Breton: "Sellout" is in the eye of the beholder

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Marcos Bretón: 'Sellout' is in the eye of the beholder
By Marcos Bretón - Bee Columnist
Published 12:00 am PST Sunday, December 10, 2006
Story appeared in SPORTS section, Page C1

Could the Kings' NBA-leading streak of 323 consecutive sellouts at Arco Arena be in jeopardy tonight against the woeful Atlanta Hawks?

Even when the Kings were fun to watch with Vlade, Bobby and C-Webb, the faceless Hawks were one of the softest tickets at Arco.

Now with the Kings sinking to last place in the Pacific Division amid a five-game losing streak, the signs are there for the sellout streak to end.

A Sunday night game, a cold night, the Christmas season, a ton of games ahead, a dud opponent and one of the longest Kings losing streaks in nearly a decade.

Then again, it wouldn't be a surprise if tonight's game was called a sellout because the definition of sellout seems to be very loose at Arco Arena these days.

Anyone attending Kings games lately has noticed the many empty seats in the lower and upper levels of Sactown's old barn.

Yet the sellout streak has marched onward in defiance of simple mathematics.

"I would say (ticket sales) have dwindled to less and less," said Lakota Verberne, sales manager for All Events Tickets, a Roseville-based ticket broker.

On the Kings' Web site, less than three hours before Thursday's tipoff against the defending NBA champion Miami Heat, there were multiple tickets available at every price level in the lower bowl of Arco Arena.

Among them were four seats behind the Kings' bench in the third aisle of Kings Row -- section 104. At face value, they cost $360 each -- and with service fees included -- could be had for $1,512.

I watched them sit empty all game and, at the start of the fourth quarter, I asked a woman sitting behind the seats if anyone had used them.

No.

At halftime, I also checked at the Kings' box office inside the arena to see if there were still tickets available.

The gentleman behind the glass scanned his computer and said there were "very few" but that there were single seats still available.

The question is: How do single seats available at halftime -- combined with empty seats in Kings Row and throughout the arena -- translate into a sellout?

Mark Broussard, director of basketball operations for the NBA, said the league determines sellouts based on the announced crowds and the number of complimentary tickets the teams hand out that get used.

Teams are on an honor system -- the league takes the team's word for it on announced sellouts. But Broussard said the NBA does verify gate receipts and all basketball-related income to make sure they add up.

It's not life and death, but the announced sellouts do make you roll your eyes.

Clearly, it looks good for the Kings to have a sellout streak of more than 300 games, though they are far shy of the all-time record identified by Broussard at 814 -- set by the Portland Trail Blazers between April 1977 and November 1995.

As it is, the Kings' current streak is even far shy of the team record of 497 -- set in Sacramento between 1985 and 1997, Broussard said.

Regarding the Miami game, the Kings would only release a brief statement blaming empty seats on "no shows" that all teams must deal with.

Questions on specifics went unanswered.

Truthfully, it's a touchy issue for all teams, and the Kings are hardly the only franchise to announce sellouts when there are plenty of unoccupied seats.

There is no darker meaning here; there are no suggestions of sellout fraud. It's just that the Kings are facing softening ticket sales during a tough economy as the the team struggles.

"They're boring," said Bill Knoblauch, a 61-year-old Kings season-ticket holder since 1985. Sitting in the last row of Section 210 with his stepson -- in seats that cost $10 each and were surrounded by empty seats Thursday -- Knoblauch rejected any suggestions that the recent failed arena campaign or ill feelings about the Kings' owners were turning fans away from Arco Arena.

"It's not the arena, it's the way the team is playing right now," said Knoblauch, a retired farm appraiser from Lincoln.

"Compared to four years ago, my interest is way down. Now, it's like it was before the Kings hired (former coach Rick) Adelman (in the 1998-99 season that began the eight-year Kings playoff run)."

"It's mediocre."

About the writer: Reach Marcos Bretón at (916) 321-1096 or mbreton@sacbee.com
 
I don't think this is really going to come as any surprise. Look at our ticket forum. We've NEVER had that many tickets available for games.

