Bulls' pick at No. 9 - Team could package pick for a big man

[Mike0476]

Chicago Tribune

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sport...ory?coll=chi-sportstop-hed&ctrack=1&cset=true

General manager John Paxson will weigh whether the Bulls' top need—a large, interior scorer—can be met with that first-round pick or whether he needs to scour the trade market aggressively to land an established NBA player.

"That will be an option I'll certainly explore," Paxson said.

Of course, it takes two teams to tango in the trade market, so that option could be easier said than done.

Still, it's a safe bet Paxson will inquire on longtime Bulls favorite Nick Collison's availability now that the Sonics jumped to No. 2 and will land either Greg Oden or Kevin Durant.

Packaging the No. 9 pick with players whose contracts expire after the 2007-08 season, such as Chris Duhon and Viktor Khryapa or both, could be attractive to teams looking to trim payroll.

Yea or nay?

What should the Bulls do with the No. 9 pick in the NBA Draft?

34.9%
Use it (547 responses)

65.1%
Trade it (1019 responses)

1566 total responses
(Poll results not scientific)

 

[Mike0476]

If what is being reported is true, Collison is due to make $5,750,000, $6,250,000, $6,250,000 and $6,750,000 over the next four seasons.

On the other hand, Abdur-Rahim is due $5,800,000, $6,200,000 and $6,600,000 over the next three seasons.

Chris Duhon is an expiring deal of $3,248,000.

Viktor Khryapa is an expiring deal of $1,928,598.

I wouldn't mind seeing the Kings trading Abdur-Rahim to the Bulls for their 9th overall pick along with Duhon and/or Khyapa.

Contract information was taken from SI.com

Thoughts? Comments?

 

[Arkitect]

I don't see the bulls going for SAR. He is old, has never won anything, and has 3 years on his contract. If I was going to trade my two expirings and a draft pick, I would hopefully be able to do better than SAR for a low post scorer.

 

[BMiller52]

If what is being reported is true, Collison is due to make $5,750,000, $6,250,000, $6,250,000 and $6,750,000 over the next four seasons.

On the other hand, Abdur-Rahim is due $5,800,000, $6,200,000 and $6,600,000 over the next three seasons.

Chris Duhon is an expiring deal of $3,248,000.

Viktor Khryapa is an expiring deal of $1,928,598.

I wouldn't mind seeing the Kings trading Abdur-Rahim to the Bulls for their 9th overall pick along with Duhon and/or Khyapa.

Contract information was taken from SI.com

Thoughts? Comments?

Chicago would flip us off if we offered that. We might be able to use Reef to move up to 9 though.

 

[Mike0476]

Chicago would flip us off if we offered that. We might be able to use Reef to move up to 9 though.

OK, so you're saying the Bulls wouldn't take the proposed deal of Abdur-Rahim for the 9th pick and an expiring deal yet we could use Abdur-Rahim to move to 9th? I'm confused.

 

[Bricklayer]

Chicago would flip us off if we offered that. We might be able to use Reef to move up to 9 though.

I would have thought so too until, well at least this article suggested a deal of that sort for Nick Collison of all people. If they are thinking along those lines at all, make the call Geoff and get them talking.

 

[BMiller52]

OK, so you're saying the Bulls wouldn't take the proposed deal of Abdur-Rahim for the 9th pick and an expiring deal yet we could use Abdur-Rahim to move to 9th? I'm confused.

I was thinking maybe a Reef+10 for Duhon+9 deal. We move up a spot and get an expiring contract(not to mention he's a young PG), they get their post presence.

 

[Mike0476]

I was thinking maybe a Reef+10 for Duhon+9 deal. We move up a spot and get an expiring contract(not to mention he's a young PG), they get their post presence.

OK, now that makes sense.

However, like Brick said, with what the Tribune is suggesting I hope that Petrie gives the Bulls a call.

 

[BMiller52]

OK, now that makes sense.

