Chris Paul available this off-season?

This is just some wishful thinking on our part. Paul will NOT be traded. He is their only drawcard and worth every cent they are paying him. He is young and still has best basketball in front of him.

If we became available, there is no one on our roster I wouldn't trade to get him. Would trade out picks this year and next year.

Paul is a genuine franchise player. Someone you definetly build around.

As Brick said if you could land Paul and somehow also land Amare you are back in business. We are not that lucky. Paul is not going anywhere.
 
If Paul forces a trade, I don't think Sac is an unreasonable destination. Scott has publicly stated he like to coach the Kings or Lakers. Paul has publicly stated how much he likes Scott as his coach.

With that said, we HAVE the pieces to land a Paul type player(REBUILD pieces).

We off Thomas' expiring, TPE from our cap, Rights to our 2009 pick(Griffin/Rubio potentially), perhaps another 2010 first round pick or Hawes(if we get Chandler).

In return we take Paul/Stojakovic or Chandler off their hands.

The Hornets get pieces to rebuild with, get financial savings and get extremely good vaue for Paul.

Superstars NEVER get traded for other superstars, it's aways for rebuilding pieces. ALWAYS.

C. Paul is going to make 14 mil next year. Last time I checked, salaries had to match. The only player with enough salary to make the deal work is Martin who is scheduled to make around 10 mil. If you throw in our first round pick, especially if its the first pick and the deal would probably work.

They would end up with Martin and Rubio if thats the direction they wanted to go in. Or they could draft Griffin. If you really want Paul to come here, then you have to keep enough talent here to make it appealing.

I don't think there's a chance in hell that Paul ends up here. If they truely try and move him, I would give it my best shot, but the odds would be slim..
 
What are we looking at? Two unprotected 1st rounders, blake included plus all their dead money for all our expiring money plus cash on the side. This topic feels like deja vu. I won't say its impossible, but i think that the hornets would have to dissolve for it to happen.
 
C. Paul is going to make 14 mil next year. Last time I checked, salaries had to match. The only player with enough salary to make the deal work is Martin who is scheduled to make around 10 mil. If you throw in our first round pick, especially if its the first pick and the deal would probably work.

They would end up with Martin and Rubio if thats the direction they wanted to go in. Or they could draft Griffin. If you really want Paul to come here, then you have to keep enough talent here to make it appealing.

I don't think there's a chance in hell that Paul ends up here. If they truely try and move him, I would give it my best shot, but the odds would be slim..
Well if we are going to be under the cap next year then I don't think the salaries have to match! But you are right, its not even going to be an issue because CP3 is not going anywhere!
 
Is this the closest you can get?

One could argue that Mitch Richmond for Chris Webber was such a trade.

But if it wasn't, then one could also say that, through 6 decades, the Royals/Kings franchise has never received a superstar in any trade, only through the draft, and that people should quit wasting time dreaming about having one of the top 3 or 4 players in the NBA traded to us in exchange for whatever we happen to have handy at the time.
 
Well if we are going to be under the cap next year then I don't think the salaries have to match! But you are right, its not even going to be an issue because CP3 is not going anywhere!

Your right about the cap space. I just didn't think that N.O. would be looking for cap space in return. Martin and the first pick in the draft just sounded more lucrative to me. :)
 
Did you not see Game 1 of the Rockets/Blazers series? Yao gave the Blazers 24 points in 12 minutes on 9/9 shooting because they couldn't figure out how to guard him. That's dominance.

The only reason Yao hasn't killed the Blazers over and over again is because the team hasn't figured out that if you feed him low on the left block there's nothing the Blazers can do except double him before he gets the ball. But the disruption Yao has caused with the Blazers defense is because he is a dominant force. He's not a "yell in your face, dunk on your head" dominant force like Shaq, and he's not a "you can't stop me no matter if you make me catch the ball at halfcourt" kind of dominant like The Dream, but if the Rockets make a determination to feed Yao over and over again low on the left block, he would eat the Blazers -- and everyone else -- alive. And that's the only team in the West that has a reasonable chance of beating the Lakers, and only if they run it through Yao.

