Brad to Chicago?

[ParniValjak]

What about this trade?

Chicago Trade Breakdown

Incoming Players
Shelden Williams
6-9 PF from Duke
No games yet played in 2007/08
Kenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
No games yet played in 2007/08
Brad Miller
7-0 C from Purdue
No games yet played in 2007/08

Outgoing Players
Joakim Noah
6-11 PF from Florida
No games yet played in 2007/08
Drew Gooden
6-9 PF from Kansas
No games yet played in 2007/08
Larry Hughes
6-5 SG from St. Louis
No games yet played in 2007/08

Sacramento Trade Breakdown

Incoming Players
Joakim Noah
6-11 PF from Florida
No games yet played in 2007/08
Drew Gooden
6-9 PF from Kansas
No games yet played in 2007/08
Larry Hughes
6-5 SG from St. Louis
No games yet played in 2007/08

Outgoing Players
Shelden Williams
6-9 PF from Duke
No games yet played in 2007/08
Kenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
No games yet played in 2007/08
Brad Miller
7-0 C from Purdue
No games yet played in 2007/08

 

[SacKings4Life21]

I was thinking today at work that the Kings should take Hughes off thier hands and give them KT. This seems like a good trade to me. I like Gooden and his contract is reasonable and short. They want to unload Noc though. I would do it with Noc instead of Gooden for sure. He is a really good player.

 

[bajaden]

I was thinking today at work that the Kings should take Hughes off thier hands and give them KT. This seems like a good trade to me. I like Gooden and his contract is reasonable and short. They want to unload Noc though. I would do it with Noc instead of Gooden for sure. He is a really good player.

Rumors are, that there are 4 or 5 teams interested in Hughes, and actually willing to trade live bodies for him. So I don't think that they'll be interested in KT. I find it surprising that anyone is interested in Hughes, to be honest with you. Especially with that contract.

 

[nbrans]

Here's Amick on this rumor:

I was told yesterday by a source close to the Kings that basketball president Geoff Petrie has not spoken with Bulls GM John Paxson about Brad Miller. Now I don't think that means Paxson couldn't have called asking about Miller, but it seems the consensus is that Brad's time to be dealt is much more likely to be next summer.
Spencer Hawes has made significant strides, but they want to keep Brad around to help with the transition and knowing full well that Miller could elicit better offers next summer because of his then-expiring deal ($12.2 million). Now the disclaimer here is this: if the Kings could grab a Joakim Noah now (who Petrie has been very high on and wanted to draft last summer) and maybe even a pick, then maybe they expedite the process. Especially with the Artest watch seemingly coming near an end, mark the Bulls down as someone to watch in the Miller sweepstakes.
According to a league source, the Bulls have interest in Miller (and many others) and are shopping forward Andres Nocioni (four years, $29 million left with team option for the 2012-13 at $7.5 million) and point guard Kirk Hinrich (five seasons left for combined $44.5 million). They appear very motivated to do a deal of some kind now that the Luol Deng situation has been resolved

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/archives/014245.html

 

[LPKingsFan]

Here's Amick on this rumor:



http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/archives/014245.html

Seems reasonable enough. If there's not a great market for Brad now, then no reason to hurry (unless Spencer shows really well during his 5-game audition). And of course if you can get Noah, you do it no questions asked.

 

[AriesMar27]

trading miller isnt that big of a deal to me... i can live with him on the team unless the kings can get a good deal out of it that they couldnt pass up like tyrus thomas or josh smith...

 

[upinsmoke]

After thinking about it I think it would be a better idea to take a pass on Noah. He plays with energy but unless he wants to play off the bench and a take a mid level than there are better moves to make.

 

[Bricklayer]

After thinking about it I think it would be a better idea to take a pass on Noah. He plays with energy but unless he wants to play off the bench and a take a mid level than there are better moves to make.

Such as?

Brad Miller was completely 100% unmoveable as recently as 9 months ago. You get a team willing to trade you a young big fresh out of the lottery for him, you dump him just like you did Mike or Ron and get this rebuild into full gear.