However, like Brick said, with what the Tribune is suggesting I hope that Petrie gives the Bulls a call.

I would too but it's not like Paxson rights for their newspaper

 

[grego]

Just more that the Bulls can offer for KG.

 

[DaMan]

I think they could go after Zach R., I think that the Sar deal has sailed away. He is getting old and would not match what the team is doing, i think a deal could have been last year but its to late now.

 

[Bricklayer]

I think they could go after Zach R., I think that the Sar deal has sailed away. He is getting old and would not match what the team is doing, i think a deal could have been last year but its to late now.

Zach suddenly becomeing available could be a definite consideration in Chciago. More of the impact scorer they are looking for than a guy like Reef. Much closer to the Gasol class. Their pick, maybe a signed and traded Nocioni and one or two enders...could be enough. The future would belong to Portland with the #1 and #9 (potentially the Oden and Conley combo Oden was lobbying for) and Nocioni, Aldridge, Roy etc. etc., and the East could belong to Chicago, who would suddenly become offensively potent. Question would be could Randolph deal with an ultra controlling ******* like Skiles? Chemistry issues might be the only one scaring that one away from happening.

 

[ParniValjak]

I don't think Skiles would be keen on a trouble maker like Zach. There would be instant chemistry problems. They would rub each other the wrong way.

 

[nbrans]

I don't think Skiles would be keen on a trouble maker like Zach. There would be instant chemistry problems. They would rub each other the wrong way.

I agree -- they gave away JR Smith to Denver because they didn't think he and Skiles would mesh. I don't see Skiles and Randolph working. I think the Bulls are crazy to coddle a coach that can't reach a good portion of the league, but they like their system.

 

[Ryle]

I think Reef would work well next to Ben. Shareef will be 31 this year and still has a reasonable contract and is a better low post scorer than he showed last year(possibly due to Muss' "system"). Collison is more of a garbage scorer like Wallace and I don't think having 2 of the same type of player on the front line helps Chicago at all.

 

[kyo2002]

SAR for #9 sounds okay. He's a veteran who is used to being a bench player now. Z-Bo is a case with worse D than SAR hard as that sounds. I'm a little shocked many Blazer fans hate him. Quite possible that Petrie and Paxson were talking right after the lottery unless I miss something axiomatic.

 

[Arena Skeptic]

Trade for SAR??

I just don't think SAR has any trade value. It's all about the contract.

Yes, he can play. He'd contribute 12-15 minutes in, say, San Antonio. But the contract is just too huge. You can get roughly the same player for about 2/3 what the Kings owe SAR.

If I were the Bulls, I would not accept SAR as a "consolation prize" for moving down one spot in the playoffs. The number 10 + SAR does not get you to 9, even if it's 9 plus a player. Including SAR with the number 10 almost gets you backwards. "Tell you what, Nellie, we'll give you our 10th pick plus SAR for your number 15. Deal?" I'd turn it down.

Unfortunately, we're about to find out that many of the Kings veterans are in the same boat. The players Petrie would love to get rid of are all aging, on-the-downside veterans with relatively large contracts. Unless a team can get, say, Brad Miller for a song, they won't do it. And why would the Kings give Miller away? I think about the only thing Petrie can do here is wait for deals to expire. It'll be a testimony to his genius if he can get any teams to take the contracts of Bibby, Miller, SAR, KT and Artest.

By the way, I think Portland has now leapfrogged its way into the playoffs. What an extraordinary outcome for them. I'm not a Portland fan, but what if, by some chance, they win the Billups sweepstakes? That's a scary thought.

Portland is now just a PG away from being serious contenders. They got over pretty hard on the Roy trade, and they're young. A lot depends on Randolph losing weight and getting a better attitude, but he almost seems expendible now. If the right trade came along, they'd take it.

I think Portland will contend for the title within 3 years. They just had a LeBron/Ming/Magic/Bird-moment. Yes, it's that big.