Dwight Howard is dominant, and 24 points and 24 rebounds says so, whether he's scoring with his back to the basket or not. Unfortunately, he doesn't have the moves that would make him unstoppable, but he's only a half-step away from taking the League over and shredding the opposition night after night. Except tomorrow night.

Aldridge doesn't know how good he is, and apparently neither does Nate McMillan, but if the guy learns how to pass out of the post half as well as guys like Chris Webber and Shaq could, he's going to be a force as well. Remember back in the early 2000s when the other Portland PF named Wallace would post the Lakers "bigs" up, over and over again, and shoot the turn-around jumper from either side of the rim over either shoulder? Now throw in superior athleticism and youth, and subtract the mental instability, and you have Aldridge. Once he develops a consistent jumphook, he's going to be a force also.

Amare Stoudemire is still in the League, and while he hasn't shown the desire to get down there and post up all game long, if he committed himself to being a post-up player and squelched his longing to be a shooting guard, he'd be on the list also.

I'm sorry, but the big man positions look better now than they did five years ago when it was only Duncan and Shaq.


Low post scoring to me is back to the basket scoring. Fine, take Yao, even though in the regular season he is not spectacular. If he wasn't 7'5", believe you me he would not be talked about. Your whole point is "if they feed Yao all the time" Do you not think there is a reason? Are you the only smart one and the whole coaching staff is idiots? Maybe he gets tired. Maybe there is a reason he can't sustain it for long periods of time. Maybe because he's ****ing huge and he can't be expected to labor up and down on every possesion and still be pushed around. If I was 10 feet tall I'd be MVP. You can't assume. You assume that Stoudamire would be "up there" if he develops a post game. He won't. Why? Because he's been in the leauge forever, and he's a *****. He is an athletic freak of nature that shoots jumpers. He's a finesse power forward. So is Aldridge. Hes, he has ability, but not back you down stuff it in your face ability. Will he? Maybe, but than again maybe I'll sprout wings. This is ridicilous. You can assume anything. You have two (really, 1 - Howard) dominant centers. How many great guards you have in the leauge?
 
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Low post scoring to me is back to the basket scoring. Fine, take Yao, even though in the regular season he is not spectacular. If he wasn't 7'5", believe you me he would not be talked about. Your whole point is "if they feed Yao all the time" Do you not think there is a reason? Are you the only smart one and the whole coaching staff is idiots? Maybe he gets tired. Maybe there is a reason he can't sustain it for long periods of time. Maybe because he's ****ing huge and he can't be expected to labor up and down on every possesion and still be pushed around. If I was 10 feet tall I'd be MVP. You can't assume. You assume that Stoudamire would be "up there" if he develops a post game. He won't. Why? Because he's been in the leauge forever, and he's a *****. He is an athletic freak of nature that shoots jumpers. He's a finesse power forward. So is Aldridge. Hes, he has ability, but not back you down stuff it in your face ability. Will he? Maybe, but than again maybe I'll sprout wings. This is ridicilous. You can assume anything. You have two (really, 1 - Howard) dominant centers. How many great guards you have in the leauge?

How many great guards have won championships without great big men? In the last 20 years, just one. Now, the NBA has evolved a lot in the last 20 years, but the point is that there have always been great guards in the game. There's not always great big men, and for the last 20 years, we're lucky if there's more than two in the league at the same time.

I disagree with your assessments above. Firstly, regarding Amare Stoudemire, my comment was not that he'd be a great post player if he "developed" a post game. He already has one, but he prefers to play like a guard. What I said was if he would commit to being a post player, he'd be a dominant big man instead of just another tall guy with athleticism. Whether he does that or not remains to be seen, but your personal opinion of him is obviously more important than whether or not the guy can score with his back to the basket.

Aldridge has the skill and the size to score on anyone with his back to the basket. I don't know whether he understands it, but I know that he can catch the ball in the mid to low post and use any of two or three moves in order to get a high percentage shot against anyone in the NBA. He's only in his third year, so maybe that's why he hasn't shown that dominance consistently, but I watched him post up against the Rockets on Tuesday night and saw flashbacks of Rasheed Wallace shooting that same turnaround jumper in 2000. If he doesn't shy away from the post game and turn into a perimeter player like Sheed did, then he'll be a dominant back to the basket scorer.

