City is "stuck" and unable to move forward

This doesn't make me afraid because I'm not sure what is worse than where we are right now. I think the Kings are rattling the cage of the NBA and further and further putting themselves on the outside of this rich people's club and posing themselves as an enemy. I can't see how that benefits them and I personally wouldn't want to be an owner that is not liked not only be the league but perhaps by the Kings minority owners. They are painting themselves into a corner and as much as George might like the thrill of the fight, I still can't bring myself to believing that the family is in unanimity. There are a few of them who want to be liked and doing this will certainly change their perception by the outside world.

As to walking away from the PBP if the City builds a competing arena, I suppose they could. Apparently verbiage something like that is in the contract but if the downtown arena books acts that state they could not perform at PBP, it might make for an interesting argument. For instance, if the NCAA came back to the new arena, what could be said by the Maloofs? They already lost that deal with an inadequate arena. It seems odd that the pig headed stance of the Maloofs to destroy the City's dreams also can make things even worse by sticking the city with the $67 mil.

Getting to a point, "actions detrimental to the league" is an interesting phrase. Does the NBA want to look like it is willing to screw over cities? Pro sports already have a small image problem with how much money everybody seems to be making. This would push this specific franchise over the edge as it certainly appears that the owners have no sense of conscience in screwing a city already saddled by high unemployment, etc. Do they want this battle? Can they afford this battle? Who else will loan them money to keep them afloat unless that person/entity eventually wants ownership? They are painted into a corner and I think sooner or later "selling" will seem like a very reasonable way of handling this mess.
 
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Well, they're going out with all guns blazing - you have to give them credit for that. However, I'm "OK" with them walking away from the debt if they walk away from the team as well. New ownership (willing to put a winning product on the floor) and a new arena will make up the money a lot faster than sitting on PBP.
 
I posted this in another thread. The loan can't be forgiven. The investors who purchased shares in the bond sale are guranteeed payment by the city. That's how municipal bonds work.

Folks, we can't build a competing arena, if it would allow the Maloofs to walk away from the bond loan that has a $67 million principal still owing.

It's not simply a matter of the bondholders not being repaid. It wasn't the city the original loan funds came from, it was municipal bond investors. The city's involvement is to guarantee repayment to the bond purchasers. In other words, if the Maloofs default, the city becomes liable for repayment of the balance of the loan payments (principal and interest). Our city has enough fiscal problems without taking on the burden of repaying the Maloofs' loan balance, plus interest payments.

It would just be a nightmare for the city on top of all the other financial issues facing Sacramento.

(Note there is also a penalty amount for paying of the loan early, if we even could.)
 
I posted this in another thread. The loan can't be forgiven. The investors who purchased shares in the bond sale are guranteeed payment by the city. That's how municipal bonds work.

Folks, we can't build a competing arena, if it would allow the Maloofs to walk away from the bond loan that has a $67 million principal still owing.

It's not simply a matter of the bondholders not being repaid. It wasn't the city the original loan funds came from, it was municipal bond investors. The city's involvement is to guarantee repayment to the bond purchasers. In other words, if the Maloofs default, the city becomes liable for repayment of the balance of the loan payments (principal and interest). Our city has enough fiscal problems without taking on the burden of repaying the Maloofs' loan balance, plus interest payments.

It would just be a nightmare for the city on top of all the other financial issues facing Sacramento.

(Note there is also a penalty amount for paying of the loan early, if we even could.)

It sound like the city did the right thing and helped the Kings with a loan several years back. Now the Maloofs have the city over a barrel and they know it. They have been raking the city over the coals ever since. "We demand a new arena or we wil leave and you will be screwed". When the city gives them a deal on the new arena they say they want unsecured loans and other demands that are unreasonable. The city is screwed and the Maloofs know it. They have no problem taking advantage of the situation. It's really a sad situation. I can't express my feelings about the Maloofs any more.

At this point if the Maloofs took the Kings somewhere else I would not care. the only problem is it could leave the city in trouble. So we are almost forced to support the team. I hope the NBA sees this situation is untennable and helps the city!
 
Good breakdown by the bee. We’re all stuck in a complete stalemate.

