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Nice article by Breton, which continues the sudden apparent change in tone from the Bee...

Breton: Kings were in trouble before Martin's return

...It's outright paranoia in absence of proof. It's as if the games themselves are being ignored.

Are you watching? Is it Martin's fault that Spencer Hawes has as much trouble protecting the paint as I do resisting a good poundcake? Is it Martin's fault that Jason Thompson struggles to control his emotions or thinks it's a good idea to pass the ball while being guarded by players half his size?

Is it Martin's fault when teammates miss wide-open shots?...

And...

...Though everyone should be trade bait on the worst team in the NBA, Martin appears to carry the public blame for Kings woes beyond his control.

And one more...

...There is no proof that Martin is sucking the air out of the room. This isn't about one guy ruining a great thing. The Kings have only lost since Martin returned – but they already were losing...

I haven't often agreed with Marcos Breton but I think he's got a view well worth reading. I'm glad he wrote it...
 
It's not Martin's fault. That doesn't mean he isn't the most attractive piece of trade material we have to offer with any shot of getting fair value in return.
 
Ah, but this isn't about Martin's trade value. This is about the blame being placed on him by any number of people for the current team woes.
 
this team has been horrible all year, granted its only been 22 days but still... 1 win this month so far? we have the heat, warriors, jazz and bobcats left this month... how many of those games do you think that we will win?
 
Ah, but this isn't about Martin's trade value. This is about the blame being placed on him by any number of people for the current team woes.
Fair enough, but it seems like anyone that suggests trading him is branded a Martin hater by some.
 
I am certainly not intimidated by Marcus Breton's basketball acumen, or lack thereof. And even those cherry picked quotes are easy to counter 1) Spencer has been a wuss all year, yet we won despite his wussiness for a while 2) Jason hasn't had control of his emotions since we got him yet we won depsite it for a while 3) guys missing their shots started right about the time that Kevin came back and disrutped the minutes/rotations/roles.

I thnk we were downward trending at the point Kevin returned, and it was absolutely the worst time for it. A young team needing to be focused, to regather and go out and try to correct the road thing, was suddenly hit by a giant monkey wrench and seems to have collapsed in confusion. Furthermore as the ranking vet, I think it make sit hard for the kids to reclaim the team and provide leadership. If Kevin were a vocal guy, or a guy wiht a history of winning to give him legitimacy, he might be able to step in as leader. But he's not, and the team seems to have one eye on reke, one on Kevin, waiting for a cue.
 
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marcus is right.. we were in trouble before. we're in HELL now.

Its this simple. and I am a Martin fan but first and fore-most I am a Kings fan so;

why should we trade martin?

Martin is easily replaced by our future youth. (Cisco,Beno,Casspi,Greene)

Martin gives us the most value in a trade without disrupting the team.

We balance out our roster and get a big that we need now to help JT and Hawes.

Martin is Injury prone.

We have our leader now in Reke and there should be no confusion. We are building around Reke, not Martin. Im sorry martin becaus eyou have been a true professional for your whole career. But honestly if this team wants to move in the right direction, getting that big to pair with Reke is the first step towards that. And the longer we hold onto Martin the longer we are avoiding the inevetable trade that will happen eventually.
 
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I am certainly not intimidated by Marcus Breton's basketball acumen, or lack thereof. And even those cherry picked quotes are easy to counter 1) Spencer has been a wuss all year, yet we won despite his wussiness for a while 2) Jason hasn't had control of his emotions since we got him yet we won depsite it for a while 3) guys missing their shots started right about the time that Kevin came back and disrutped the minutes/rotations/roles.

I thnk we were downward trending at the point Kevin returned, and it was absolutely the worst time for it. A young team needing to be focused, to regather and go out and try to correct the road thing, was suddenly hit by a giant monkey wrench and seems to have collapsed in confusion. Furthermore as the ranking vet, I think it make sit hard for the kids to reclaim the team and provide leadership. If Kevin were a vocal guy, or a guy wiht a history of winning to give him legitimacy, he might be able to step in as leader. But he's not, and the team seems to have one eye on reke, one on Kevin, waiting for a cue.

Is there something wrong with me that I can respond to this from two perspectives?

We won? Won what, 15 games?

or

We won the intangibles. Respect, confidence, renewed interest, promise.