 

[Heuge]

I just don't think SAR has any trade value. It's all about the contract.

Yes, he can play. He'd contribute 12-15 minutes in, say, San Antonio. But the contract is just too huge. You can get roughly the same player for about 2/3 what the Kings owe SAR.

If I were the Bulls, I would not accept SAR as a "consolation prize" for moving down one spot in the playoffs. The number 10 + SAR does not get you to 9, even if it's 9 plus a player. Including SAR with the number 10 almost gets you backwards. "Tell you what, Nellie, we'll give you our 10th pick plus SAR for your number 15. Deal?" I'd turn it down.

Unfortunately, we're about to find out that many of the Kings veterans are in the same boat. The players Petrie would love to get rid of are all aging, on-the-downside veterans with relatively large contracts. Unless a team can get, say, Brad Miller for a song, they won't do it. And why would the Kings give Miller away? I think about the only thing Petrie can do here is wait for deals to expire. It'll be a testimony to his genius if he can get any teams to take the contracts of Bibby, Miller, SAR, KT and Artest.

By the way, I think Portland has now leapfrogged its way into the playoffs. What an extraordinary outcome for them. I'm not a Portland fan, but what if, by some chance, they win the Billups sweepstakes? That's a scary thought.

Portland is now just a PG away from being serious contenders. They got over pretty hard on the Roy trade, and they're young. A lot depends on Randolph losing weight and getting a better attitude, but he almost seems expendible now. If the right trade came along, they'd take it.

I think Portland will contend for the title within 3 years. They just had a LeBron/Ming/Magic/Bird-moment. Yes, it's that big.

Bibby would be an amazing fit over there.

Maybe something like a Pryzb and Webster for Bibby. Doesnt quite work out salary wise, but Im sure someone smart can do some tweaking.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

If I were the Bulls, I would not accept SAR as a "consolation prize" for moving down one spot in the playoffs. The number 10 + SAR does not get you to 9, even if it's 9 plus a player. Including SAR with the number 10 almost gets you backwards. "Tell you what, Nellie, we'll give you our 10th pick plus SAR for your number 15. Deal?" I'd turn it down.

Wow. Down on Shareef much? The biggest problem with Shareef isn't his contract. In fact, the biggest problem with Shareef isn't even Shareef. The biggest problem with Shareef is that the last remaining "movable piece" from the Webber deal is making more money, is a bad player to start with, and whines and cries and plays terribly when he comes off of the bench. And we sure can't trade KT, so we have to start him and have 'Reef come off the bench.

Is Shareef an All-Star caliber PF at this point? No. But he'd easily be worth his contract to any team that could actually play him. Imagine him in, say, Houston, where there's big money tied up in the 2 and the 5 and nothing to speak of at the 4. How much would they love to have a talent like Shareef at about $6M per?

 

[Arena Skeptic]

Wow. Down on Shareef much? The biggest problem with Shareef isn't his contract. In fact, the biggest problem with Shareef isn't even Shareef. The biggest problem with Shareef is that the last remaining "movable piece" from the Webber deal is making more money, is a bad player to start with, and whines and cries and plays terribly when he comes off of the bench. And we sure can't trade KT, so we have to start him and have 'Reef come off the bench.

Is Shareef an All-Star caliber PF at this point? No. But he'd easily be worth his contract to any team that could actually play him. Imagine him in, say, Houston, where there's big money tied up in the 2 and the 5 and nothing to speak of at the 4. How much would they love to have a talent like Shareef at about $6M per?

Yup, I actually think so. Trading for him would be almost as bad a trading for Sam Bowie (with a broken leg).

If I were the Bulls, I'd walk away from any proposal to move down one spot, "But you'd get SAR in the deal!". That would be one of the shortest conversations in history.

I'd rather sign Matt Barnes for 3 years and $14 million or so.

