Brad Number 5 Center in NBA?

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Article ranking NBA's top centers.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/4870666

5. Brad Miller, Sacramento Kings

Ht./Wt.: 7-0, 260
Numbers: 15.6 pts., 9.3 reb, 1.21 blk. As far as talent goes, he's right there with all of them. Sort of a latter day Bill Laimbeer without the fangs, he can shoot, pass and rebound extremely well. The liability — and it's a big one — is he can't seem to make it through any season without breaking down. It's always late in the year and it's why the Pacers let him go for the big bucks without a fight.
 
Lirica said:
Article ranking NBA's top centers.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/4870666

5. Brad Miller, Sacramento Kings

Ht./Wt.: 7-0, 260
Numbers: 15.6 pts., 9.3 reb, 1.21 blk. As far as talent goes, he's right there with all of them. Sort of a latter day Bill Laimbeer without the fangs, he can shoot, pass and rebound extremely well. The liability — and it's a big one — is he can't seem to make it through any season without breaking down. It's always late in the year and it's why the Pacers let him go for the big bucks without a fight.


So really, Brad is the 3rd best Center in the league because Amare and Ben Wallace aren't really centers.
 
Just so there's a basis for discussion, here are the top ten, as selected by writer Mike Kahn:

1. Shaquille O'Neal, Miami Heat
Ht./Wt.: 7-1, 325 Numbers: 22.9 pts., 10.4 reb., 2.3 blk.
There is no one like him in all of basketball, even at less than 100 percent. His size, strength, agility and strength are unparalleled today, and only Wilt Chamberlain is comparable in league history.

2. Yao Ming, Houston Rockets
Ht./Wt.: 7-5, 295 Numbers: 18.3 pts., 8.4 reb., 2.0 blk.
People expect too much from him, but his somewhat placid veneer makes him a finesse player. And how many other 7-5, 295-pounders are there to match up with him? None. So it really does make him a special player and he makes the Rockets always dangerous.

3. Amare Stoudemire, Phoenix Suns
Ht./Wt.: 6-10, 250 Numbers: 26.0 pts., 8.9 reb., 1.63 blk.
His extraordinary playoff performance catapulted him into the land of superstardom. Can he stay there? That's what we don't know. He improved so much, and is so quick, what he lacks in bulk and overall strength, he makes up for in quickness and explosiveness.

4. Ben Wallace, Detroit Pistons
Ht./Wt.: 6-9, 240 Numbers: 9.7 pts., 12.2 reb., 2.38 blk.
He is just as unique as Shaq or Yao or Amare, if only because he is so undersized and yet takes over games with sheer will and energy and a general focus of grabbing every rebound, attempting to block every shot or steal every pass. Even his shooting improved last season because he worked so hard on it.

5. Brad Miller, Sacramento Kings
Ht./Wt.: 7-0, 260 Numbers: 15.6 pts., 9.3 reb, 1.21 blk.
As far as talent goes, he's right there with all of them. Sort of a latter day Bill Laimbeer without the fangs, he can shoot, pass and rebound extremely well. The liability — and it's a big one — is he can't seem to make it through any season without breaking down. It's always late in the year and it's why the Pacers let him go for the big bucks without a fight.

6. Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Cleveland Cavaliers
Ht./Wt.: 7-3, 260 Numbers: 16.9 pts., 8.6 reb., 2.12 blk.
Z has amazing hands and touch, making him always dangerous offensively and a good alternative in the offense to LeBron James. But his lack of mobility causes him to be erratic on the boards and defensively in the interior, and that has an adverse effect on the entire defense. Nonetheless, his offensive skills make him an All-Star.

7. Marcus Camby, Denver Nuggets
Ht./Wt. 6-11, 230 Numbers: 10.3 pts., 10.0 reb., 3.02 blk.
Perhaps the most underrated center in the game, what Camby lacks in strength and touch, he compensates for with energy. Carmelo Anthony is the future star, and others make contributions inside and outside. But Camby is the one who keeps the Nuggets whole with his defense, rebounding and ability to run on the break.

8. Jamaal Magloire, New Orleans Hornets
Ht./Wt.: 6-11, 260 Numbers: 11.7 pts., 8.9 reb., 1.0 blk.
He played in only 23 games last season due to a torn ligament in his hand, and then shortly after he returned in April, he missed eight more games with back spasms. It was a mess, as was the team. But he's a tough and improving interior player which is why there are always rumors about him being traded him

9. Samuel Dalembert, Philadelphia 76ers
Ht./Wt.: 6-11, 250 Numbers: 8.2 pts., 7.5 reb., 1.68 blk.
The 11.6 points, 12.8 rebounds and 1.4 blocks a game he averaged against the Pistons in the five playoff games last season earned him a $64 million contract. Is he worth it or will he always be an unfinished project? It's a rather expensive question, but the good news is he has a great attitude and work ethic, which should translate to him consistently improving.