Hmmmm.........
 
We've only scored 80-90 points in 4 of our last 6 games. Previously that only happened 3 times all season. Actually got this stat from someone else but it's true. I'm sorry, I know we stopped winning before KMart, but he's not the solution IMO. When you have value and you're not the solution then you're a candidate to be traded IMO. And this is coming from someone who was a HUGE Martin fan.
 
We've only scored 80-90 points in 4 of our last 6 games. Previously that only happened 3 times all season. Actually got this stat from someone else but it's true. I'm sorry, I know we stopped winning before KMart, but he's not the solution IMO. When you have value and you're not the solution then you're a candidate to be traded IMO. And this is coming from someone who was a HUGE Martin fan.
He's not the solution but he's not exactly the problem either. Not saying don't trade him, by all means if you give me a bonafide big man I'll trade him right now, but anyone who was expecting a insta-fix, for the team to be elevated to a higher level KMart's first game back was kidding themselves. I don't even know if we'll even get that by the end of the season. I just wouldn't hold my breath on a Kmart trade this season, since I don't exactly see anyone worth trading for being shopped around.
 
This team was playing like crap before Kevin returned. I'm not blaming Kevin for how poorly this team has played of late, because too many of our players aren't carrying their own weight. JT and Spencer stick out the most. Omri and Donte are so young that this inconsistency should be somewhat expected from them.

But the theory behind kevin returning was that he would make this team better. That is what an 11M per year player should do for you. So far, they aren't playing better, and they aren't even mainaining their poor level of play. Their poor play is actually getting worse. Its early, but its worse.

I am a fan of Kevin, but there is no point in keeping him around if he's not helping the team. The only reason for playing Kevin more minutes than Donte and Omri is if we're getting wins, and at a faster rate than if we relied on Omri and Donte. But we're not. And this team is lifeless. It almost seems as if the rebuilding was put on hold to work in kevin, while we drop one game after another.

We all thought the best case scenario would be that Kevin would come back and help this team make a run at the playoffs. But things have taken a turn for the worse. We have zero chance at the postseason. If Kevins not helping, he has to go, for 2 reasons.
1. He is our most valuable trade piece, and we desperately need a big.

2. If he doesn't make this team better, there is absolutely no reason to play him over Donte and Omri. Every minute those two don't see hurts us in the long run.

Kevin is our best chance at improving this team. He is our best chance at acquiring a game-changing big. And looking forward, Omri and Donte need to be on the court as much as possible. By not playing them we are holding up the rebuilding process. There is no reason to play vets over the younger guys if it doesn't improve your team.
 
I am certainly not intimidated by Marcus Breton's basketball acumen, or lack thereof. And even those cherry picked quotes are easy to counter 1) Spencer has been a wuss all year, yet we won despite his wussiness for a while 2) Jason hasn't had control of his emotions since we got him yet we won depsite it for a while 3) guys missing their shots started right about the time that Kevin came back and disrutped the minutes/rotations/roles.

I thnk we were downward trending at the point Kevin returned, and it was absolutely the worst time for it. A young team needing to be focused, to regather and go out and try to correct the road thing, was suddenly hit by a giant monkey wrench and seems to have collapsed in confusion. Furthermore as the ranking vet, I think it make sit hard for the kids to reclaim the team and provide leadership. If Kevin were a vocal guy, or a guy wiht a history of winning to give him legitimacy, he might be able to step in as leader. But he's not, and the team seems to have one eye on reke, one on Kevin, waiting for a cue.

THIS is why I blame Martin. I know we're not a very good team, but we managed to get it done on occasion with great chemistry and balance. Martin seems to have disrupted this. I like Martin and think he's a fantastic offensive player, but I really think we should look into trading him for some frontcourt help (and yes, I know it's very likely that Petrie HAS in fact done this, and I'm aware that if nothing gets done doesn't mean no effort was made)
 
THIS is why I blame Martin. I know we're not a very good team, but we managed to get it done on occasion with great chemistry and balance. Martin seems to have disrupted this. I like Martin and think he's a fantastic offensive player, but I really think we should look into trading him for some frontcourt help (and yes, I know it's very likely that Petrie HAS in fact done this, and I'm aware that if nothing gets done doesn't mean no effort was made)

do u know what else started right when martin came back? our longest road trip. against philly who was .500 in their last 10 games, wash who we barely beat at home, a bobcats team who won 7 of their last 8 before us and were like 18-4 at home (including wins over the cavs, rockets, spurs and suns), atlanta and orlando, u know, the top 2 teams in the southeast conference, one of which is the defending eastern conf champs?
 