City – There is nothing they can really do. They can’t make the Kings bargain or sell. It will be really tough to build an arena in Sacramento without an anchor tenant and doing so might cost the city over 67 million they don’t have. KJ has to keep moving the pieces around, but I think his options are fairly limited.

The league – Their options are also limited. They can’t make the Maloofs take the arena deal. They can’t make the Maloofs sell to another owner. In terms of keeping a team here, contraction is off the table. The argument for contraction is the market can’t sustain a team. If the league broke that tool out of the box to remove black sheep owners and then put another owner into the same market a few years later, the Maloofs would have a slam dunk lawsuit under several legal theories.

Stern has been very clear that “The Maloofs have the right to keep playing at Arco.” With the unsaid remainder that they don’t have the right to do anything else.

The league really has a problem. Public money for arenas is drying up all over the country. After the Seattle mess, the league stepped in. The city agreed to fund 2/3 of the project and the NBA said it was a great deal for everybody, and the Maloofs threw that money back into the city’s face. That’s a huge problem for the league. At the same time, it’s probably not enough to rip control away from the team. The application of the “best interest of the league” clause has been really spotty in court.

At this point, you have to assume the Maloofs need to wait another 2-3 years of playing before sparse crowds before trying to force their way out. At which point, the league’s efforts to restrict their movement will seem unfair and unreasonable to a jury of non-sports fans in San Francisco (most likely where the federal case would be moved). If not a lawsuit, that’s the threat, and the Maloofs hope 16 owners just throw their hands up and give in. They clearly want to leave, it’s only a matter of when. It’s essentially become the movie Major League, they’d like to break even by keeping salary low but they don’t care if you don’t come to the bad games because that helps them as well. If they are patient and pay off the loan on Acro with Samuelli’s money, I think they are clearly gone.

On the flip side, Stern has to hope they try to: (1) push their way out of town next season; and (2) dump Arco back onto the city in the process. While both are probably their legal right, that’s probably enough to take the team away. The a franchise borrowed 70 million to make it work here, and the subsequent owners let the collateral go to hell, blew up a deal to keep the team here and boost the local economy, and took the option to destroyed the city’s general fund on the way out the door – Stern will have the votes to take the team back. Allowing that to happen is not in the best interest of the league.

So if the Kings rush, we might get new owners and to keep the team. And if the Kings are patient, smart, and get a big enough loan from Samuelli, the team is already gone and just marking time here. You can joke all you want about the Maloofs not being smart or good at business, but at this point their anti-trust lawyer is calling the shots on relocation. Between the national TV deal and revenue sharing, they should be able to limp along for 2-3 years regarless of attendance. If they play their cards right, the team can leave. If they don’t, the league can try to take the team away if they can muster enough votes.


Fans – They’ve done enough damage to the market this spring that, even if you try to support the team trying to keep them here, absent a contending team with a super low payroll, it’s not going to be enough to block a move. At the same time, if nobody comes to the games, the Maloofs case against the league gets stronger. You love the Kings, but they are probably already gone and any money you spend supports the owners that are doing everything in their power to kill basketball here and perhaps destroy the local economy. No easy or clear choices here either.

So, we wait. Next March is interesting. It might either be the end or a new beginning. After that, it just gets progressively grimmer each season.

And many local fans won’t have any clue. Grant is the only local sports talk show at this point, and he’s no longer taking any calls on the issue until there is “news.” Because were in a stalemate, there isn’t going to be much news. He didn’t even address the fact that Stern said the team made a mistake by not taking the deal this week, which is pretty big news. George Maloof said the team wants to stay, so that’s just the way it is. If you’d like to call to get other fans excited about the draft or free agency, that’s great. But if you’d like to point out that the team is slowly headed out of town, you can’t. And this is getting no national press.
 
Good breakdown by the bee. We’re all stuck in a complete stalemate.

City – There is nothing they can really do. They can’t make the Kings bargain or sell. It will be really tough to build an arena in Sacramento without an anchor tenant and doing so might cost the city over 67 million they don’t have. KJ has to keep moving the pieces around, but I think his options are fairly limited.

