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#31
He knew the risks before heading over to Europe. It's not as easy as it looks. Just because you're an American doesn't mean they have to play you where you'd like to play. Those teams want to win and they're the ones cutting the checks. They'll determine where and how much you play.

What he accomplished in high school is immaterial to me. He's not in HS anymore, and the NBA isn't HS, either. He's having a hard time adjusting to professional basketball in a league that's not on the same level as the NBA, so excuse me for being skeptical of him being a top NBA prospect at this stage in his career.

BTW, when a kid decides to "play for pay", he opens himself up for this kind of criticism. He's just not cutting [it] across the pond so far, and I'm sure he wishes he could be somewhere where he could have the ball in his hands more often.
But if we're going to fawn over Blake Griffen for averaging 24 and 14 or whatever he's at right now in college ball, you should also acknowledge that the competition he's playing against is nothing like what Jennings is facing in the Euroleage, not to mention moving to a different country where you don't speak the same language as most of the players on the team. His coach was basically forced to resign because the ownership was unhappy with how he was using his players. Clearly there's a lot more going on there than just a young hotshot American player being unable to assert himself. I haven't seen Jennings himself complain about playing time. There have been several articles written about him already (look in the draft thread to find links) and it seems like he's working hard and acting like a professional.

His on-court performance hasn't taken off yet, but how many high school players dropped into the NBA have excelled right away? Lebron and umm, that's about it. My point about his high school career is that 5 years ago he would have been taken in the lottery for sure on his high school credentials alone. Top high school player in the nation awards will do that for you. And he would probably ride the bench for two years, learn the system, and then take over a starting spot once he matured. That's the way this has gone in the past. He has the track record of an elite prospect and all the skills to play PG in the NBA. That he hasn't lit up the Euroleague this early into the season is no reason to write him off already. He's the first person ever to do what he's doing. Ever. It's far too soon to be calling it a success or a failure.

Your last statement makes it sound like you're angry with him already for choosing to turn pro instead of going to college. How do you know he wants the ball more? He's the one that made the decision to turn down a starting spot at Arizona. And considering he listed "playing with Jaryd Bayless" and "playing for Lute Olson" as his primary reasons for choosing Arizona in the first place, I don't think you can fault him for moving on after they both did. He didn't "open himself up for criticism" any more than other young players with real decisions to make about their careers do. Lebron, KG, Dwight Howard, and Kobe all chose to skip college and "play for pay" too. They're basketball players. This is their whole life. You don't have to cut him any slack if you don't want to, but I hope you're at least prepared to eat your words if it turns out your assessment was premature.
 
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#32
I think it's lame to criticize a player for opting to "play for pay." I think it's awful how the NCAA doesn't let them make any money off their abilities yet they have no problem making a ton of money off of them, then they complain when they leave after one year. It's so hypocritical.
 
#33
I think it's lame to criticize a player for opting to "play for pay." I think it's awful how the NCAA doesn't let them make any money off their abilities yet they have no problem making a ton of money off of them, then they complain when they leave after one year. It's so hypocritical.
I think college players should be eligible for a NCAA regulated stiped. I mean people on student government get stipends, so it doesn't make sense to deny basketball players some funds.

Keep in mind though, many of them are getting full ride scholarships. That is worth 40-120k over the course of 4 years. Now not all atheletes take advantage of the education college can offer and I don't blame them when they already have the career skills they need for their vocation and huge paychecks awaits them. I would have left school early if a business wanted to guarentee me 4 million dollars over 4 years.

However, I don't think it's fair to act as if they are used by the colleges either. They get a world class opportuity and free education from schools they can't all qualify for based on pure academics. Meanwhile, the schools put the funds they ears towards helping other students.

I agree that the schools should not be compaining either. Frankly the system works. The schools make money. The players get a great, free opportunity and can leave as soon as they have the career skills they need to get a big paycheck.
 
#34
But if we're going to fawn over Blake Griffen for averaging 24 and 14 or whatever he's at right now in college ball, you should also acknowledge that the competition he's playing against is nothing like what Jennings is facing in the Euroleage, not to mention moving to a different country where you don't speak the same language as most of the players on the team. His coach was basically forced to resign because the ownership was unhappy with how he was using his players. Clearly there's a lot more going on there than just a young hotshot American player being unable to assert himself. I haven't seen Jennings himself complain about playing time. There have been several articles written about him already (look in the draft thread to find links) and it seems like he's working hard and acting like a professional.

His on-court performance hasn't taken off yet, but how many high school players dropped into the NBA have excelled right away? Lebron and umm, that's about it. My point about his high school career is that 5 years ago he would have been taken in the lottery for sure on his high school credentials alone. Top high school player in the nation awards will do that for you. And he would probably ride the bench for two years, learn the system, and then take over a starting spot once he matured. That's the way this has gone in the past. He has the track record of an elite prospect and all the skills to play PG in the NBA. That he hasn't lit up the Euroleague this early into the season is no reason to write him off already. He's the first person ever to do what he's doing. Ever. It's far too soon to be calling it a success or a failure.

Your last statement makes it sound like you're angry with him already for choosing to turn pro instead of going to college. How do you know he wants the ball more? He's the one that made the decision to turn down a starting spot at Arizona. And considering he listed "playing with Jaryd Bayless" and "playing for Lute Olson" as his primary reasons for choosing Arizona in the first place, I don't think you can fault him for moving on after they both did. He didn't "open himself up for criticism" any more than other young players with real decisions to make about their careers do. Lebron, KG, Dwight Howard, and Kobe all chose to skip college and "play for pay" too. They're basketball players. This is their whole life. You don't have to cut him any slack if you don't want to, but I hope you're at least prepared to eat your words if it turns out your assessment was premature.
Fully agree. No one is arguing that Jennings is a victim, but if we are evaluating if he is a good long term prospect, just looking at Euroleague stats is a poor comparison. A lot of foreign players his age put up similarly unimpressive stats in these leagues in their home countries. He is adjusting to a new lifestyle and doing it professionally. Look how many Euroleague players stuggled in the US at the same age during their rookie seasons and them blossomed. I think the education Jennings is getting in the Euroleague is probably forcing him to mature a lot faster than if he was being fawned over in a US college and he's learning a good style of play against tough competition.
 
#35
For the ones that actually are going to use their education for something it's worth it, but the star prospects usually don't and only go to big schools for the basketball programs not the academics, so the worth of the scholarships don't really mean a whole lot to them. I think they should let them get advertising deals, doesn't cost the colleges anything.
 
#36
For the ones that actually are going to use their education for something it's worth it, but the star prospects usually don't and only go to big schools for the basketball programs not the academics, so the worth of the scholarships don't really mean a whole lot to them. I think they should let them get advertising deals, doesn't cost the colleges anything.

I see the merits, but I would be against them getting advertising deals. It would elevate them financially above their coaches and their peers. That creates enough problems at the pro level, but would not be healthy for college basketball or for their teammates, many of whom will never go pro.