THIS is why I blame Martin. I know we're not a very good team, but we managed to get it done on occasion with great chemistry and balance. Martin seems to have disrupted this. I like Martin and think he's a fantastic offensive player, but I really think we should look into trading him for some frontcourt help (and yes, I know it's very likely that Petrie HAS in fact done this, and I'm aware that if nothing gets done doesn't mean no effort was made)
I don't don't blame Kevin for this. Blame implies fault. This isn't Kevins fault. The pieces just don't seem to fit. Kevin isn't going out there and intentionally trying to throw games and screw this thing up.

Kevin has made an effort to get others involved. He has played better on defense. He has tried, and is trying to fit it. I just don't see it working out. It has too much of a negative effect on chemistry and the confidence of Donte and Omri. But when you say you blame him, to me that comes accross as you think he is intentionally wanting/wishing for this to happen. I think Kevin wants this to work. I don't think thats in question. Sometimes the pieces jsut don't fit eventhough the intentions are good from all included.
 
Fair enough, but it seems like anyone that suggests trading him is branded a Martin hater by some.

I am with you man. Martin is very good player, a good teammate and an all- around great guy, but I am ready for a trade if we can get some serious help on the front line.

Breton completely misses the point IMHO.
 
I swear this Microwave, gotta have it now generation just dont got no patience!

This unit has to play together for at LEAST the trade deadline before you can even begin to make ANY assumptions about chemistry or who can play with whom. There just isn't enough evidence to point one way or the other. The Kings are a bad team right now no matter what lineup PW puts on the floor. They have not played enough on offense or defense to make any assumptions regarding their future. There are some things we do know watching this team from the start of the season:

1) Hawes came into camp and the season dreadfully out of shape! The reason he skipped summer training camp was not some family obligation that he vaguely mentioned, it is because he was out of shape then and didn't want the coaches knowing about his lack of discipline and lazy attitude and him not doing his JOB, which was to increase his muscle mass in his upper and lower body all off season. I suspect that the Kings got wise to his lax ways the previous year, which is why they got him to commit to going to summer camp even though that is somewhat of a rarity for a third year player to attend a rookie camp. It is a tad unusual, but by no means unheard of. Jason Thompson was there and I believe it really helped him get ahead of the team early in the season. This sort of behavior by Hawes is juvenile and really is not what you want out of a professional employee you are shelling out Millions of dollars to for playing a game. This being his 3rd season makes this behavior and deception to cover his tracks a red flag that the staff is certain to be watching closely. It would appear that Hawes spent WAY TOO much time with Brad.

2) The Kings as a whole are not in the best shape they can be entering the season. Every year we see the sort of injuries early that indicate that some players were not being physically active during their summer break, They are the kind of nagging little injuries that you get if you dont stretch properly before a big workout. The kind of injuries one might get if you hadn't been active at ALL for a long period of time even if you are in good physical shape and you start going full tilt. I have recently been questioning the training staff of the Kings and wondering why certain athletes are in better shape than others when they ALL are PAYED well to stay in the best shape possible at all times... You know year round!! So why is it that every year we have some players showing up having obviously worked out having improved their physics, while others seem to be in less than stellar shape (not necessarily out of shape but not at that elite world class athlete shape either) coming out of off season? I am pretty sure that the training staff duties do not include baby sitting adults and making sure they are doing the training programs that they are individually created and tailored for each athlete to work on areas that they need to for the off season. Perhaps the Kings need to send these trainers on roadies to check on the progress of the players during the off season or maybe fine players that are not meeting certain health criteria. What I do know is that the Kings have a YOUNG team that seems to have issues every training camp regarding readiness to go hard on day one of training camp for every player without a pulled muscle here or a tweeked muscle there. Part of being on a TEAM is doing your part and giving 100% even in the off season. Heck, this is professional sports. here is no off season! Maybe we need a new training staff or more personal trainers for certain players that are not sticking to the diet/workout plans they know they should be implementing. The facts are, the Kings as a team seem to have more injuries than other veteran teams that seem to know the drill and are on board 100% with the program. Players that cant keep up with the program need to be motivated or moved.

