the game.

 

[Heuge]

but we all know hes not a clutch player! i

he is not a clutch player, yet.

 

[piksi]

Pedja was the main reason that we had a chance for a shot to go into OT.
If it were for Bibby or Mobley we would have lost by 40 and this discussion would never take place. He earned that shot last night. And with 3 seconds to go he was open and Bibby was not

 

[royalroots]

in a situation like last night, peja had to take the shot. he wouldn't have gotten away with passing it back to mike and him getting a shot off. just wasn't going to happen. they were all over mike, and peja had a clean shot...sometimes thats how the dice roll, atleast it wasn't in one of our big mans hands out at the three...that woulda been ugly.

 

[Ryle]

Pedja was the main reason that we had a chance for a shot to go into OT.
If it were for Bibby or Mobley we would have lost by 40 and this discussion would never take place. He earned that shot last night. And with 3 seconds to go he was open and Bibby was not

Well, I believe it was Bibby who hit the shot that put them in position to tie the game at the end. Peja just couldn't finish it.

 

[iheartBrad]

I would take that shot last night from peja anyday... You need to realize teams are looking for bibby more down the stretch. Peja got a good look and he took the shot.

i agree

Peja DOES have the ability to hit a very timely shot...and he did get a good look at it...::shrugs:: just didn't fall...ill live with that

 

[Bibby_10]

Pedja was the main reason that we had a chance for a shot to go into OT.
If it were for Bibby or Mobley we would have lost by 40 and this discussion would never take place. He earned that shot last night. And with 3 seconds to go he was open and Bibby was not

Unfortunately Mobley was WIDE open from what I remember.

 

[piksi]

Well, I believe it was Bibby who hit the shot that put them in position to tie the game at the end. Peja just couldn't finish it.

Yes but it was Bibby who shot 10-26 and allowed Nelson a career night to put us in that hole. If he had a decent game Kings would have not needed that shot

 

[piksi]

Unfortunately Mobley was WIDE open from what I remember.

Whenn Skinner passed it to Pedja there was 1.5 sec to go. Look was good enough to take it

 

[Bricklayer]

I agree that Peja is not clutch, never has been clutch for us, at least as regards game-eneding shots. I can count on one hand (actually three fingers) the number of game winners/tyers he has in his whole career, and we're probably down into my toes on the ones he's missed.

But as I mentioned in the grades thread, I think it was worth it in a regular season game to try to give him that confidence. Now if he really keeps missing I don't think its worth it to be sacrificing games left and right when you have far superior clutch shooters in the backcourt (indeed that only further hurts Peja's confidence and demoralizes the team). But I do think its worth the effort right now to try to convince him that he can make that shot. Not sure whether you can "make" a guy clutch or not, but I am very much aware of the Webb example where a guy who had run from clutch situations for half his career finally hit one, then two, then turned into a full fledged clutch shooter. It would be a huge boon to the team if Peja could turn that same corner.

 

[Bibby_10]

Yes but it was Bibby who shot 10-26 and allowed Nelson a career night to put us in that hole. If he had a decent game Kings would have not needed that shot

Its decided then. Lets trade Bibby.

 

[bozzwell]

Whenn Skinner passed it to Pedja there was 1.5 sec to go. Look was good enough to take it

I think he was refering to the in-bound pass. Cat was wide open even before Skinner got the ball, but clearly RA wanted Pedja to take it as was evident from the sideline discussion (between RA, Mike and Pedja).

 

[bigbadred00]

You people act like Jordan never missed a clutch shot. He missed a ton. I can't remember him missing one in the playoffs during there run but I suppose he missed one when they were losing to the Pistons. You can't expect anyone or any team to hit every clutch shot. We've hit WAY more then our fair share this year between Bibby, Webber and Mobley. I can remember atleast 6 or 7 vididly, 2 by Webber-Milwaukee and Houston, Bibby, repeatedly, and Mobley a couple lately. You can't expect us to win all of those. It's impossible. In years past during the regular season things like that didn't have to happen for us to win. This year it's been different. There have only been a couple times the Spurs have done it this year, and it what we used to do in the past. Duncan hit one this week, Manu had one versus the Grizzles but wasn't enough last week, and Manu and the team were pretty clutch versus the Suns earlier this year. Point being if we played D for 4 quarters we wouldn't put ourselves in all of these situations. The first half dozen or so situations all came out on our side and lately it seems to be the reverse. It happens. Don't expect us to hit every clutch shot because not even Michael did it.

 

[VF21]

Right now I'll be happy if we can get to the point where who shoots the clutch shot is in the top five of our biggest worries.

 

[Fillmoe]

You people act like Jordan never missed a clutch shot. He missed a ton. I can't remember him missing one in the playoffs during there run but I suppose he missed one when they were losing to the Pistons. You can't expect anyone or any team to hit every clutch shot. We've hit WAY more then our fair share this year between Bibby, Webber and Mobley. I can remember atleast 6 or 7 vididly, 2 by Webber-Milwaukee and Houston, Bibby, repeatedly, and Mobley a couple lately. You can't expect us to win all of those. It's impossible. In years past during the regular season things like that didn't have to happen for us to win. This year it's been different. There have only been a couple times the Spurs have done it this year, and it what we used to do in the past. Duncan hit one this week, Manu had one versus the Grizzles but wasn't enough last week, and Manu and the team were pretty clutch versus the Suns earlier this year. Point being if we played D for 4 quarters we wouldn't put ourselves in all of these situations. The first half dozen or so situations all came out on our side and lately it seems to be the reverse. It happens. Don't expect us to hit every clutch shot because not even Michael did it.

a ton? try 23. and i dont ever remember jordan missing 2 straight free throws after making 100 and some odd straight. peja is a GREAT player but as of right now hes not known as being clutch.