The league – Their options are also limited. They can’t make the Maloofs take the arena deal. They can’t make the Maloofs sell to another owner. In terms of keeping a team here, contraction is off the table. The argument for contraction is the market can’t sustain a team. If the league broke that tool out of the box to remove black sheep owners and then put another owner into the same market a few years later, the Maloofs would have a slam dunk lawsuit under several legal theories.

Stern has been very clear that “The Maloofs have the right to keep playing at Arco.” With the unsaid remainder that they don’t have the right to do anything else.

The league really has a problem. Public money for arenas is drying up all over the country. After the Seattle mess, the league stepped in. The city agreed to fund 2/3 of the project and the NBA said it was a great deal for everybody, and the Maloofs threw that money back into the city’s face. That’s a huge problem for the league. At the same time, it’s probably not enough to rip control away from the team. The application of the “best interest of the league” clause has been really spotty in court.

At this point, you have to assume the Maloofs need to wait another 2-3 years of playing before sparse crowds before trying to force their way out. At which point, the league’s efforts to restrict their movement will seem unfair and unreasonable to a jury of non-sports fans in San Francisco (most likely where the federal case would be moved). If not a lawsuit, that’s the threat, and the Maloofs hope 16 owners just throw their hands up and give in. They clearly want to leave, it’s only a matter of when. It’s essentially become the movie Major League, they’d like to break even by keeping salary low but they don’t care if you don’t come to the bad games because that helps them as well. If they are patient and pay off the loan on Acro with Samuelli’s money, I think they are clearly gone.

On the flip side, Stern has to hope they try to: (1) push their way out of town next season; and (2) dump Arco back onto the city in the process. While both are probably their legal right, that’s probably enough to take the team away. The a franchise borrowed 70 million to make it work here, and the subsequent owners let the collateral go to hell, blew up a deal to keep the team here and boost the local economy, and took the option to destroyed the city’s general fund on the way out the door – Stern will have the votes to take the team back. Allowing that to happen is not in the best interest of the league.

So if the Kings rush, we might get new owners and to keep the team. And if the Kings are patient, smart, and get a big enough loan from Samuelli, the team is already gone and just marking time here. You can joke all you want about the Maloofs not being smart or good at business, but at this point their anti-trust lawyer is calling the shots on relocation. Between the national TV deal and revenue sharing, they should be able to limp along for 2-3 years regarless of attendance. If they play their cards right, the team can leave. If they don’t, the league can try to take the team away if they can muster enough votes.


Fans – They’ve done enough damage to the market this spring that, even if you try to support the team trying to keep them here, absent a contending team with a super low payroll, it’s not going to be enough to block a move. At the same time, if nobody comes to the games, the Maloofs case against the league gets stronger. You love the Kings, but they are probably already gone and any money you spend supports the owners that are doing everything in their power to kill basketball here and perhaps destroy the local economy. No easy or clear choices here either.

So, we wait. Next March is interesting. It might either be the end or a new beginning. After that, it just gets progressively grimmer each season.

And many local fans won’t have any clue. Grant is the only local sports talk show at this point, and he’s no longer taking any calls on the issue until there is “news.” Because were in a stalemate, there isn’t going to be much news. He didn’t even address the fact that Stern said the team made a mistake by not taking the deal this week, which is pretty big news. George Maloof said the team wants to stay, so that’s just the way it is. If you’d like to call to get other fans excited about the draft or free agency, that’s great. But if you’d like to point out that the team is slowly headed out of town, you can’t. And this is getting no national press.

Nice analysis. The one missing part for me is the financial advantage of leaving to the Maloofs. Do we have sufficient facts to know that the deal they would get elsewhere would be significantly better than what they could get in Sacramento? If it's all dollars and cents, then you've got to look at both sides of the ledger.

As an aside, I wonder if the "change of mind" by the Maloofs was precipitated by a call from their banker. Just speculation on my part, but it seems to me their friendly banker might not have been overjoyed at a lot more debt added to the balance sheet because of the arena deal. Maybe that's why they were jumping for joy one minute and running for the hills the next.
 
Good breakdown by the bee. We’re all stuck in a complete stalemate.

City – There is nothing they can really do. They can’t make the Kings bargain or sell. It will be really tough to build an arena in Sacramento without an anchor tenant and doing so might cost the city over 67 million they don’t have. KJ has to keep moving the pieces around, but I think his options are fairly limited.