3) And last but certainly not least, why do we not have a bona fide big mans coach in camp for EACH of our young bigs? Those kids are a MAJOR investment by the club and their physical and mental well being. The Kings FUTURE rests in the hands of the 2 YOUNG BIGS in Hawes and JT. The Team should be investing all possible resources necessary to insure that those 2 are getting the year around training, nutrition, and skill development necessary to help these kids maximize their potential. I guarantee you that other teams are helping THEIR franchise players reach their physical and professional goals by providing ALL the assets necessary to assist them in there goals of being the most finely tuned athletes in the WORLD. I personally can not see the same sort of maximization program going on with the Kings. Where are the top NOTCH big man mentors for Spencer and Jason? Who is getting into these Kids ears and giving them the daily advice they NEED to become what the team and the Fans want these Kids to become? Who are these mentors ?? If we HAVE to have these 2 succeed in a big way in order to get the Kings to the next level and really go after the success that ALL NBA Players are seeking from the time they are very young till today, what resources are the Kings providing to help insure that these kids get the support they are looking for.Or if they are NOT looking for how to succeed and take it to the next level, where are the motivational influences in these kids lives that will keep these kids on track to keep reaching for success and moving forward in their professional careers? Is the Kings Organization doing enough to ensure that there are plans and programs in place to make sure that with all the youth we have on this team that there are resources to help give these kids positive direction and guidance??? If you are gonna build through the draft, you gotta start younger and younger now days. Hopefully the Organization has put into place resources for these VERY young adults to make the RIGHT decisions that benefit the team and themselves!!!

Young kids these days are influenced by so many negative influences all around them. They really needs to be mentors to provide positive influences to counteract and correct all the confusion that creates barriers to communication and walls that separate team members instead of bringing them closer together. I hope that the Kings organization is doing all they can to foster these positive influences in light of the fact that they have chosen to build through a "youth movement". I have noticed that there have been instances in the past that suggest that the Kings have NOT built the groundwork to help these young players they keep bringing in to adapt to the business that is the NBA. I think that last year's handling of Donte Greene is an example for the Kings to take a good hard look at and see what it was last year that caused Donte to get on the wrong page while the rest of the team was moving in a different direction. It caused strife and misunderstanding that only now are clearing up and that has directly influenced Donte and may have contributed to the success of Donte on the court!

Last season's coach didn't have the communication skills to talk with the young skilled intelligent athletes that the team is betting the future of their success on. We cant afford any more misunderstandings like the Greene situation last year. I believe that Paul Westphal is a better communicator and can handle these young kids that want to learn and want to win but need to learn the game AND the business. Young men 18-25 are still what society would consider semi-mature. Add to that the pressure of being millionaires and iconic figures in society an The NBA forces these young men to mature faster and the pressure of the game is a lot for these kids to handle. How your coaching staff handles these young minds and incorporates their talents is a really tough job in today's NBA. Maybe that is why the turnover rate of NBA coaches is SO fast! Day one of an NBA coach is the countdown to the next firing! They dont pay these coaches nearly enough to deal with all of the stuff they have to deal with these days! :-)
 
Personally, I think it is somewhat of a cop out when people say give the team time to mesh. Teams catch fire and lose it because of chemistry. The Kings didn't have it to start the season and they don't have it now. Why is it that they were playing so well so quickly after Kevin got hurt? Why didn't they need time to "mesh" without Kevin? Don't get me wrong, I am a Kevin Martin fan and appreciate his offensive game. One thing I have never been very high on though is his lack of passion. Since he has come back to the team their chemistry looks terrible, and there is no passion. My opinion is that it's never going to work. But this is just one fan's two cents... I think we have to trade him.
 
Personally, I think it is somewhat of a cop out when people say give the team time to mesh. Teams catch fire and lose it because of chemistry. The Kings didn't have it to start the season and they don't have it now. Why is it that they were playing so well so quickly after Kevin got hurt? Why didn't they need time to "mesh" without Kevin? Don't get me wrong, I am a Kevin Martin fan and appreciate his offensive game. One thing I have never been very high on though is his lack of passion. Since he has come back to the team their chemistry looks terrible, and there is no passion. My opinion is that it's never going to work. But this is just one fan's two cents... I think we have to trade him.