Nobody is trading you a star for him. And with Hawes and TYhompson in town he is exactly what we need as the third big. Plays PF. Plays C. Does the little things. And yes, a bencher, albeit a major minute bencher. And then you are set up front forever, or at least until everybody tops out and you decide you need an upgrade. But you add Noah to Hawes and Thompson, you have all the bigs you need for the next 10 years if they develop. 4th and 5th bigs can come and go. Be anybody. Not important. The key is that you've got your perfect starting C, starting PF, and combo PF/C off the bench balance, and they are all young guys coming up together.

 

[upinsmoke]

I dislike his mid range game and does not have many moves in the post. His game is mostly hustle more than talent which can honestly only take him so far in terms of progression in his game. Not to mention we just got rid of one pain in the a## there is no need to add a less talented pain the a##.

 

[Kingsroots]

I agree with Brick. While I don't think we should just give Brad away, I would even consider a trade of Miller for Noc, Simmons, and a 1st next year a good deal considering what just happened with Brad and poking smot. Also, as Brick said, nobody even wanted the lazy overweight and out of shape brad just a year ago. In the words of Ben Stiller in Starsky and Hutch, "Do it." ......."Do it."

 

[16to93]

Such as?

Brad Miller was completely 100% unmoveable as recently as 9 months ago. You get a team willing to trade you a young big fresh out of the lottery for him, you dump him just like you did Mike or Ron and get this rebuild into full gear.

Nobody is trading you a star for him. And with Hawes and TYhompson in town he is exactly what we need as the third big. Plays PF. Plays C. Does the little things. And yes, a bencher, albeit a major minute bencher. And then you are set up front forever, or at least until everybody tops out and you decide you need an upgrade. But you add Noah to Hawes and Thompson, you have all the bigs you need for the next 10 years if they develop. 4th and 5th bigs can come and go. Be anybody. Not important. The key is that you've got your perfect starting C, starting PF, and combo PF/C off the bench balance, and they are all young guys coming up together.

Yeah sounds great, I would do it.

C: Hawes, Noah
PF: Thompson, Noah, Greene

Plus, we would, according to rumors, get another first round pick from them. Since we now have several first rounders we could package a couple of those along with maybe some second rounders to move up into top 5-10 range.

 

[upinsmoke]

In order for the trade to work we would have to bring in Nocioni and his 5 year deal right? Dont get me wrong we could do much worse for a bench player than Noah however I dont want to take in a 30 year old player and a 5 year deal with Nocioni.

 

[Entity]

Yeah sounds great, I would do it.

C: Hawes, Noah
PF: Thompson, Noah, Greene

Plus, we would, according to rumors, get another first round pick from them. Since we now have several first rounders we could package a couple of those along with maybe some second rounders to move up into top 5-10 range.

that rumor of the first round pick was when it was Cidric Simmons and Noccioni. I doubt Chicago would give us Noah and a 1st. Hell if we can get Noah i'd throw in our 1st we just got from Houston.

Udrih/Brown/Douby
Martin/Garcia/Douby
Salmons/Noccioni/Garica/Greene
Thompson/Noah/Williams/Greene
Hawes/Noah/Thompson

I likey. oh yeah Moore is in there somewhere also.

 

[ParniValjak]

Such as?

Brad Miller was completely 100% unmoveable as recently as 9 months ago. You get a team willing to trade you a young big fresh out of the lottery for him, you dump him just like you did Mike or Ron and get this rebuild into full gear.

Nobody is trading you a star for him. And with Hawes and TYhompson in town he is exactly what we need as the third big. Plays PF. Plays C. Does the little things. And yes, a bencher, albeit a major minute bencher. And then you are set up front forever, or at least until everybody tops out and you decide you need an upgrade. But you add Noah to Hawes and Thompson, you have all the bigs you need for the next 10 years if they develop. 4th and 5th bigs can come and go. Be anybody. Not important. The key is that you've got your perfect starting C, starting PF, and combo PF/C off the bench balance, and they are all young guys coming up together.