Knoblauch, above, has it right, IMHO. "Boring" isn't a word I'd ever want to associate with our Kings, but he's not far off the mark.

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This kind of thing transcends all sports/cities. It's still a sellout, only the ticket brokers are holding the tickets and weren't able to move them. Not a big deal. The Denver Broncos always have about 2000 no-shows, FWIW.
 
I'm guessing you haven't attended many Kings games, Venom...

There may have been the occasional seat empty here and there, but until sometime last season you never saw the blocks of seats that meant the ticket brokers hadn't been able to move them. And you never saw empty seats in the lower levels. I'm not saying there are a lot of them, but it is noticeable now where it hasn't been.

The whole thing about "sellout" is that the string most likely truly ended sometime last year and they were able to use the "no show" excuse to cover it.
 
This kind of thing transcends all sports/cities. It's still a sellout, only the ticket brokers are holding the tickets and weren't able to move them. Not a big deal. The Denver Broncos always have about 2000 no-shows, FWIW.

Yes but it is not that simple. If you read the article, there are lots of tickets... LOTS... available at the box office at gametime, even at halftime.

I sold my $230 tix to today's Hawks game for $150. I'm not crying about it, just making a point about how soft the market is. Go on ebay and see for yourself, tickets do not command full face value and premium games are being sold at face value or below. It is brutal.

There is a lady in Fresno who sold her $230 pair tickets to today's game for $50 on ebay. FIFTY, for a $230 pair of tickets in row K (almost $280 seats). That is just pitiful.

The sellout streak is a hoax. I hope they just call it honest, that it is "over" and we can start a new streak.... well... soon!

This is why I think the Maloofs should do the AI deal. It is too late to salvage this sellout streak, but I would not have sold my tix for today's game if AI and Artest were going to be on the floor for my side.
 
Yes but it is not that simple. If you read the article, there are lots of tickets... LOTS... available at the box office at gametime, even at halftime.

I sold my $230 tix to today's Hawks game for $150. I'm not crying about it, just making a point about how soft the market is. Go on ebay and see for yourself, tickets do not command full face value and premium games are being sold at face value or below. It is brutal.

There is a lady in Fresno who sold her $230 pair tickets to today's game for $50 on ebay. FIFTY, for a $230 pair of tickets in row K (almost $280 seats). That is just pitiful.

The sellout streak is a hoax. I hope they just call it honest, that it is "over" and we can start a new streak.... well... soon!

This is why I think the Maloofs should do the AI deal. It is too late to salvage this sellout streak, but I would not have sold my tix for today's game if AI and Artest were going to be on the floor for my side.

Good points all, Francisco.

I think people are under the mistaken impression that if the sellout streak ends, the team is a failure. That is NOT true. The Kings still would command some of the highest attendance records in the league. Not selling out a game doesn't mean the Kings will move. It only means - as you've said - the market is soft. And hello? So is our team right now... I don't think even the Maloofs would expect to continue to sell out for the types of lackluster efforts/results we've been seeing lately.

Yes, there have been injuries and other reasons, but the bottom line is this team just isn't that good right now. Once upon a time, before we had gone to the WCF, tickets weren't that expensive and people didn't tie performance that closely into buying a ticket. Now, however, with ticket prices as high as they are, most people who go want to see their money's worth and I certainly cannot blame them.

I love this team but the idea of spending a couple of hundred dollars, driving two hours one way, attending the game, and then having to drive two hours back is a daunting proposition - especially when I'm not even very confident I'll see a winning game.

If the Kings want us to continue to put our posteriors in the seats, they have to make sure they put their best efforts out there on the court. I could live with that - win or lose.

GO KINGS!!!
 
I got tickets for the Detroit game earlier this year pretty easily on Ebay, but I wish they'd stop advertising on the games that there are $10 seats still available. I've checked Ticketmaster and Kings.com for numerous games, and they're nowhere to be found. If they want to fill up the arena, LOWER THE PRICES on tickets below the nose-bleeds. I have no idea on the stats, but I'm guessing that they're at a level right now where the current prices more than cover the empty seats.
 