The league – Their options are also limited. They can’t make the Maloofs take the arena deal. They can’t make the Maloofs sell to another owner. In terms of keeping a team here, contraction is off the table. The argument for contraction is the market can’t sustain a team. If the league broke that tool out of the box to remove black sheep owners and then put another owner into the same market a few years later, the Maloofs would have a slam dunk lawsuit under several legal theories.

Stern has been very clear that “The Maloofs have the right to keep playing at Arco.” With the unsaid remainder that they don’t have the right to do anything else.

The league really has a problem. Public money for arenas is drying up all over the country. After the Seattle mess, the league stepped in. The city agreed to fund 2/3 of the project and the NBA said it was a great deal for everybody, and the Maloofs threw that money back into the city’s face. That’s a huge problem for the league. At the same time, it’s probably not enough to rip control away from the team. The application of the “best interest of the league” clause has been really spotty in court.

At this point, you have to assume the Maloofs need to wait another 2-3 years of playing before sparse crowds before trying to force their way out. At which point, the league’s efforts to restrict their movement will seem unfair and unreasonable to a jury of non-sports fans in San Francisco (most likely where the federal case would be moved). If not a lawsuit, that’s the threat, and the Maloofs hope 16 owners just throw their hands up and give in. They clearly want to leave, it’s only a matter of when. It’s essentially become the movie Major League, they’d like to break even by keeping salary low but they don’t care if you don’t come to the bad games because that helps them as well. If they are patient and pay off the loan on Acro with Samuelli’s money, I think they are clearly gone.

On the flip side, Stern has to hope they try to: (1) push their way out of town next season; and (2) dump Arco back onto the city in the process. While both are probably their legal right, that’s probably enough to take the team away. The a franchise borrowed 70 million to make it work here, and the subsequent owners let the collateral go to hell, blew up a deal to keep the team here and boost the local economy, and took the option to destroyed the city’s general fund on the way out the door – Stern will have the votes to take the team back. Allowing that to happen is not in the best interest of the league.

So if the Kings rush, we might get new owners and to keep the team. And if the Kings are patient, smart, and get a big enough loan from Samuelli, the team is already gone and just marking time here. You can joke all you want about the Maloofs not being smart or good at business, but at this point their anti-trust lawyer is calling the shots on relocation. Between the national TV deal and revenue sharing, they should be able to limp along for 2-3 years regarless of attendance. If they play their cards right, the team can leave. If they don’t, the league can try to take the team away if they can muster enough votes.


Fans – They’ve done enough damage to the market this spring that, even if you try to support the team trying to keep them here, absent a contending team with a super low payroll, it’s not going to be enough to block a move. At the same time, if nobody comes to the games, the Maloofs case against the league gets stronger. You love the Kings, but they are probably already gone and any money you spend supports the owners that are doing everything in their power to kill basketball here and perhaps destroy the local economy. No easy or clear choices here either.

So, we wait. Next March is interesting. It might either be the end or a new beginning. After that, it just gets progressively grimmer each season.

And many local fans won’t have any clue. Grant is the only local sports talk show at this point, and he’s no longer taking any calls on the issue until there is “news.” Because were in a stalemate, there isn’t going to be much news. He didn’t even address the fact that Stern said the team made a mistake by not taking the deal this week, which is pretty big news. George Maloof said the team wants to stay, so that’s just the way it is. If you’d like to call to get other fans excited about the draft or free agency, that’s great. But if you’d like to point out that the team is slowly headed out of town, you can’t. And this is getting no national press.

Good summary, but Stern has issued a not so veiled threat about pulling the Kings off the revenue sharing. All it would take is a vote and I think Stern could pull that off if he wanted. That is going to hit them in the wallet.
Also coming up with 16 owners who are sick of the situation isn't so easy. The league has a Maloof problem that needs to be fixed - not a Sacramento problem. By allowing the Maloofs to move, their problem just moves with them. They thumbed their nose at the NBA's assistance in the arena deal. Not just David Stern but also other owners like Clay Bennett and Glen Taylor. I don't think the Maloofs can ultimately win against a league that is very tired of their questionable business practices.
 