10. Tyson Chandler, Chicago Bulls
Ht./Wt.: 7-1, 240 Numbers: 8.0 pts., 9.7 reb., 1.76 blk.
The less-refined talent of the twin towers that included Eddy Curry, Chandler has brought energy and unfailing work habits to be a great impact player off the bench on the defensive end. Because of the way he attacks the game, most expect the offense to come as time goes on. The real concern is what happens to Curry, with his undetermined heart issue, free agency status and weight problem. What we do know is it will only translate into more time for Chandler.

Others receiving consideration: Eddy Curry, Chicago Bulls; Erick Dampier, Dallas Mavericks; Primoz Brezec, Charlotte Bobcats; Nenad Krstic, New Jersey Nets; Nazr Mohammed, San Antonio Spurs; Lorenzen Wright, Memphis Grizzlies; Chris Kamen, Los Angeles Clippers; Joel Przybilla, Portland Trail Blazers; Chris Mihm, Los Angeles Lakers.
 
Somebody check his pipe!!!

If he thinks Yao is the #2 Center in the NBA, I think he's been smoking his lunch with the Blazers!!!:rolleyes:
 
According to Kahn 3 of our starting five are amongst the Top 10 at their positions, right up there with Spurs, Suns, Nuggets, 76ers :eek: , Nets and Pistons (who had 4 of 5) as far as Top 10 representation goes. That's at least a little exciting. However, if you think the Centers list is whack, check out some of Kahn's other ones... At least he hedges some of his comments, doesn't bite off too mch more than he can chew.

He must have seen a few Kings games though otherwise there is no way Joel Wiltzilla gets consideration. Further evidence that we have made his career!
 
Its not a terrible list given what he has to work with -- Big Ben should be #2 just on impact, Amare will be back to his natural PF spot now, Yao at #3, maybe give Bogut some consideration sight unseen. But man, its still hard to fathom how far the center position has fallen in the NBA in the last decade. Just going back 10 years, if you made this same list heading into the 95-96 season that list might look like:

1) Hakeem Olajuwon 27.8pts 10.8reb 3.36blk
2) David Robinson 27.6pts 10.8reb 3.24blk
3) Shaquille O'Neal 29.3pts 11.4reb 2.43blk
4) Patrick Ewing 23.9pts 11.0rebs 2.01blk
5) Alonzo Mourning 21.3pts 9.9reb 2.92blk
6) Brad Daugherty (injured, career 19.0pts 9.5reb 0.72blk)
7) Dikembe Mutumbo 11.5pts 12.5reb 3.96blk
8) Rik Smits 17.9pts 7.7reb 1.00blk
9) Vlade Divac 16.0pts 10.4reb 2.18blk
10) Arvydas Sabonis (rookie, 15pts 10reb 1.5blk projected)

Now we instead get Jamaal Magliore and Samuel Dalembert :p , and the list of "also considered" says about everything you want ot know about the center position in the NBA right now.
 
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Bricklayer said:
Its not a terrible list given what he has to work with -- Big Ben should be #2 just on impact, Amare will be back to his natural PF spot now, Yao at #3, maybe give Bogut some consideration sight unseen. But man, its still hard to fathom how far the center position has fallen in the NBA in the last decade. Just going back 10 years, if you made this same list heading into the 95-96 season that list might look like:

1) Hakeem Olajuwon 27.8pts 10.8reb 3.36blk
2) David Robinson 27.6pts 10.8reb 3.24blk
3) Shaquille O'Neal 29.3pts 11.4reb 2.43blk
4) Patrick Ewing 23.9pts 11.0rebs 2.01blk
5) Alonzo Mourning 21.3pts 9.9reb 2.92blk
6) Brad Daugherty (injured, career 19.0pts 9.5reb 0.72blk)
7) Dikembe Mutumbo 11.5pts 12.5reb 3.96blk
8) Rik Smits 17.9pts 7.7reb 1.00blk
9) Vlade Divac 16.0pts 10.4reb 2.18blk
10) Arvydas Sabonis (rookie, 15pts 10reb 1.5blk projected)

Now we instead get Jamaal Magliore and Samuel Dalembert :p , and the list of "also considered" says about everything you want ot know about the center position in the NBA right now.
As an "objective" Vlade fan I would put him ahead of Brad Daugherty and Rik Smits and maybe even Mutombo.
 
outsider62 said:
As an "objective" Vlade fan I would put him ahead of Brad Daugherty and Rik Smits and maybe even Mutombo.

Smits maybe -- it was Vlade's career year. But Daugherty was a perennial 20-10 All-Star leading one of the best teams in the league until injuries felled him, and a damn fine passer in his own regard (actually what he was known for). And Deke was the annual DPOY.

But the mere fact there was enough depth and qualifications to have that discussion says loads.

Kind of funny how there are some real similarities among the lesser centers on that list to today's list though:

1) Big Ben is kind of like an undersized Deke with a splash of Zo's passion, (Camby, Dalembert and Chandler are all also Dekelike statistically)
2) There is a giant injury prone Lithuanian with mobility issues on both lists
3) Yao is often compared to Smits, although a better rebounder and shotblocker
4) Brad is kind of a poor man's Brad (Miller/Daugherty), but without the post game.
5) Shaq today is a very poor man's version of himself 10 years ago. Easy to forget how ridiculously dominant he was.
 