I'm guessing you haven't attended many Kings games, Venom...

There may have been the occasional seat empty here and there, but until sometime last season you never saw the blocks of seats that meant the ticket brokers hadn't been able to move them. And you never saw empty seats in the lower levels. I'm not saying there are a lot of them, but it is noticeable now where it hasn't been.

The whole thing about "sellout" is that the string most likely truly ended sometime last year and they were able to use the "no show" excuse to cover it.


Yeah, but those seats are still sold. I imagine the season-ticket wait list is still is as long as ever. It's just that, because of the team's performance, ticket holders choose not to attend more often and the high price makes it hard for brokers to move those tickets. Also, the Kings have to hold a certain amount of tickets for purchase at the box office which accounts for the cheap-seat tickets available. Those aren't counted in the "sell-out" equation. I just don't think it's a big deal. It's not like there is an entertainment alternative in Sacramento luring customers away. The only kind of impact this could have is if the Maloofs get scared and pull the trigger on an AI trade or something.
 
Yeah, but those seats are still sold. I imagine the season-ticket wait list is still is as long as ever. It's just that, because of the team's performance, ticket holders choose not to attend more often and the high price makes it hard for brokers to move those tickets. Also, the Kings have to hold a certain amount of tickets for purchase at the box office which accounts for the cheap-seat tickets available. Those aren't counted in the "sell-out" equation. I just don't think it's a big deal. It's not like there is an entertainment alternative in Sacramento luring customers away. The only kind of impact this could have is if the Maloofs get scared and pull the trigger on an AI trade or something.


No, from what I;ve heard its considerably worse than that. Tons of tickets avaiulabel for every game on ebay etc., nobody buying. My brother put up our/my tickets fro the Orlando and Miami games at face and didn't even get a nibble, and then I watch the game on TV and the arena is maybe 2/3full with huge swaths of empty seats. Its not just an attendance issue -- its that nobody wants to buy tickets even when they are available. What season ticket holders there are are either rethinking their position, or are just hanging onto them hopeing for better times ahead.
 
Talking about empty seats, did anyone see all the empty seats at Arco last night for the hawks game? Huge blocks of empty seats all over the upper deck. One section, in a side corner, looked to have no more than 80 to 100 people in an entire section.

How they can call a game like last night a sell out it beyond me, unless maybe the Palms buys up all the unsold pairs of seats, essentially making it a sellout.
 
If you were watching during the latter part of the game, you saw seats that had been occupied earlier. People left when it was clear the game was over - even though it was only the third quarter.

Once the bench came in, even more people left because they weren't there to see Potapenko play. ;)

I'm not saying that accounts for all the empty seats, but I did notice a marked difference between the two halves.
 
Once the bench came in, even more people left because they weren't there to see Potapenko play. ;)

I normally leave early in blowouts because I have a long drive back to the city, but now that there's a chance I might get to see Potapenko play I think I might start staying. I mean, is he going to take a jump shot and miss the backboard entirely? Shoot at his own basket and score points for the other team? I may start sticking around to find out.
 
I normally leave early in blowouts because I have a long drive back to the city, but now that there's a chance I might get to see Potapenko play I think I might start staying. I mean, is he going to take a jump shot and miss the backboard entirely? Shoot at his own basket and score points for the other team? I may start sticking around to find out.

And don't forget the ever-satisfying pick he sets (on offense in the middle of the paint) that his own player runs into and nearly knocks himself out on...

Vitaly stood there like a giant Sequoia. Corliss, having received the ball on a pass from Price, I believe, out near the stripe, put the ball on the court, and started forward, fully assuming his own player (who was facing him and clearly saw him) would step aside. Corliss kept coming, Vitaly stood his ground, and the result was Corliss ran into him and was rendered nearly unconscious.
 
The Cleveland Indians managed a similiar sell out streak for years and they play 81 games at home...

They can manipulate ticket sales I suppose.
 
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