Bring in the Spaniards

[swisshh]

Yeah so Spain just won the FIBA gold, but thats not entirely why I'm pro-Spanish players right now. I'm mostly pro Serio Rodriguez and pro Rudy Fernandez. Sergio was drafted by the Suns and traded to Portland. He's the Spanish Chocolate guy, but having watched him play these past two games, I think I can say he's a lot more than just a flashy gimmick.

Rudy Fernandez, though having a limited showing in the two games I saw, showed a lot of speed and reminds me of a Pippen/Hedo sort of player.

Here's a video reel of Rudy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXAucLSrYv8

What I really like in that video are his spin moves and the alley oop he pump fakes on and then does a reverse layup. Instead of forcing the dunk when he was too close, he fakes it, gets space and makes a smooth reverse. He also seems to have some range with his outside shot. He'll likely be a lottery pick in next year's draft and since the Kings love them some swingmen, I'd like to see him end up here.

 

[Dime Dropper]

Yeah I agree, I wanted us to take Sergio this year as we needed a backup PG, and everyone like Jason Williams style when he was here. Sergio is the same minus the horribl shots! He's so exciting to watch, heres a video of him, he does all this in one game : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPuDjcOVyYs

I think Portland got one of the big steals in this draft. Rudy is also looking like he will be a star/at least role player in the L. Has very good athleticism and a good stroke from outside, as well as being very quick and a good ballhandler. Kind of like Ginobili.

Would have loved to see what Spain would have done to USA! Maybe Americans might start to realise that they may have the biggest League in the world, doesn't mean they have the best teams.

 

[SacKings4Life21]

Pippen/hido hahahahahahaha funny comparison

 

[Troy]

Why the heck didn't we draft Sergio????? The guy is awesome, he really reminds of Jason Williams when he was here in Sacto. I love his style of basketball, with his no look passes, unbelievable ball handling skills, unselfishness, toughness, etc. I'm so mad right now we didn't get him. He sure would be fun coming off the bench for Bibby and in a few years starting when shed Bibby inflated contract. He would have been our PG of the future. I'm definately getting NBA pass so I can watch this guy.

While Douby is a great shooter, he is an undersized SG who we are trying to turn into a PG, when we so desperately need a backup PG to give Bibby a rest. I don't understand it. I know we need to spread the floor with some more shooters because we have Artest and SAR that are post up guys, but why pass on a guy like Sergio that has unreal ball handling skills and is amazingly fun to watch. You feel like your at a Harlem Globetrotters game watching this kid. I'm a believer after watching this video.

 

[Kings113]

I wouldn't of been that pleased if we drafted Ser-Rod. Sure he's a great passer and flashy, but he does get wild sometimes with his play-making, doesn't play defense (which Douby does) and isn't laterally quick, and isn't a good shooter. There is/was the possibility of Ser-Rod staying overseas for a period of time before coming into the NBA, also. While both Douby/Ser-Rod are similar in size (height and weight), Douby is longer and quicker, which will help make up for his slight frame. Also, I believe Petrie traded away J-Will to get a more controlled point guard in Bibby. With Ser-Rod being similar to J-Will, I think that is another factor in not drafting him.

From what I've gathered on both, I like Douby overall much more than Sergio. Douby will develop his PG skills, and if you've been following along, as he has been this summer. Also, Douby likely isn't going to be heavily counted on in his rookie year at PG, Salmons/Bibby/Ron/Garcia with some from Price/Douby. Like with most rookies, their role will increase later on as they improve and get experience.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

based on the all dunk highlight reel. i'm far from impressed with rudy fernandez. i thought there was gonna be some film from the olympic games. how can you judge a player based on all dunks video clip?

 

[LPKingsFan]

Two words: Sarunas Jasikevicius

 

[Kings113]

Two words: Sarunas Jasikevicius

Not for shooting though .

 

[Dime Dropper]

Two words: Sarunas Jasikevicius

Two words for you: Completely stupid.

You obviously know nothing about him. Don't talk about players you know nothing about. Don't label Europeans as the same, you have no idea how ridiculous you sound.