I agree 100%. It only makes sense to trade him for frontcourt help IMO.
 
Personally, I think it is somewhat of a cop out when people say give the team time to mesh. Teams catch fire and lose it because of chemistry. The Kings didn't have it to start the season and they don't have it now. Why is it that they were playing so well so quickly after Kevin got hurt? Why didn't they need time to "mesh" without Kevin? Don't get me wrong, I am a Kevin Martin fan and appreciate his offensive game. One thing I have never been very high on though is his lack of passion. Since he has come back to the team their chemistry looks terrible, and there is no passion. My opinion is that it's never going to work. But this is just one fan's two cents... I think we have to trade him.


could it have anything to do with playing a lot of crappy teams at home? (ie. GS, NY, NJ, indy, minny, and wash)
 
1) Hawes came into camp and the season dreadfully out of shape! The reason he skipped summer training camp was not some family obligation that he vaguely mentioned, it is because he was out of shape then and didn't want the coaches knowing about his lack of discipline and lazy attitude and him not doing his JOB, which was to increase his muscle mass in his upper and lower body all off season.

I keep on seeing inferences to Hawes and this supposed lack of work ethic, and I don't know where it's coming from.

His play has been beyond disappointing this year, and I think fans want to point to work-ethic as a reason for it. The problem is that everything coming out of the Kings organization seems to say the opposite. That he's working hard to try to improve himself and his game.

Let's face it. His primary issue in regards to being the type of player we want him to be is his strength. If everyone knows this, then it that is the focus the organization is taking with his development.
I also want to mention that I recall it being discussed that the organization did not want him to add weight. They wanted to him him at a lighter weight while still working to gain the strength needed to work the post. So pointing to pictures as to how his body looks isn't going to do anything if the focus of his training is to gain strength while keeping his weight down.

Finally, Hawes had to sit behind Miller for a year-and-a-half. When Miller left, Hawes had a great end to his 2nd season. Knowing that this was to be the year that he'd fully establish himself as a legitimate starting Center his priority would have been to work to make that a reality. He's a very fiery competitor, so I just don't see where he has any incentive to just stop working.

Again, his play has not been good at all. But I just don't see his work ethic as being the problem here.
 
Martin has been one of the very few bright spots the last few years and I always rooted for him to put up big numbers and have good success everytime out on the floor.

Unfortunately, I just don't see the Kings being a playoff caliber team, or ultimately a championship contender with Martin in the line-up.

The team has been scoring less points, playing with less intensity/enthusiasm/cohesiveness since his return. This game against Orlando really intensified the feelings that the Kings just don't know what's going on. They just seem befuddled.

Kevin is our best trading chip. His presence has also caused a major drop in minutes for our young players (Donte/Casspi) and their growth seems to have hit a wall.

So with all that said, I have a feeling that he's going to get traded next week.

If we've been monitoring the progress of the Kings closely you know that Geoff and Westphal have been looking at it far more closely. They both know that an interior presence is desparately needed if this team is going to succeed.
You know the Maloofs are not happy. The excitement and enthusiasm they had earlier is gone. I would imagine that the fanbase is starting to dwindle away again as the team continues to show less and less cohesion.

So I think that Geoff probably already has a deal in place, and one where the Maloofs would be willing to sign off. The sooner this happens the better the chances that the team can turn around and become competitive again.

I believe that Geoff is going to allow Kevin to come back to Sacramento to play in front of the fans. Once that happens, I expect a trade shortly after.

I don't think that the Team/Maloofs/Fans benefit at all by waiting till the end of the deadline or the off-season. Now, if all Geoff is getting is low-ball offers for Martin, then he won't pull the trigger. But if there is a deal out there for a Big Man, then I think the deal happens. I truly do believe that the hold-up has been due to the roadtrip, as Geoff is the type of GM who would want Martin to have a last 'Hurrah' in front of the Sacramento fans.

I know that the FO office denies any Martin rumors, but we all know that with this FO, they can deny it one day, and then announce something the next.

