Brad to Chicago?

[=LarryLegend=]

Deng just signed a 71mil contract! does this help the kings or hurt us?

 

[Entity]

helps. they wanted to get Deng and Gordon locked up before making a move.

 

[Sac.1989]

Saving money for 2010 is foolish considering that most big time players get locked up by their original teams with extensions rather than leaving in FA, and when they do, it tends to be to big market teams or cities that the players view as attractive destinations. It is a very long shot that we would sign any big names, while you are basically advocating letting our talent and trade pieces leave for nothing save a pipe dream.

Nocioni is a good complementary piece who can do a little bit of everything- clutch scorer and good second or third option, solid defense, and great hustle. Watching the Bulls in the playoffs he struck me as a very good player, and if we trade Artest he would be a great stopgap at the 3, if not a starter, considering that he wouldn't need to carry the bulk of the scoring and would be a good second banana to Martin who should rightfully be the focus of the offense.

Noah is a solid player who would solidify our 3 man frontcourt for the next decade. He may not be great at any one thing, but he is good at a lot of things and would bring fantastic energy off the bench at the 4 or 5. It was mentioned earlier that he could bring a similar role as Pollard on the prime Webb/Divac Kings and I agree with that, he is a valuable asset.

I would be willing to trade Brad plus a second or lottery protected first for Nocioni and Noah, two players of very high caliber who are also team players, something we should be looking for in most of the assets we pick up, since this team looks like it will be built around Martin/Thompson/Hawes; we should be adding complementary players who can mesh with the talent we already have rather than trying to break the bank or holding out for one great player. There is a solid foundation of talent here already, these are two players who could really help to build on that.

As for the drugs and attitude...have people on this board forgotten that we would be trading away our own center who has already been suspended for the same drugs as Noah? Tit for tat, attitude on this trade is a wash, maybe it even favors Noah since Noah has shown more competitive drive and will to win in college than Brad has shown his whole career.

I agree with that, GP its in your hands now

 

[Section 101]

Saving money for 2010 is foolish considering that most big time players get locked up by their original teams with extensions rather than leaving in FA, and when they do, it tends to be to big market teams or cities that the players view as attractive destinations. It is a very long shot that we would sign any big names, while you are basically advocating letting our talent and trade pieces leave for nothing save a pipe dream.

Except both players and teams are getting ready for the 2010 off season. You won't be seeing players extending as much because they know it's their time to be a FA.

One thing to remember with the Kings, it's not only Sacramento but also put Vegas in there too with the Palms. Kings players get events there too.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Hmm... with Ron gone, I guess taking on Nocioni wouldn't be the end of the world, especially if we got Noah. I'd definitely do it if we got Noah, who I agree would be the near-ideal 3rd big man in a rotation with Hawes and Thompson.

 

[Heuge]

If this trade went down with Nocioni and Noah, I would be one of the first in line to praise Geoff.

 

[mac]

Would nos come off the bench or start

 

[Gary]

Not sure I like this.. I would rather wait and see who we have then add yet another young big. We already have Shelden/Thompson/Hawes. I assume Shelden isn't going to be here after this season, but if we were to take in Noah that would leave us with three lottery bigs. We know Hawes is going to turn into a decent NBA player, and if Thompson does that leaves a very vocal Noah coming off the bench.. BUT he does compliment Hawes better than Thompson so who knows. If we had too much young talent it would be too hard to evaluate them all.. At least as fans it would be hard...

 

[SacKings4Life21]

I thought the same thing. I dunno the answer. Beno and Martin seem the be the back court. IF this went down it woud likely mean Hawes is out starter and JT our PF, possibly miki just to spell the youngster for bench min, and then you'd think salmons at SF but I like Noc is better. I don't like Noc's contract when the fact is that we don't have a spot for him unless we were really trying to trade Salmons. It feels wrong to bring an 8 mil player off the bench.

 

[SacKings4Life21]

Guess I should change my Avatar now! Its been good ron... love ya

 

[BMiller52]

I thought the same thing. I dunno the answer. Beno and Martin seem the be the back court. IF this went down it woud likely mean Hawes is out starter and JT our PF, possibly miki just to spell the youngster for bench min, and then you'd think salmons at SF but I like Noc is better. I don't like Noc's contract when the fact is that we don't have a spot for him unless we were really trying to trade Salmons. It feels wrong to bring an 8 mil player off the bench.

Noc's contract decreases over time though, it's frontloaded. So it's not as bad as it looks.

 

[Sac.1989]

in regards to salmons, i think we will let him start and showcase to the League what he can do then trade him away for a decent piece and some picks

 

[Bricklayer]

in regards to salmons, i think we will let him start and showcase to the League what he can do then trade him away for a decent piece and some picks

That would be the ideal strategy. Whether it is the one we follow or not we will have to see.