And the beauty of it all is that you get 3 legitimate talls that have legitimate height! Not undersized front line but legitimate 6'11+, three man rotation.

Now neither of them will likely be superstars but on paper they complement each other nicely. While Noah is not much of an offensive threat, he is a good passer, rebounder and shotblocker. Exactly the sort of reserve big man you would be looking for. If he can get some consistency with his mid range jump shot we are talking about a Keon Clarke type role player here.

If we can pull this off then there would be a nice core of young players to work with here.

C: Hawes / Noah
PF: Thompson / Noah / Greene
SF: Greene / Garcia
SG: Martin / Garcia
PG: Udrih

Thats already a pretty solid 7 man young rotation. Add to that a lottery pick (whith this trade it would likely be a top 6 or so) this year and possibly the year after and a couple of other 1st round picks and you have a very good young team. Add to that a quality veteran FA or 2 in the 2010 free agency and you are aleady well on the way.

If we can get Chicago to agree to this deal we should do it. Although we could probably puch our luck and maybe get Gooden's expiring deal or Hughes' contract (expires 2010) instead of Nocioni!

 

[Entity]

And the beauty of it all is that you get 3 legitimate talls that have legitimate height! Not undersized front line but legitimate 6'11+, three man rotation.

Now neither of them will likely be superstars but on paper they complement each other nicely. While Noah is not much of an offensive threat, he is a good passer, rebounder and shotblocker. Exactly the sort of reserve big man you would be looking for. If he can get some consistency with his mid range jump shot we are talking about a Keon Clarke type role player here.

If we can pull this off then there would be a nice core of young players to work with here.

C: Hawes / Noah
PF: Thompson / Noah / Greene
SF: Greene / Garcia
SG: Martin / Garcia
PG: Udrih

Thats already a pretty solid 7 man young rotation. Add to that a lottery pick (whith this trade it would likely be a top 6 or so) this year and possibly the year after and a couple of other 1st round picks and you have a very good young team. Add to that a quality veteran FA or 2 in the 2010 free agency and you are aleady well on the way.

If we can get Chicago to agree to this deal we should do it. Although we could probably puch our luck and maybe get Gooden's expiring deal or Hughes' contract (expires 2010) instead of Nocioni!

Once again if we do get Noah there is no way in hell we get a 1st rounder as well.

 

[ParniValjak]

Once again if we do get Noah there is no way in hell we get a 1st rounder as well.

But we have one from Houston and we could possibly get one if we decide to trade Salmons after he starts for a few months or a year.

The point still stands though, a couple of lottery picks (our own) at least another 1st round pick (from Houston) and a couple of good veteran FAs to add to an already impressive young core and you have a VERY good team in the making.

 

[upinsmoke]

OUT
Brad Miller

In
Joakim Noah
Drew Gooden

This deal works on Tradechecker and Trade Machine. Can we have like a PF garage sale or something LOL.

 

[mm16]

here's an article i found from yesterday morning (sorry if it's been posted). i really hope a trade does go down.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/53819/20080731/brad_miller_back_to_chicago/

i don't know if they're talking about hughes being involved in the trade or if he's just attracting interest seperately?

Brad Miller Back To Chicago?
Jul 31, 2008 10:12 AM EST

With Jerry Reinsdorf and director of player personnel Gar Forman taking a greater role in contract negotiations, Bulls GM John Paxson has been freed up to talk trades with other teams, according to a report by Mike Mcgraw of the Daily Herald.

According to the report, the Bulls have had discussions with Sacramento about center Brad Miller while guard Larry Hughes has been attracting some interest.

Some options, according to McGraw, include include Portland's Joe Przybilla, New York's Jared Jeffries, Dallas' Erick Dampier, or Denver's Kenyon Martin.