If Martin is traded, I'll still be rooting for him wherever he goes. If his trade means brining in an impact Big Man and kick-starts something special for this Kings team, then I'll remember him all the more fondly.

We'll see what happens next week.
 
I don't don't blame Kevin for this. Blame implies fault. This isn't Kevins fault. The pieces just don't seem to fit. Kevin isn't going out there and intentionally trying to throw games and screw this thing up.

Kevin has made an effort to get others involved. He has played better on defense. He has tried, and is trying to fit it. I just don't see it working out. It has too much of a negative effect on chemistry and the confidence of Donte and Omri. But when you say you blame him, to me that comes accross as you think he is intentionally wanting/wishing for this to happen. I think Kevin wants this to work. I don't think thats in question. Sometimes the pieces jsut don't fit eventhough the intentions are good from all included.

I guess blame is a strong word. This is basically what I meant
 
its hilarious how now the team has problems... we've had the same problems the entire season, how many teams over .500 have we beaten? 2-3, houston (5-4), denver(20-12, 23-14) and thats it really, both at home. utah(2-4), memphis(1-3) and new orleans(7-10) dont count because they werent over .500 when we beat them.

we beat bad teams at home and on the road, well the 3 games that we did win on the road... thats pretty much it, ive been saying it all season and was labeled a laker fan for it. we beat denver both times at home... we have yet to beat a team over .500 on the road. we had lost 6 of our last 7 games leading up to martins return. if it werent for the denver game we wouldve been on a 7 game losing streak when martin returned and then lost the 6 games since his return.

is that martins fault as well? no.... if the kings had won the games against the sub .500 teams we would be damn near at .500 ourselves instead of being 12 games under. we started this downward spiral 2 games under .500, that first loss to philly really hurt... it was the beginning of the end. we should all be lucky that we did somehow beat denver twice. it was funny to me arguing with some of you about this ****. we took the lakers to double overtime... so what? we lost to the warriors, sixers and wizards... we should have won those games. we shouldnt be sitting here at 15 wins still...

thats not martins fault... its petrie's fault, he assembled this team. its westphal's fault, he coaches the team.... i wont blame tyreke, he's a rookie... thompson, hawes, greene, casspi, brockman, nocioni, beno and sergio are not going to win you many games on their own, if any at all really...
 
But the theory behind kevin returning was that he would make this team better. That is what an 11M per year player should do for you. So far, they aren't playing better, and they aren't even mainaining their poor level of play. Their poor play is actually getting worse. Its early, but its worse.

I am a fan of Kevin, but there is no point in keeping him around if he's not helping the team. The only reason for playing Kevin more minutes than Donte and Omri is if we're getting wins, and at a faster rate than if we relied on Omri and Donte. But we're not. And this team is lifeless. It almost seems as if the rebuilding was put on hold to work in kevin, while we drop one game after another.
I think many fans don't get this. I say what you're saying makes perfect sense. Martin is very expensive at 11M per year if he is making this team worse. I'll say trade Martin as soon as possible. He is being a CANCER to the team, although by no means all his fault. :D
 
This unit has to play together for at LEAST the trade deadline before you can even begin to make ANY assumptions about chemistry or who can play with whom. There just isn't enough evidence to point one way or the other. The Kings are a bad team right now no matter what lineup PW puts on the floor. They have not played enough on offense or defense to make any assumptions regarding their future. There are some things we do know watching this team from the start of the season:

1) Hawes came into camp and the season dreadfully out of shape! The reason he skipped summer training camp was not some family obligation that he vaguely mentioned, it is because he was out of shape then and didn't want the coaches knowing about his lack of discipline and lazy attitude and him not doing his JOB, which was to increase his muscle mass in his upper and lower body all off season. I suspect that the Kings got wise to his lax ways the previous year, which is why they got him to commit to going to summer camp even though that is somewhat of a rarity for a third year player to attend a rookie camp. It is a tad unusual, but by no means unheard of. Jason Thompson was there and I believe it really helped him get ahead of the team early in the season. This sort of behavior by Hawes is juvenile and really is not what you want out of a professional employee you are shelling out Millions of dollars to for playing a game. This being his 3rd season makes this behavior and deception to cover his tracks a red flag that the staff is certain to be watching closely. It would appear that Hawes spent WAY TOO much time with Brad.