 

[Merdiesel]

"Would have loved to see what Spain would have done to USA! Maybe Americans might start to realise that they may have the biggest League in the world, doesn't mean they have the best teams."


Every team in the FIBA tournament besides USA have been playing together for years, and have been playing by those lame a** euro rules their entire careers... Put a complete NBA team coaches and all like Detroit or Miami in the FIBA games and we'll see how much everyone is talking about USA ball.


and onto Sergio and Rudy...
I am perfectly satisfied with our pick of Quincy Douby.

Sergio can ball but like i said Ill go with Douby...

And from the highlight reel, I don't see anything special with Rudy Fernandez... all it is a back door cut about 45 times, that sh** would get shut down real quick in the NBA.

 

[AriesMar27]

it would be cool to get garbajosa... he would be nice to some how get from the raptors...

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Two words for you: Completely stupid.

You obviously know nothing about him. Don't talk about players you know nothing about. Don't label Europeans as the same, you have no idea how ridiculous you sound.

Check yourself; this post is close to the edge of flaming, which is not allowed on this site.

 

[Dime Dropper]

Check yourself; this post is close to the edge of flaming, which is not allowed on this site.

No. I will not "check myself". If my post was flaming, then so was the post "two words: Sarunas Jasikevicius."

Every team in the FIBA tournament besides USA have been playing together for years, and have been playing by those lame a** euro rules their entire careers... Put a complete NBA team coaches and all like Detroit or Miami in the FIBA games and we'll see how much everyone is talking about USA ball.


and onto Sergio and Rudy...
I am perfectly satisfied with our pick of Quincy Douby.

Sergio can ball but like i said Ill go with Douby...

And from the highlight reel, I don't see anything special with Rudy Fernandez... all it is a back door cut about 45 times, that sh** would get shut down real quick in the NBA.

So, does that mean anything? Obviously you'd be better when playing together for a few years, but you still seem to be sending teams based on individual talent. Your problem, not ours. There are no "what ifs".

Again, you're judging Rudy on one highlight reel. You haven't seen him play at all. If you had, you would know he does alot more. It sickens me that people on here just make random posts about a player they have never seen play.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

No. I will not "check myself".

Suit yourself; you do what you have to do, and I'll do what I have to do.

... If my post was flaming, then so was the post "two words: Sarunas Jasikevicius."

No, it really wasn't. "Two words: Sarunas Jasikevicius" is not a flame; it's not an attack on a poster, which is what a flame is. It can't even really be considered bashing a player. Your post, however, borders on attacking a poster, and that's the difference.

If you think his opinion is invalid, then attack the opinion; attacking the poster is not tolerated here.

 

[Jerryaki]

^ the poster who said sarunas could've meant that either way, i thought.

like, europeans are known for their shooting, but sarunas hasn't been that great, or that while europeans are pretty good overseas, their games may not translate into the NBA.

 

[Jerryaki]

Again, you're judging Rudy on one highlight reel. You haven't seen him play at all. If you had, you would know he does alot more. It sickens me that people on here just make random posts about a player they have never seen play.

doesn't it make sense though that the players we would know about most on here are kings players?

granted, there is the whole "don't judge a player before you see them" but what will that lead to on this board? probably more hand wringing that "we should've gotten this guy or that guy in the draft", and then there will come the posters who go "man, give douby a chance! you haven't seen him play yet!" it's all very damned if you do, damned if you don't, really.

 

[Merdiesel]

Again, you're judging Rudy on one highlight reel. You haven't seen him play at all. If you had, you would know he does alot more. It sickens me that people on here just make random posts about a player they have never seen play.

::grabs a tissue box::

How serious are you??? If you can't take a debate, why are you on here???

 

[Dime Dropper]

::grabs a tissue box::

How serious are you??? If you can't take a debate, why are you on here???

Flaming ^. Also, theres a difference between having a debate about something intelligible, and saying something stupid with no truth to it. I have gold arms, metal feet and I'm the greatest player to ever play basketball. Is that a debate?

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Flaming ^.

It's borderline, I'll grant you that; still not as close to the line as your post, though.

Also, theres a difference between having a debate about something intelligible, and saying something stupid with no truth to it.