Via Daily Herald

 

[Kings Faithful]

I believe the general consensus of the Bulls fans is that Hughes is attracting attention from teams other than ours, and he isn't apart of the Kings deal in any way. Take that as you will.

 

[KCKingsCountry]

For the Bulls I would try this:

Brad Miller and Quincy Douby for Joakim Noah and Larry Hughes

I like Nochoni but we have almost have too much glut at SF with the addition of Greene to go along with Salmons and Garcia. I think Hughes behind Martin would be good, a nice backup in a spot that doesnt need to play. Somehow get Noah and this team is setting up really really good for the future.

 

[SacKings4Life21]

I would love that trade. actually like Hughes. He didn't do well with an isolation player like LBJ but I think he would do very well in our system. I would choose him starting over Salmons or Garcia

 

[BawLa]

I like that deal with Hughes. We can bury him behind Martin on the depth chart and hold onto that expiring for the big offseason. Keeping Miller accomplishes the same thing, but in that deal we get Noah moving forward.

If we did that deal then we would have Hughes($12+), Thomas($8+), Reef($6+) and Moore($6) coming off the books for that offseason. Obviously some of that money will go to salary increases and re-signing our young players, but we could throw huge money at a superstar or nab a couple stars to fill out team needs at that time.

How about this deal:

KINGS IN: Hughes/Nocioni/Noah

BULLS IN: Miller/Salmons/Williams/Douby

Works in trade machine.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=356~3224~2456~3000~556~1726~3040&teams=23~23~23~4~4~4~4&te=&cash=


Hinrich/Rose
Salmons/Douby
Deng/Sefolosha
Gooden/Thomas/Simmons/Williams
Miller/Gray


Udrih/BJax/Brown
Martin/Garcia/Hughes
Nocioni/Garcia/Greene
Thompson/Moore
Hawes/Noah

 

[Bricklayer]

OUT
Brad Miller

In
Joakim Noah
Drew Gooden

This deal works on Tradechecker and Trade Machine. Can we have like a PF garage sale or something LOL.

Under no circumnstances do you want to take back Gooden if you are us -- part of this deal is we are freeing up time for our frontline kids, remember?

We are after Noah. If its Hughes or Noc who comes back along with him I am reasonably indifferent on it. Like Noc better, but he's got a long deal. You probably trade him next year or something for more youth. Hughes has a shorter deal, but a bigger one. In fact so big you gain no advantage from moving Brad's salary. From the Bulls perspective maybe it makes some sense in that they are only giving up one big (Noah) to get another (Brad), and then the second part of the deal is la small for a small. But thing is I think part of the reason they want to move Noc in return for Brad is probably so that they can take Brad and Hughes and get a huge chunk off their cap in a couple of years. Swapping them kind of negates that.

 

[ParniValjak]

Under no circumnstances do you want to take back Gooden if you are us -- part of this deal is we are freeing up time for our frontline kids, remember?

We are after Noah. If its Hughes or Noc who comes back along with him I am reasonably indifferent on it. Like Noc better, but he's got a long deal. You probably trade him next year or something for more youth. Hughes has a shorter deal, but a bigger one. In fact so big you gain no advantage from moving Brad's salary. From the Bulls perspective maybe it makes some sense in that they are only giving up one big (Noah) to get another (Brad), and then the second part of the deal is la small for a small. But thing is I think part of the reason they want to move Noc in return for Brad is probably so that they can take Brad and Hughes and get a huge chunk off their cap in a couple of years. Swapping them kind of negates that.

The only question I have is how tradeable will Nocioni be in a year or 2. He is already 28 and with a reasonably big contract (though its frontloaded) but still, I would rather take a deal that expires in 2010 so it doesn't have a negative effect on our plans for that year.

 

[Bricklayer]

The only question I have is how tradeable will Nocioni be in a year or 2. He is already 28 and with a reasonably big contract (though its frontloaded) but still, I would rather take a deal that expires in 2010 so it doesn't have a negative effect on our plans for that year.