2) The Kings as a whole are not in the best shape they can be entering the season. Every year we see the sort of injuries early that indicate that some players were not being physically active during their summer break, They are the kind of nagging little injuries that you get if you dont stretch properly before a big workout. The kind of injuries one might get if you hadn't been active at ALL for a long period of time even if you are in good physical shape and you start going full tilt. I have recently been questioning the training staff of the Kings and wondering why certain athletes are in better shape than others when they ALL are PAYED well to stay in the best shape possible at all times... You know year round!! So why is it that every year we have some players showing up having obviously worked out having improved their physics, while others seem to be in less than stellar shape (not necessarily out of shape but not at that elite world class athlete shape either) coming out of off season? I am pretty sure that the training staff duties do not include baby sitting adults and making sure they are doing the training programs that they are individually created and tailored for each athlete to work on areas that they need to for the off season. Perhaps the Kings need to send these trainers on roadies to check on the progress of the players during the off season or maybe fine players that are not meeting certain health criteria. What I do know is that the Kings have a YOUNG team that seems to have issues every training camp regarding readiness to go hard on day one of training camp for every player without a pulled muscle here or a tweeked muscle there. Part of being on a TEAM is doing your part and giving 100% even in the off season. Heck, this is professional sports. here is no off season! Maybe we need a new training staff or more personal trainers for certain players that are not sticking to the diet/workout plans they know they should be implementing. The facts are, the Kings as a team seem to have more injuries than other veteran teams that seem to know the drill and are on board 100% with the program. Players that cant keep up with the program need to be motivated or moved.

3) And last but certainly not least, why do we not have a bona fide big mans coach in camp for EACH of our young bigs? Those kids are a MAJOR investment by the club and their physical and mental well being. The Kings FUTURE rests in the hands of the 2 YOUNG BIGS in Hawes and JT. The Team should be investing all possible resources necessary to insure that those 2 are getting the year around training, nutrition, and skill development necessary to help these kids maximize their potential. I guarantee you that other teams are helping THEIR franchise players reach their physical and professional goals by providing ALL the assets necessary to assist them in there goals of being the most finely tuned athletes in the WORLD. I personally can not see the same sort of maximization program going on with the Kings. Where are the top NOTCH big man mentors for Spencer and Jason? Who is getting into these Kids ears and giving them the daily advice they NEED to become what the team and the Fans want these Kids to become? Who are these mentors ?? If we HAVE to have these 2 succeed in a big way in order to get the Kings to the next level and really go after the success that ALL NBA Players are seeking from the time they are very young till today, what resources are the Kings providing to help insure that these kids get the support they are looking for.Or if they are NOT looking for how to succeed and take it to the next level, where are the motivational influences in these kids lives that will keep these kids on track to keep reaching for success and moving forward in their professional careers? Is the Kings Organization doing enough to ensure that there are plans and programs in place to make sure that with all the youth we have on this team that there are resources to help give these kids positive direction and guidance??? If you are gonna build through the draft, you gotta start younger and younger now days. Hopefully the Organization has put into place resources for these VERY young adults to make the RIGHT decisions that benefit the team and themselves!!!

Young kids these days are influenced by so many negative influences all around them. They really needs to be mentors to provide positive influences to counteract and correct all the confusion that creates barriers to communication and walls that separate team members instead of bringing them closer together. I hope that the Kings organization is doing all they can to foster these positive influences in light of the fact that they have chosen to build through a "youth movement". I have noticed that there have been instances in the past that suggest that the Kings have NOT built the groundwork to help these young players they keep bringing in to adapt to the business that is the NBA. I think that last year's handling of Donte Greene is an example for the Kings to take a good hard look at and see what it was last year that caused Donte to get on the wrong page while the rest of the team was moving in a different direction. It caused strife and misunderstanding that only now are clearing up and that has directly influenced Donte and may have contributed to the success of Donte on the court!