Like I said before, if you think an opinion is invalid, then attack the opinion; if you can't form a good counter argument, maybe it's because the OP isn't as "stupid" as you think it is. And if you can't be bothered to explain why you think an opinion is stupid, then don't sidetrack a discussion with hit-and-run posting.

 

[Merdiesel]

Flaming ^. Also, theres a difference between having a debate about something intelligible, and saying something stupid with no truth to it. I have gold arms, metal feet and I'm the greatest player to ever play basketball. Is that a debate?

Huh?! lol

Why is what im saying have no truth to it... because you disagree??? lol

also, It's my opinion, i never claimed it was fact.


I come on here to talk Kings basketball, not talk about your "golden arms and metal Feet"... im done with this.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Apparently, dime dropper feels that your opinions of Rodriguez and Fernandez hold the same about the same degree of validity as him saying that he has golden arms and metal feet.

Take that however you want to.

 

[baiarri]

First of all peace: peace.
seventeen words: "Sarunas is not the shooter, but his career means he is not a bad shooter at all"

Check his %s. I have seen him playing everywhere, but NBA. For sure, he could be a top-5/10 FT shooter.

http://www.euroleague.net/plantillas/jugador.jsp?id=ADG

On the other hand, I wonder what was wrong last season, and why his play was a success. He was considered as the best not-NBA playmaker. I dont how he is considered at the moment.

Finally,, Apart from his shooting abilities,, can Douby manage to make a team play?

 

[Dime Dropper]

Huh?! lol

Why is what im saying have no truth to it... because you disagree??? lol

also, It's my opinion, i never claimed it was fact.


I come on here to talk Kings basketball, not talk about your "golden arms and metal Feet"... im done with this.

No not because I disagree, because it's simply not true. If I said, for example, all Mike Bibby can do is play defense and that he has no offense, what would you say? Would you agree, or would you think that I have obviously never seen him play in my life? It's that simple. I don't want to start a war here or anything, but don't form an opinion based on nothing. You've never seen him play, if you have please state where. Just because you say "im done with this." doesn't make you anymore right. It just means that you know you were wrong and you know you have no way of coming back from my side of the "debate", as you put it.

 

[Jerryaki]

^ merdisel had said "based on this highlight reel i don't see anything special." how is that, in any way, shape, or form, incorrect?

there have been plenty of players who were "special" outside of the nba and then fell flat once they got here. you may believe the guys you are championing might succeed, but they just as well may not, right?

 

[Merdiesel]

my orriginal post...

and onto Sergio and Rudy...
I am perfectly satisfied with our pick of Quincy Douby.

Sergio can ball but like i said Ill go with Douby...

And from the highlight reel, I don't see anything special with Rudy Fernandez... all it is a back door cut about 45 times, that sh** would get shut down real quick in the NBA.

To be more specific, I think the reason why people are falling in love with Sergio Rodriguez is because he shows a glypse of early Jason Williams at times. Not just the good J Will, also the bad... He gets careless with the ball, has to definitely work on his outside shot, and his defense needs work...
and Rudy... For his style of game, he is not strong enough for the NBA right now IMO.

Now onto Douby, he definitely needs to get stronger but for what he lacks in strength he makes up with a deadly outside shot, and we've seen it with him being one of the top scorers in the NCAA last year. Petrie wants someone who can shoot when Bibby goes to the bench.

 

[HndsmCelt]

Ok this is the pifall that most discussions about international players falls into. Patriots love their teams and thier players, they watch them and know their strenths. Americans who have not seen nealry as much of these European guys but have watched an NBA chock full of tallented young men where international players sometimes make it and sometems go bust remain skeptical.

The problem comes in BOTH the way this skepticisim is voiced (harsh) and the way it is percived (too harsh). In the words of Micheal Faranti "Please tell me the reason for the collors that you fly, love just one people and the whole world you divide."

This is where I would like to caution the American's on the board to be judicious in how you go about criticizing international players. I am NOT saying don't criticize them, just choose your words carefully as our brothers and sisters arround the world do NOT use the English language the same way we do and have different coustoms, takes on what is insulting, rude, funny or acceptable in society. In short try to avoid confusion and insult.