Noc is a player in this league that not a few teams would mind having. In a couple of years his deal is actually heading back down toward MLE level, and its actually a contract that would be a way for a team to shedsome salary --you trade a guy for Noc, the next year the guy's salary has gone up, Noc's has gone down, and you might have saved $1-$2 million in caproom. Only way I could see there being any problem in moving him would be in case of a major injury.

 

[upinsmoke]

Under no circumnstances do you want to take back Gooden if you are us -- part of this deal is we are freeing up time for our frontline kids, remember?

Gooden is expiring thats reason enough for me. If we Acquire Gooden along with Noah we can package Moore with Gooden to another team who is need of a front court.

 

[bajaden]

Such as?

Brad Miller was completely 100% unmoveable as recently as 9 months ago. You get a team willing to trade you a young big fresh out of the lottery for him, you dump him just like you did Mike or Ron and get this rebuild into full gear.

Nobody is trading you a star for him. And with Hawes and TYhompson in town he is exactly what we need as the third big. Plays PF. Plays C. Does the little things. And yes, a bencher, albeit a major minute bencher. And then you are set up front forever, or at least until everybody tops out and you decide you need an upgrade. But you add Noah to Hawes and Thompson, you have all the bigs you need for the next 10 years if they develop. 4th and 5th bigs can come and go. Be anybody. Not important. The key is that you've got your perfect starting C, starting PF, and combo PF/C off the bench balance, and they are all young guys coming up together.

Hard to argue with your logic. I'm not a big fan of Noah, but, I didn't like him as our starting center or PF of the future. As a backup to both those positions, I think he might be perfect. Unless Noah completely changes his shooting technic, he will never be a consistant shooter or freethrow shooter. Of course I thought the same thing about Martin at one time.

I honestly don't know what Chicago's interest is, or what there willing to give up, but if Noah is included in the package and we don't have to take back any dead meat contracts, I'm on board.

 

[bajaden]

Under no circumnstances do you want to take back Gooden if you are us -- part of this deal is we are freeing up time for our frontline kids, remember?

We are after Noah. If its Hughes or Noc who comes back along with him I am reasonably indifferent on it. Like Noc better, but he's got a long deal. You probably trade him next year or something for more youth. Hughes has a shorter deal, but a bigger one. In fact so big you gain no advantage from moving Brad's salary. From the Bulls perspective maybe it makes some sense in that they are only giving up one big (Noah) to get another (Brad), and then the second part of the deal is la small for a small. But thing is I think part of the reason they want to move Noc in return for Brad is probably so that they can take Brad and Hughes and get a huge chunk off their cap in a couple of years. Swapping them kind of negates that.

I think with Brad its a double win in their eye's. At the moment, they have no center, other than Noah, and Obviously, they don't want to start the season with him as their starting center. So with Brad they accomplish two things. They get someone with experience who can play the center position, and , in two years they get cap relief.

Another thing to keep your eye on, is the Gordon situation. It appears that both sides are far apart on how much he's worth. They may have to sign and trade him. I'm not saying to make him a part of our deal, but if they have to trade him, they either have to get a shooting guard in return or they'll have to hang on to Hughes. In any event, that situation could have some influence on other deals that their trying to make.

 

[Spike]

Gooden is expiring thats reason enough for me. If we Acquire Gooden along with Noah we can package Moore with Gooden to another team who is need of a front court.

Everyone keeps talking about picking up expiring contracts, but really, who do we have left besides the albatross and Miller? I don't think we need to worry too much more on this side, as it will all resolve itself by 2010.

That doesn't mean we should take on bigger contracts, but if you put Gooden on this team, I'm pretty sure he will start, or at least log significant minutes. It's not like he's bad enough to ride the pine.

 

[upinsmoke]

Me personally I dont want to rely on 2010. I want cap room next year because you never know what options might present themselfs. The players who become FA in 2010 for the most part are going to be older vets by the time that summer comes along.

Expiring contracts are very valueable now matter which way you look at it.