Last season's coach didn't have the communication skills to talk with the young skilled intelligent athletes that the team is betting the future of their success on. We cant afford any more misunderstandings like the Greene situation last year. I believe that Paul Westphal is a better communicator and can handle these young kids that want to learn and want to win but need to learn the game AND the business. Young men 18-25 are still what society would consider semi-mature. Add to that the pressure of being millionaires and iconic figures in society an The NBA forces these young men to mature faster and the pressure of the game is a lot for these kids to handle. How your coaching staff handles these young minds and incorporates their talents is a really tough job in today's NBA. Maybe that is why the turnover rate of NBA coaches is SO fast! Day one of an NBA coach is the countdown to the next firing! They dont pay these coaches nearly enough to deal with all of the stuff they have to deal with these days! :-)
I think we need a better GM if what you are saying are true.
 
Personally, I think it is somewhat of a cop out when people say give the team time to mesh. Teams catch fire and lose it because of chemistry. The Kings didn't have it to start the season and they don't have it now. Why is it that they were playing so well so quickly after Kevin got hurt? Why didn't they need time to "mesh" without Kevin? Don't get me wrong, I am a Kevin Martin fan and appreciate his offensive game. One thing I have never been very high on though is his lack of passion. Since he has come back to the team their chemistry looks terrible, and there is no passion. My opinion is that it's never going to work. But this is just one fan's two cents... I think we have to trade him.
Bingo !

I absolutely agree with this one.

Kevin Martin's lack of passion in his game is infectious!

I think we have to trade him ASAP before the whole team gets infected. It scares me to think that one of the best players and leader of the team may end up unintentionally leading the team to playing without passion. Since he got back, the team had slowly reverted back to playing without fire in their eyes. On the last game, the never-quit attitude of the team was gone.
 
Breton is spot on. Historically, the bottom teams win a much higher percentage of games in the first 20 games of the season than at any time later. Enthusiasm wins early season games then the better teams get the timing and coordination going and they then start winning their higher percentage. At the same time the better/top teams see what the new kids on the block (Kings and their great kids) are doing early on and go out and put the hurt on them to get them off their rookie like games.

Pressuring JT and Hawes at both ends is one prime example as is double teaming Tyreke every time he handles the ball and guarding the Kings tighter on the perimeter due to Kings lack of a down low presence.

Breton got it right. Kevin is a winner and can help the kids win some games. But the weaknesses are now more glaring as other teams watch the film and see what to do in the 4th to disrupt the Kings.

To me at least, I think the Kings play better when Beno is the primary ball handler. Coach has a really tough job on his hands as no one group have shown yet they deserve the starters minutes. Brockman is not a starting NBA center for sure but his defensive presence is better than anyone else........so far.
 
"Who's Kevin Martin?" Ever since I came to visit Texas that what everyone at the military base says, they all know about Tyreke.


TRADE
 
its hilarious how now the team has problems... we've had the same problems the entire season, how many teams over .500 have we beaten?2-3, houston (5-4), denver(20-12, 23-14) and thats it really, both at home. utah(2-4), memphis(1-3) and new orleans(7-10) dont count because they werent over .500 when we beat them.

we beat bad teams at home and on the road, well the 3 games that we did win on the road... thats pretty much it, ive been saying it all season and was labeled a laker fan for it. we beat denver both times at home... we have yet to beat a team over .500 on the road. we had lost 6 of our last 7 games leading up to martins return. if it werent for the denver game we wouldve been on a 7 game losing streak when martin returned and then lost the 6 games since his return.

is that martins fault as well? no.... if the kings had won the games against the sub .500 teams we would be damn near at .500 ourselves instead of being 12 games under. we started this downward spiral 2 games under .500, that first loss to philly really hurt... it was the beginning of the end. we should all be lucky that we did somehow beat denver twice. it was funny to me arguing with some of you about this ****. we took the lakers to double overtime... so what? we lost to the warriors, sixers and wizards... we should have won those games. we shouldnt be sitting here at 15 wins still...

thats not martins fault... its petrie's fault, he assembled this team. its westphal's fault, he coaches the team.... i wont blame tyreke, he's a rookie... thompson, hawes, greene, casspi, brockman, nocioni, beno and sergio are not going to win you many games on their own, if any at all really...

houston without yao and denver without melo...and that hornets game, they played without CP3. the thing is half the people here dont look that deep into it, someone posts something and others blindly follow. they just want to blame somebody even if theres reasoning why someone shouldnt be blamed. i just wish i was on the forum before adelman got fired, to see if it's the same people with the torches and pitchforks
 
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