As an aside, post Ron trade I am now looking at this potential Brad trade as maybe a watershed moment. If we were to pull it off too, there would be no more question that the rebuild was underway, and if we got Noah out of the deal as well, not only would it be underway, but we would have a full on young team looking to the future. Ron more or less forced us to move him -- we may have planned on bringing him back before he made that impossible. What is encouraging is the sort of package we eventually decided to take back. But if we move Brad..well now, that's a choice, a conscious decision to rebuild. So let's get it done and finally completely turn that corner.

 

[Aenadin]

bulls need a center that badly? i dont see any problem with trading Potheads

if you guys dont want Nocioni then

Noah
Hughes
Sefolosha

for

Douby
Brad
Salmons


well be getting a shorter but bigger contract with hughes so our line up would be

C: Hawes/moore
Pf:Noah/Thompson/Williams
SF:Garcia/Green
Sg: Martin/Sefolosha/Hughes
Pg: Udrih/Bjax/brown

while their lineup would be

C: Miller/Gray
Pf:Thomas/Gooden
SF: Deng/Nocioni
Sg:Salmons/Gordon/Douby
Pg:Rose/Hinrich

not bad too


well i know no one wants hughes but hes got a shorter contract than nocs if thats what you want

but i wouldnt mind getting him the reason he wasnt so good last year was bulls were focusing too much on building around Deng and others not this guy

 

[Kingster]

That would be the ideal strategy. Whether it is the one we follow or not we will have to see.


As an aside, post Ron trade I am now looking at this potential Brad trade as maybe a watershed moment. If we were to pull it off too, there would be no more question that the rebuild was underway, and if we got Noah out of the deal as well, not only would it be underway, but we would have a full on young team looking to the future. Ron more or less forced us to move him -- we may have planned on bringing him back before he made that impossible. What is encouraging is the sort of package we eventually decided to take back. But if we move Brad..well now, that's a choice, a conscious decision to rebuild. So let's get it done and finally completely turn that corner.

I really think something clicked with Petrie. He's no longer hoping/wishing that he can make the playoffs with the mediocre vet mix. The experiment of refurbishment has failed, and now after three years he's decided to go young - finally.

 

[bajaden]

Sure, there are plenty of good reasons to create cap space. I'm just making the point that there can be a balance, and there can be some valid reasons for giving up some of that future space when you can acquire something of value. What you end up getting with that of that space may or may not be more valuable than some of the opportunities you passed up by going for maximum possible cap space at all costs.

I wasn't disagreeing with your post. I was just trying to point out that there are a lot of reasons for having cap space. What you do with it are the defining decisions.

 

[bajaden]

I really think something clicked with Petrie. He's no longer hoping/wishing that he can make the playoffs with the mediocre vet mix. The experiment of refurbishment has failed, and now after three years he's decided to go young - finally.

I honestly don't think it was Petrie. I think it was the Maloof's. I know some of you have a low opinion of Petrie, but the man's not stupid. He knows talent, and he knows when we have it and when we don't. Do some of you really believe that we, as fans, can sit here on the outside looking in, and see things that he can't see on the inside.

Does he drive me nuts sometimes? Yes. He's methodical and careful, almost at times to a snails pace. Or at least thats the way it seems. But the man does know basketball. It amazes me sometimes how, when he does something, that we all agree is the right move, some of you will say he was forced into it, or, he lucked into it. But when he makes a bad move, he's fully responsible for it.

Its a dammed if you do and dammed if you don't situation. It does come with the job though. He's the buffer between ownership and the media, and is paid to take the heat. I just think that at times, he doesn't get the credit he deserves.

Hey, we can always hire Isiah.

 

[NME]

I like a Noah/Nocioni deal even more now after the Artest trade. Now that we know our presumed SF of the future is a few years away, Nocioni is not a bad placeholder. Also, if you’re going to be developing several very young and raw front line players, it’s a good thing to have a little veteran stability alongside, and Nocioni has a nice complimentary type of game with some dirty work thrown in that can help anchor that unproven group. Of course, moving Salmons on as well then becomes a priority.

 

[nbrans]

I like a Noah/Nocioni deal even more now after the Artest trade. Now that we know our presumed SF of the future is a few years away, Nocioni is not a bad placeholder. Also, if you’re going to be developing several very young and raw front line players, it’s a good thing to have a little veteran stability alongside, and Nocioni has a nice complimentary type of game with some dirty work thrown in that can help anchor that unproven group. Of course, moving Salmons on as well then becomes a priority.

I definitely agree that if a Miller for Noah/Nocioni deal is going to happen, moving Salmons is a priority -- essentially you'd ideally replace Salmons' deal with Nocioni's.