 

[bigbadred00]

I'm not excusing Peja. I know what he's done. Peja is no way MJ. I'm not going to go that. But the thing is the Kings this year have made way more then there fair share of stealing games due to game ending baskets. Way more then I ever remember especially during the regular season. I'm not saying Peja should have or shouldn't have taken the shot, point is we as a team can't hit all of them. We just stole a game from the Wizards, we can't steal them all this year.

 

[LjuboDaMan]

Unfortunately Mobley was WIDE open from what I remember.

I dont know ... didnt see the game ...

but if Peja was open too ? no brainer ... shoot the damn ball ... pass to who ? no1 ... if ure open SHOOT ITTTTTTT ... one day it will go in ... thats the best shooter in the league taking an open shot ... sometimes it will go in , sometimes not

 

[VF21]

Up until February, it was pretty much agreed that BIBBY was the most clutch on this team. Would someone/anyone tell me what has happened to change THAT part of the equation? When push comes to shove I would still put the ball in Bibby's hands. A lot of things have changed but that sure isn't one of them.

 

[love_them_kings]

Up until February, it was pretty much agreed that BIBBY was the most clutch on this team. Would someone/anyone tell me what has happened to change THAT part of the equation? When push comes to shove I would still put the ball in Bibby's hands. A lot of things have changed but that sure isn't one of them.

I would agree with you here. The only problem now is that if you're worried about the other team fouling, then you have to consider that Bibby's free throw shooting is less consistent than in prior years.

 

[bojan_pecanac]

Yes Peja was open, he took one dribble to get away from the defender and kinda faded to the left but there was no hand in his face. I was disappointed that he missed. Bibby SHOULD be taking that last shot and he's proved why many times but has he never missed a clutch shot before? I've seen him miss crucial free throws a couple of times. Nobody's perfect.

 

[VF21]

That isn't the point, bojan. Please read my comment AGAIN before you get your panties in a bunch.

I would STILL want the ball in Bibby's hands at the crucial juncture because he has ice water in his veins, love_them_kings. We're talking about the last second critical shot, pure and simple. Bibby, all the way.

EDIT: I'm speaking in general terms because at least some posters around here now seemingly want to put the ball in Peja's hands for critical shots and, in general, I disagree.

 

[Bricklayer]

Yes Peja was open, he took one dribble to get away from the defender and kinda faded to the left but there was no hand in his face. I was disappointed that he missed. Bibby SHOULD be taking that last shot and he's proved why many times but has he never missed a clutch shot before? I've seen him miss crucial free throws a couple of times. Nobody's perfect.

Well, as I said earlier in this thread, Bibby SHOULD be taking that shot, and Mobley would be my next choice, IF it were the playoffs. If it really mattered. I would have been a little agitated about Peja taking that shot if this were May and it was a must have game. But in a regular season game, maybe its worth it to give Peja a chance to hit one + gain some confidence in that situation.

 

[love_them_kings]

That isn't the point, bojan. Please read my comment AGAIN before you get your panties in a bunch.

I would STILL want the ball in Bibby's hands at the crucial juncture because he has ice water in his veins, love_them_kings. We're talking about the last second critical shot, pure and simple. Bibby, all the way.

EDIT: I'm speaking in general terms because at least some posters around here now seemingly want to put the ball in Peja's hands for critical shots and, in general, I disagree.

I would still give the ball to Bibby too, but I was just trying to come up with a reason that Peja was given that shot. I thought they might foul fast, and Peja was hitting his free throws. But yeah, if I'm the coach Bibby gets the ball. Peja had a great night, but I still was hoping Bibby, or even Mobley, would get that shot.

 

[HndsmCelt]

Bibby did not have the shot, he was covered and Skineer had his back to Cat, Pedja got loos and got to "his spot" no regrets on that choice at all. You want to second guess and make judgments/rules how about looking at the rebounding and fining every player over 6' 9" who comes up with less than 6 boards, players 6'5"-6'9" wiht less than 4 and palyers under 6'5" that are under 2... Pedjas last second miss did not cost the team the game, the team lost the game and he was unable to save them.

 

[VF21]

Bibby did not have the shot, he was covered and Skineer had his back to Cat, Pedja got loos and got to "his spot" no regrets on that choice at all. You want to second guess and make judgments/rules how about looking at the rebounding and fining every player over 6' 9" who comes up with less than 6 boards, players 6'5"-6'9" wiht less than 4 and palyers under 6'5" that are under 2... Pedjas last second miss did not cost the team the game, the team lost the game and he was unable to save them.

If you're addressing my comments, then apparently I haven't made it very clear because I, at least, wasn't talking about last night. I was referring to those who seem to want to make PEJA the first clutch option and I just don't think he's the right one for the job.

 

[HndsmCelt]

I was adressing the innital post

 

[LjuboDaMan]

Bibby did not have the shot, he was covered and Skineer had his back to Cat, Pedja got loos and got to "his spot" no regrets on that choice at all. You want to second guess and make judgments/rules how about looking at the rebounding and fining every player over 6' 9" who comes up with less than 6 boards, players 6'5"-6'9" wiht less than 4 and palyers under 6'5" that are under 2... Pedjas last second miss did not cost the team the game, the team lost the game and he was unable to save them.

true ... we always rely on that last shot ... its a 50-50 situation ... no D ... no rebounding ... DATS IT

bibby or peja ... whoever is open ... dis time was Peja ... he missed ... lets move on ... gosh