From what little I saw of Sergio and from what I heard, the guy can pass, and his B-Ball IQ/fundementals are great. He should be a nice prospect for an NBA team or an instant hit in the Euro leage. No doubt the Euro game IS different than the NBA. Does he have enough experience and variety of moves to play in the NBA? who knows can he develop the necessary game to be top PG in the NBA? who knows.

 

[Kings113]

my orriginal post...





To be more specific, I think the reason why people are falling in love with Sergio Rodriguez is because he shows a glypse of early Jason Williams at times. Not just the good J Will, also the bad... He gets careless with the ball, has to definitely work on his outside shot, and his defense needs work...
and Rudy... For his style of game, he is not strong enough for the NBA right now IMO.

Now onto Douby, he definitely needs to get stronger but for what he lacks in strength he makes up with a deadly outside shot, and we've seen it with him being one of the top scorers in the NCAA last year. Petrie wants someone who can shoot when Bibby goes to the bench.

Yup. He's also not a bad athlete, can slash, and has a 6'9" wing-span.

 

[AriesMar27]

if petrie just wanted a shooter coming in after bibby he could have just kept eddie house.....

sergio would have been nice though.... we'd still have hart and price anyways...

 

[swisshh]

my orriginal post...





To be more specific, I think the reason why people are falling in love with Sergio Rodriguez is because he shows a glypse of early Jason Williams at times. Not just the good J Will, also the bad... He gets careless with the ball, has to definitely work on his outside shot, and his defense needs work...
and Rudy... For his style of game, he is not strong enough for the NBA right now IMO.

Now onto Douby, he definitely needs to get stronger but for what he lacks in strength he makes up with a deadly outside shot, and we've seen it with him being one of the top scorers in the NCAA last year. Petrie wants someone who can shoot when Bibby goes to the bench.

Okay the problem in this thread is people offering opinions when they didn't watch the FIBA WC. Any highliight reel of a non-small guard is going to be a lot of dunks. What I tried to point out for Rudy was his spin moves, speed and ability fo finish.

Also, those that saw the Spanish games, saw that Sergio can shoot and was actually killing Argentina from outside and was under control for most of the game. He got in late versus Greece when it was already a blowout and tried to get fancy. The thing is, you watch and analyze and realize Sergio just isn't parlor tricks. He attacks the basket like Nash-something JWill never was apt to-and was running a NBA pick n roll on a european team. It's one thing if you're throwing dimes on And 1, but you have to have some smarts to run in the Euros.

You got to look past the highlight reels and see the skills. For example, this very short clip is from the Spanish Argentina game:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Z23LbLXJRYo

Now at first glance, it's just a fast dunk break. But you look at it and realize Rudy was behind most of those players when Spain got the ball. He beat the entire team down the floor free throw line to free throw line. Now you look at Sergio's pass and it's effortless and right on the money. He leads Rudy so well that he doesn't even break stride going at full speed. So it's not just dunks and jive. I see NBA talent in the players.

 

[Merdiesel]

Okay the problem in this thread is people offering opinions when they didn't watch the FIBA WC. Any highliight reel of a non-small guard is going to be a lot of dunks. What I tried to point out for Rudy was his spin moves, speed and ability fo finish.

Also, those that saw the Spanish games, saw that Sergio can shoot and was actually killing Argentina from outside and was under control for most of the game. He got in late versus Greece when it was already a blowout and tried to get fancy. The thing is, you watch and analyze and realize Sergio just isn't parlor tricks. He attacks the basket like Nash-something JWill never was apt to-and was running a NBA pick n roll on a european team. It's one thing if you're throwing dimes on And 1, but you have to have some smarts to run in the Euros.

You got to look past the highlight reels and see the skills. For example, this very short clip is from the Spanish Argentina game:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Z23LbLXJRYo

Now at first glance, it's just a fast dunk break. But you look at it and realize Rudy was behind most of those players when Spain got the ball. He beat the entire team down the floor free throw line to free throw line. Now you look at Sergio's pass and it's effortless and right on the money. He leads Rudy so well that he doesn't even break stride going at full speed. So it's not just dunks and jive. I see NBA talent in the players.

No the problem is that you assume that people didn't watch the FIBA games, and know nothing about these two players...


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