The depressing thingaboutlooking at the list is it makes playing Brian Skinner at Center seem like a reasonable idea... Of course I would rather the Kings NOT lower their play to the rest of league...
 
Bricklayer said:
Its not a terrible list given what he has to work with -- Big Ben should be #2 just on impact, Amare will be back to his natural PF spot now, Yao at #3, maybe give Bogut some consideration sight unseen. But man, its still hard to fathom how far the center position has fallen in the NBA in the last decade. Just going back 10 years, if you made this same list heading into the 95-96 season that list might look like:

1) Hakeem Olajuwon 27.8pts 10.8reb 3.36blk
2) David Robinson 27.6pts 10.8reb 3.24blk
3) Shaquille O'Neal 29.3pts 11.4reb 2.43blk
4) Patrick Ewing 23.9pts 11.0rebs 2.01blk
5) Alonzo Mourning 21.3pts 9.9reb 2.92blk
6) Brad Daugherty (injured, career 19.0pts 9.5reb 0.72blk)
7) Dikembe Mutumbo 11.5pts 12.5reb 3.96blk
8) Rik Smits 17.9pts 7.7reb 1.00blk
9) Vlade Divac 16.0pts 10.4reb 2.18blk
10) Arvydas Sabonis (rookie, 15pts 10reb 1.5blk projected)

Now we instead get Jamaal Magliore and Samuel Dalembert :p , and the list of "also considered" says about everything you want ot know about the center position in the NBA right now.

With the rules of todays games, it almost seems like they are doing everything they can to take the game out of the centers hands. Since they want high scoring, up and down games it makes sense.
 
What's striking about Brick's mid 90's list, besides the names, is the points those guys put up. I've taken for granted that nowadays when someone mentions a "20 and 10 guy" that they are always referring to a power forward. Sabonis at #10 back then is probably #3 or #4 on today's list.
 
I have a hard time with Yao ahead of Brad - IIRC Brad always seems to outplay him when the teams meet.
 
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1) Hakeem Olajuwon 27.8pts 10.8reb 3.36blk
2) David Robinson 27.6pts 10.8reb 3.24blk
3) Shaquille O'Neal 29.3pts 11.4reb 2.43blk
4) Patrick Ewing 23.9pts 11.0rebs 2.01blk
5) Alonzo Mourning 21.3pts 9.9reb 2.92blk
6) Brad Daugherty (injured, career 19.0pts 9.5reb 0.72blk)
7) Dikembe Mutumbo 11.5pts 12.5reb 3.96blk
8) Rik Smits 17.9pts 7.7reb 1.00blk
9) Vlade Divac 16.0pts 10.4reb 2.18blk
10) Arvydas Sabonis (rookie, 15pts 10reb 1.5blk projected)

Now we instead get Jamaal Magliore and Samuel Dalembert :p , and the list of "also considered" says about everything you want ot know about the center position in the NBA right now.[/QUOTE]


this is realy strong front line .not like today with Dalembert and Ilgauskaswith Wallace in top ten .ten years ago they would be ten of the botom
 
Seems about right. I would take Yao over Brad in a flash. Forget talent and potential, I would take him simply for his size. Brad is great for our system though, however Yao would be pretty good as well, he is an underated passer.
 
It has taken people a while to truly appreciate Ben Wallace. For a long time, the casual fan considered him one dimensional or a "role player." Finally, now he is getting his props. I would love to have him on the Kings. Especially with the hair!

But I love Brad too.
 
Coach said:
It has taken people a while to truly appreciate Ben Wallace. For a long time, the casual fan considered him one dimensional or a "role player." Finally, now he is getting his props. I would love to have him on the Kings. Especially with the hair!

But I love Brad too.

Well, Ben's still a one-dimensional role player, but he plays that role so well that he has an impact on the game like a Rodman (maybe not quite) or Deke (maybe more). Once upon a time you would have patted him on his fro and said "that's cute" while sliding him into the bottom half of your top 10 center list. Today however? There's exactly one dominant center, and he's aging fast. And that great roleplayer has more impact than any of the good but not great pretenders who fill out the rest of the center ranks.
 
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Personally I thought Brads ranking was right on...sure he could of been moved down a slot to fourth if Amare wasn't included...but whatever...he's among the top 5 centers in the NBA
 
there really aren't enough good centers to go around.
we're just lucky to have brad!
watchin' him play was nice to see after webber got injured
any connection w/ playing in the forward position?
 
in last year playoff, it seemed Josh Howard outplayed Yao sometimes when Maveric went small.

also, I prefer to put Duncan and Garnett on the 60% -center postion
 
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GreenKing said:
...Might as well get your news fix from the National Enquirer.

I prefer Weekly World News. The articles are better and where else can you get pictures of President Bill Clinton walking arm-in-arm with an extraterrestrial in the Rose Garden at the White House?
;)
 
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