And back to Yao -- who's assuming anything? And who cares how tall he is? Chris Paul isn't a post player because he's only six feet tall. Shaq wouldn't have been in the NBA if he wasn't a seven footer because he doesn't have the skill set that he'd need to play another other position, and for years got by on his ability to bully anyone in the league into submission. Same thing with Patrick Ewing; he wasn't talented, he was big. Had a penchant for blocking shots since Georgetown, but he wasn't in the league because he was a good basketball player, he was in the league because he was bigger than anyone else. If "if" was a fifth, we'd all be drunk. Yao is 7'5", so there's no need for speculation.

I'm sure his big self does get tired, which is well-documented over the course of his career. He gets little nagging injuries that mount up by the end of the season and slow him down in the playoffs. That said (and I'm not trying to show anyone up, much less Rick Adelman), part of the reason that Yao doesn't get the ball in the post in scoring position, especially in these playoffs so far, is that the Rockets put him at the elbow, they try to run pick and roll, they put him in the high post, etc., and the Blazers front him, double team him, push him out towards the three point line, and when does catch the ball, he's not in prime scoring position.

What they did a couple of times last game is they put him low on the left block, where it's hard to front or double, and where he can turn over his left shoulder, away from the double team and shoot his patented, unblockable turnaround jumpshot, and that's exactly what he did. If the double comes before the pass, then you swing the ball around and get either a jumper or an open lane to drive, and now the defense is scrambling. You can't run this every time down, but you can run it for stretches at a time, once or twice per quarter, and get Yao his touches.
 
There's not always great big men, and for the last 20 years, we're lucky if there's more than two in the league at the same time.

While I agree with the gist of what you're saying, let's take a look at, say, 1993.

Charles Barkley
Hakeem Olajuwon
Shaquille O'Neal
David Robinson
Alonzo Mourning
Patrick Ewing
Karl Malone
Dennis Rodman

That's not a bad crop of HOF-level bigs, not at all. And Moses Malone had just retired at that point. For whatever reasons, things don't seem like that now, dominant bigs seem to have become rarer. But I see that as a development of the last decade. There used to be lots. :(
 
Paul doesn't strike me as a guy who will just request a trade despite a surprise? playoff exit and turmoil. Their team just really lacks bench depth in the worst way, and their starters (Peja, Chandler) are just sort of getting washed up at this stage, and Rasual Butler is just really a bench player masquerading as a starter. So this is pretty much a two-man team to the fullest (Paul and West)--so in order to improve their team, they really need to trade Chandler, Peja, Butler, Posey, or even Julian Wright. But I don't think Paul will request a trade
 
While I agree with the gist of what you're saying, let's take a look at, say, 1993.

Charles Barkley
Hakeem Olajuwon
Shaquille O'Neal
David Robinson
Alonzo Mourning
Patrick Ewing
Karl Malone
Dennis Rodman

That's not a bad crop of HOF-level bigs, not at all. And Moses Malone had just retired at that point. For whatever reasons, things don't seem like that now, dominant bigs seem to have become rarer. But I see that as a development of the last decade. There used to be lots. :(

When it comes to all time great big men, that's a good list. But that's it, and we're being generous with Rodman. Throw in Tim Duncan, Shawn Kemp, Chris Webber, and maybe a couple others that aren't coming to mind right now, and that's your whole list of big men worth mentioning. After that, there's a huge dropoff when you start talking about Divac, Sabonis, and so on.

And taking that quote without considering what I said earlier, you get the wrong impression. It's still a bit of an exaggeration, but I was talking about big men over the last five years and how it's only been Duncan and Shaq, and Shaq's fallen off. I guess you can throw Garnett on the list, too, depending on how you want to categorize his game and playing style.

I agree with Oprostaj that you're better off having a dominant big man if you're trying to win a championship. I disagree with his assertion that there are none in the NBA.
 
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