Checking the KF archives ... Kevin Martin

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Im not gonna lie.

After Kevin's first year I had "bust" written all over him...He looked like a deer in the headlights every time he got on the floor.

But oh boy, is it fun to see him prove me wrong out there night in and night out!
 
It is kinda funny looking back and seeing people talk about how he will be a bust, he has a wierd looking shot, so that means he can't shoot. Unless you are Jordan, you need time to develop. That is what has happened in this case. He needed time, that is what we gave him, and it is paying dividends.
 
This has to be may favorite thus far:

Kevin Martin is an unlikely candidate to ever even start in the NBA, much less be a star. I cannot believe this thread is happening. Kevin Martin has not demonstrated that he's better than Eddie House. Or Mo Evans. Or .. or .. anybody.

What did he do to impress everyone so much? A dunk here and there in garbage time?

I truly don't understand this thread. The only reason Kevin Martin made the squad at all is that the rules say you MUST keep your first round draft picks. That's it.

Kevin Martin has the potential to tell his buddies in the cubicle next to his that he used to be in the NBA.
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I think garcia is way better than kevin martin will ever be....with our shoting guard at wells,MO,and garcia.I think our shooting guard position would be set like that...To bad from the way everything is looking I dont think it will :-(
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If Garcia is, in fact, "way better than kevin martin will ever be," our future looks very bright, indeed. Mind you, this was before Garcia had even set foot on an NBA court.
 
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Kevin Martin was a rookie then and it was all speculation. These threads are/were no more or less ridiculous than those from the same time period suggesting he would be the next coming of Jordan.
 
This thread has the great potential to be obnoxious.

I would strongly urge that it doesn't turn out to be one group of people contorting themsleves mightily to pat themselves on the back while calling out others for 2 year old posts.
 
Bricklayer said:
This thread has the great potential to be obnoxious.

I would strongly urge that it doesn't turn out to be one group of people contorting themsleves mightily to pat themselves on the back while calling out others for 2 year old posts.
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I can see the merits of that point of view. I'm mostly posting in this thread right now because, IIRC, I went out of my way not to publically express an opinion about Martin when he was drafted, or even after his rookie season, and can therefore claim the moral high ground... :p

Besides, I'm not patting myself on the back so much as poking fun at all the hyperbole... And, of course, you know me, Brick: should things take a turn for the worse (god forbid), I'm the type of guy that'll also dig up old praise threads and poke fun at those, too.
 
I don't think I've ever expressed an opinion on Kevin here but I'd be the first to admit even through the early/middle part of last season I wasn't entirely sold on him and figured Garcia would be the better player and get most of his minutes. Then Bonzi went down and he took off and only keeps getting better. He's made a fan out of me.
 
As someone who didn't believe in Martin at the beginning - but welcome the arrival....

Let's be honest here. This is a chance for super-duper gigantic Kevin Martin fans to scream I told you so - ha-ha. Hmmm not too nice, but some urges become so strong that you just can't keep your hands off the keyboard I guess.

He's good. I know he's better than I ever imagined. Don't think anyone who loved him from the start really knew he was this good either.
 
I'll be the first to admit I was wrong about Martina and Garcia (I thought he'd be a lot better though it is still early to tell).
But then again, they were both playing under Adelman who is not really a genius when it comes to getting the maximum out of young players...
 
Many players are drafted with great promise. The difference is with Kevin, he has addressed his game to the point where IS all star caliber. How many thought he could or couldn't a few years ago really isn't relevant. It's realizing that we know first hand how rare it is that a player actually does improve to this level and enoying it completely.
 
Those threads are very interesting... many of us doubted him, which is pretty funny to me .... thankfully he proved us wrong. This kid has came a long, long way from 2005!:p :)
 
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The wierd thing is that for the most part I was looking at all the old threads about Kevin.(1 am EST and I couldn't sleep) last night

Going from WTF we drafted WHO? and he went to WHERE?

To yeah, that's Special K right there, not Kmart!

Now it's are we gonna be mad when he doesn't score 20+ points?

He's grown on me.
 
Bricklayer said:
This thread has the great potential to be obnoxious.

I would strongly urge that it doesn't turn out to be one group of people contorting themsleves mightily to pat themselves on the back while calling out others for 2 year old posts.
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Can't cover your but now Brickie! HAHA! ;)
 
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Can't cover your but now Brickie! HAHA! ;)
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Oh quite to the contrary -- I made it rather a point to always equivocate when not faced with obnoxious fanboyism, and somewhere in there you will even find me urging patience in the face of the worst of the waive Kevin fever after he bombed in yr 1. I am the anchor.

Besides which, I can take care of myself.

Others however are not so thick skinned that being obnoxiously called out would just bounce off. Hence my warning, which people have either thankfully heeded or recognized themselves. There is a reason I don't start one of these to bask in my glory every time I get it right. Right or not, it has all kinds of obnoxious finger pointing "I told you so" potential.
 
i was skeptical then...and i believe rightfully so. kevin had, at many points in his first year and the first half of his second year, not shown to be much more than a pile of raw potential. the potential was clear, but his head was in question. it was uncertain whether or not he'd be able to muster up the confidence to play up to his potential. and even if he did, it was uncertain what the results would be. i don't think any of us were expecting 25/5/2. if you were, good for you. if you weren't, that's perfectly okay.

for every kevin martin success story there's a dozen or so failures. a lot of these late first round guys simply never develop the mental fortitude to cut it in the nba. and everybody in between usually bounce around from team to team, providing spot minutes as role players. kevin martin is a rarity in that the game comes so friggin' easy to him that he can't help but exude confidence when he's on the court. he just needed the boost of bonzi wells going down with injury to find his confidence. had he not received that opportunity, i'm not sure how far along he'd be. he's come a long way, and a good sized chunk of that journey occured after the all star break last season.

needless to say, i think we're all thrilled with the way martin has played thus far, and we all look forward to his bright future. the word many nba pundits have been using to describe kevin martin this season is "surpise." i think that's an appropriate word, cuz it was a pleasant surprise to many of us.
 
and on this general theme of potential, garcia is in the same boat. like martin, its clear that there's a boatload of potential in the young man, though perhaps less in the way of natural scoring talent. garcia has a heady sense of timing on the defensive end that could prove very valuable someday. he reminds me a helluvalot more of doug christie than kevin martin does, to be honest. cisco is long, wiry, with a keen defensive awareness, and a streaky shot. he's got solid court vision, and can zip passes to teammates with surprising accuracy. problem is, for every wonderful play cisco provides, there's at least a couple of bonehead plays to accompany it. hence the use of the word "potential." martin was the same way. he'd show flashes of his potential, but had a tendency to force the action. so he'd be benched. garcia suffers from the same afflictions, but with time, hopefully he'll get there. it just takes patience, confidence, and opportunity. when he has the opportunity to log heavy minutes, he needs to make the best of it. and often i find that means having an impact on the defensive end, where he's shaping up to be an affective player.
 
I remember commenting to a bookie once how I'd "figured out" football betting. I proceeded to lose about 25 games in a row.

Bragging about K-Mart proclamations caused a little Karma interruption last night that took us back to Martin's days of doubt. Uh-oh.
 
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