So with that in mind, something like:

Miller
Salmons
SAR

for

Nocioni
Noah
Larry Hughes
1st Round Pick

Hughes expires in '10, and you still have the essential Miller for Nocioni/Noah/1st intact.

 

[Vlade4GM]

I definitely agree that if a Miller for Noah/Nocioni deal is going to happen, moving Salmons is a priority -- essentially you'd ideally replace Salmons' deal with Nocioni's.

So with that in mind, something like:

Miller
Salmons
SAR

for

Nocioni
Noah
Larry Hughes
1st Round Pick

Hughes expires in '10, and you still have the essential Miller for Nocioni/Noah/1st intact.

Why would chicago want Salmons when the idea behind this move for Chicago is that they dump Nocioni's deal in time for the '10 free agent class?

 

[nbrans]

Why would chicago want Salmons when the idea behind this move for Chicago is that they dump Nocioni's deal in time for the '10 free agent class?

Salmons would actually be a good fit with their roster at SG if they want to be competitive. But if they're rebuilding for '10, yeah, probably not. I'm honestly not sure which direction they're headed (or at least think they're heading).

 

[Vlade4GM]

Salmons would actually be a good fit with their roster at SG if they want to be competitive. But if they're rebuilding for '10, yeah, probably not. I'm honestly not sure which direction they're headed (or at least think they're heading).

Well, the buzz is that they want to go strong after Wade when 2010 comes around. I don't know if this rumor is true, but it seems to me the idea behind it is that they can dump Noc's contract; I doubt they like Miller that much.

 

[Kingsguy881]

I'm not sure that's at all correct. Having played Virtual GM for several years on Yahoo, I'm almost positive Garnett was listed as a small forward. Unfortunately, I cannot go back and double-check.

It is correct. KG might have been listed as "the starting SF for the tpups" but his position as designated in media guides was "F" because he swung between the two positions. Nobody is listed in media guides by SF/SG/PF designations unless that is the only position they play which is rarely the case(FC, GF, F, G). For instance, Paul Pierce has always been a "GF" as he plays both guard and forward. Allen Iverson is listed as "G" because he plays both positions. He might have been the "starting PG for the Sixers", but he was listed as "G" because he wasn't a true pg or a true sg, he was/is a tweener.

 

[SacKings4Life21]

I thought Noc's contract was front loaded but wasn't sure. In that case, he is a great player that I would like to have. He is one of the most tenecious players I have ever seen. I agree that we should showcase John and get someone to bite on his contract. I would love to be 25 mil under in 2010 when the mega summer comes.

 

[Kingster]

I honestly don't think it was Petrie. I think it was the Maloof's. I know some of you have a low opinion of Petrie, but the man's not stupid. He knows talent, and he knows when we have it and when we don't. Do some of you really believe that we, as fans, can sit here on the outside looking in, and see things that he can't see on the inside.

Does he drive me nuts sometimes? Yes. He's methodical and careful, almost at times to a snails pace. Or at least thats the way it seems. But the man does know basketball. It amazes me sometimes how, when he does something, that we all agree is the right move, some of you will say he was forced into it, or, he lucked into it. But when he makes a bad move, he's fully responsible for it.

Its a dammed if you do and dammed if you don't situation. It does come with the job though. He's the buffer between ownership and the media, and is paid to take the heat. I just think that at times, he doesn't get the credit he deserves.

Hey, we can always hire Isiah.

I see it very differently, where the perception is that Petrie makes the good moves, but the Maloofs make him make the bad moves. I don't know that I believe in that world. They all have to take responsibility, for the good times and the bad. Right now, I'm happy to praise "management" for making a good move. And I do believe that something shifted in management during this offseason to come up with a different strategy.

 

[Heuge]

I see it very differently, where the perception is that Petrie makes the good moves, but the Maloofs make him make the bad moves. I don't know that I believe in that world. They all have to take responsibility, for the good times and the bad. Right now, I'm happy to praise "management" for making a good move. And I do believe that something shifted in management during this offseason to come up with a different strategy.

I agree with this. There is no reason to pin any of Petrie's failure on te Maloofs or viseversa for that matter.

 

[mbkings10]

Would you guys do the trade if they put in Tyrus Thomas instead of Noah. So TT and Noc for Brad?

 

[Kings Faithful]

Would you guys do the trade if they put in Tyrus Thomas instead of Noah. So TT and Noc for Brad?

I wish....we'd have to throw in a 1st and maby another quality player.

 

[AriesMar27]

I wish....we'd have to throw in a 1st and maby another quality player.

we could include the rockets 09 1st and douby.... id be down...

 

[Kings Faithful]

we could include the rockets 09 1st and douby.... id be down...

Me to, but idk. Id love Tyrus on the team, we could use his athleticism but i think the Bulls are pretty high on him.