One more thing about the Anaheim and Samueli connection. A league approval to move doesn't exactly mean easy to move. Real damages to the Lakers and Clippers is going to exceed the projected 50 million relocation fee that Samueli was ready to assist with. The other 25 million of the reported 75 million was Samueli renovating the Honda Center. At what point does Samueli think it is too much to loan the Maloofs? The only collateral is the team and if the actual relocation fee is 100 million or more, then it has to pencil out for both Samueli and the Maloofs. The NBA will not front that money for the move like they would have for the new arena.
 
How does this work for the minority owners? I guess they have to shut up and accept whatever the Maloosers do, as they are just silent partners.

But do they have to take in debt because the majority owners can make them? For example, the Maloosers want to relocate and have the team take a loan to cover the expenses. Or take the league's 73M advance to build the arena. Does that mean the minority owners are forced into debt and a devaluation of their team ownership? Or are all those debts only against MSE and the minority owners are not liable for it?

I'd be pissed if I was a minority owner and these fools are taking loans on my behalf...
 
Good summary, but Stern has issued a not so veiled threat about pulling the Kings off the revenue sharing. All it would take is a vote and I think Stern could pull that off if he wanted. That is going to hit them in the wallet.
Also coming up with 16 owners who are sick of the situation isn't so easy. The league has a Maloof problem that needs to be fixed - not a Sacramento problem. By allowing the Maloofs to move, their problem just moves with them. They thumbed their nose at the NBA's assistance in the arena deal. Not just David Stern but also other owners like Clay Bennett and Glen Taylor. I don't think the Maloofs can ultimately win against a league that is very tired of their questionable business practices.

As to revenue sharing, that's a double edged sword. The Maloofs have to make the case to a jury that they are being both unreasonably barred from moving and the league is trying to force them out. If the league changed the rules a year after they were drafted to deal with this problem, it might help the Maloofs make a case.

It's good for Sacramento if the Maloofs get force out, but not good if it leads to a lawsuit where the jury finds the league was unreasonable.

The next 1-3 years is a posturing contest between the Maloofs and the league over a lawsuit. That's the leverage that drives this. Right now the league is only a little ahead, and whoever acts more reasonably will improve their case. What you propose would hurt the NBA's case.

I think Stern is showing the Maloofs what is on the table, but I don't think it's something he can do until 2014 or 2015.
 
As to revenue sharing, that's a double edged sword. The Maloofs have to make the case to a jury that they are being both unreasonably barred from moving and the league is trying to force them out. If the league changed the rules a year after they were drafted to deal with this problem, it might help the Maloofs make a case.

It's good for Sacramento if the Maloofs get force out, but not good if it leads to a lawsuit where the jury finds the league was unreasonable.

The next 1-3 years is a posturing contest between the Maloofs and the league over a lawsuit. That's the leverage that drives this. Right now the league is only a little ahead, and whoever acts more reasonably will improve their case. What you propose would hurt the NBA's case.

I think Stern is showing the Maloofs what is on the table, but I don't think it's something he can do until 2014 or 2015.

I think Stern said the new CBA had provisions that would prevent teams from gaming the system in regards to revenue sharing.
 
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As to revenue sharing, that's a double edged sword. The Maloofs have to make the case to a jury that they are being both unreasonably barred from moving and the league is trying to force them out. If the league changed the rules a year after they were drafted to deal with this problem, it might help the Maloofs make a case.

It's good for Sacramento if the Maloofs get force out, but not good if it leads to a lawsuit where the jury finds the league was unreasonable.

The next 1-3 years is a posturing contest between the Maloofs and the league over a lawsuit. That's the leverage that drives this. Right now the league is only a little ahead, and whoever acts more reasonably will improve their case. What you propose would hurt the NBA's case.

I think Stern is showing the Maloofs what is on the table, but I don't think it's something he can do until 2014 or 2015.

It boggles the mind what all the Maloofs think has to go right in order for all this to go their way. They will be doing an Al Davis sized FU to the entire league into which they are a member in order to move. Just to move to a market where they probably eventually lose their team anyway to Samueli. Don't believe me? Read the Honda Center lease again. BIG UPPER CASE WORDS to the effect that Sameuli can call in the entire loan balance if any payment is late - no matter if the building fell to the ground would there be an escape.
 
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