 

[BMiller52]

lol @ SAR Having an awful contract. I'm not even a SAR fan but he's owed 15 million for 3 years. It's not a long contract, it's MLE money. In Chicago with more touches in the paint he'd average 14 PPG/6 RPG for them easily, maybe more. That's worth the MLE.

 

[kyo2002]

lol, from the way the season has gone and everyone putting down players sounds like trading the whole team can't even get you a bag of hot cheetos.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

If I were the Bulls, I'd walk away from any proposal to move down one spot, "But you'd get SAR in the deal!". That would be one of the shortest conversations in history.

Obviously we disagree on Shareef's value. For my money, I don't see why the Kings would even consider trading away 'Reef to move up one whole pick in the draft unless Petrie's golden child draft pick was there at 9 and he was absolutely sure the Bulls would take him out from under us otherwise.

I'd rather sign Matt Barnes for 3 years and $14 million or so.

To play power forward? In the NBA? You've got to be kidding.

 

[SacTownKid]

I would have thought so too until, well at least this article suggested a deal of that sort for Nick Collison of all people. If they are thinking along those lines at all, make the call Geoff and get them talking.

Yeah really. If that's true then they should take Reef for that 9 over Collison. Reef is exactly what they need.

And Reef is old??? Didn't he just turn 31!?

 

[Bricklayer]

Wow. Down on Shareef much? The biggest problem with Shareef isn't his contract. In fact, the biggest problem with Shareef isn't even Shareef. The biggest problem with Shareef is that the last remaining "movable piece" from the Webber deal is making more money, is a bad player to start with, and whines and cries and plays terribly when he comes off of the bench. And we sure can't trade KT, so we have to start him and have 'Reef come off the bench.

Is Shareef an All-Star caliber PF at this point? No. But he'd easily be worth his contract to any team that could actually play him. Imagine him in, say, Houston, where there's big money tied up in the 2 and the 5 and nothing to speak of at the 4. How much would they love to have a talent like Shareef at about $6M per?

Shareef would be about as worhtless in Houston as he is here -- they already have a far better post player in that largish Asian guy, and what they need form their PF is a guy who will rebound (nope), play physical defense/guard Yao's back (nope) and who will not interfere with the big guy's post play on offense (nope).

When you get down to it, faded one dimensional post players really aren't that valuable pretty much anywhere. If you don't combine it with rebounding, or defense, or SOMETHING then the overall utility is marginal at best. A 20+ ppg one dimensional scorer you can maybe accept...and go right to the lottery with. But by the time the guy is down to 12-15ppg, then the one dimensional need the ball to contribute nature of his game is almost more trouble than its worth.

Best shot for Reef is somebody wanting him as a Budha Edwards/Bill Caretwright (with the Bulls) old roleplayer/spot starter. Could be Chicago as they have a need. But its not a ful time position. Its a spot start type role. Come in, score a few hoops in the post, go to bench, repeat in the second half. 20-25 min a night just to keep the opponents honest.

 

[BRad1055]

Shareef didnt come to Sac in the Webber deal, he was signed as a free agent for five years and the MLE.

 

[BRad1055]

My bad I read that wrong. Disregard the last post.

 

[DaMan]

Zach suddenly becomeing available could be a definite consideration in Chciago. More of the impact scorer they are looking for than a guy like Reef. Much closer to the Gasol class. Their pick, maybe a signed and traded Nocioni and one or two enders...could be enough. The future would belong to Portland with the #1 and #9 (potentially the Oden and Conley combo Oden was lobbying for) and Nocioni, Aldridge, Roy etc. etc., and the East could belong to Chicago, who would suddenly become offensively potent. Question would be could Randolph deal with an ultra controlling ******* like Skiles? Chemistry issues might be the only one scaring that one away from happening.

I totally agree and i really think the Randolph and Skiles could work. The diffence between Randolph and Smith was that most of Randolph problems have been off the court issues while Smith have been with the coach directly.