Bonzi Wells Prediction Game
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LPKingsFan
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Do we have some sort of trade exception?
BobbyJ_for3!
Bench
KingKong said:
i very much disagree...i think brad has been the one who has shown the least weakness in basketball. the only reason why people have come to find problems in his game is because of the bad d (mostly in the backcourt) we have had when he has been here. while it is obviously desirable for him to block more shots and overcome that problem, i think bibby and peja have more glowing weaknesses. bibby with d, peja with consistency and pressure. while i am not taking time to diss them, or saying i want to let them go, im just saying i truely believe that brad will NOT be the one to go (altho since its GP, who knows)
so in this case, i do also think one of the big three is being semi-shopped/asked about and im sure GP is going in depth with each trade option.
LPKingsFan
All-Star
whozit said:
Hmm, interesting. And BTW, I'm pretty sure those salaries on the first post are for last year, not this season. I think I've seen Bonzi's salary at hoopshype more around $8 million for next year.
jay dubb
G-League
piksi said:
Bibby is worth every penny that he makes. He has been the kings most consistent player since he's been here so I think he deserves more respect than that. Through all the injuries and everything else that has gone on, bibby has been there still winning games for us, so I think that quote is total bull.
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thesanityannex
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The least weakness??? Do we watch the same brad miller on t.v.??? His defense is not just bad, its awful. I'm getting nautious just thinking about it. Everyone here wants a better defensive team, how about starting with a center who can control his lane. So what if Bibby can't gaurd his man one on one, there should be help for him in the lane, but is there, no. Miller's own weaknesses help bibby's glow.BobbyJ_for3! said:
Padrino
All-Star
thesanityannex said:
the simple fact of the matter is this: the kings are never going to be a "defensive oriented team" while geoff petrie is around. and thats fine with me. not every guy needs to be an excellent defender. but help defense is, as you say, very important. the reason we were so horrible defensively last season was because our starting frontcourt was incredibly slow and lacking in lateral movement completely. webb was on a bum leg, and could hardly run up and down the court. and brad is just a slow white guy--though one with great offensive skills for a big man, though the post game is lacking. and again, thats fine. ya think divac was a great defender in his time with the kings, huffing and puffing up and down the court? not a great rebounder, either. remember the last-second tap-out to horry? i dont even need to go there. and i'm not slamming vlade. i love the man. he brought so much to this team. but back then, webber wasnt on a bum leg, and he could supplement vlade's defensive weaknesses to a degree. that said, ya can keep brad miller as long as our starting power forward has some defensive capabilities. or vice versa. kenny thomas can start at power forward for the kings if we get a starting center who's got decent footspeed, and can clog the lanes, block a coupla shots, and pull down some rebounds, as well as rotate decently on defense. its a matter of finding a balance. the kings dont need to be a great defensive team. because they can outscore most teams in the nba, they just need to be solid defensively. the '01-'02 kings were solid defensively, and they nearly got into position to win the whole thing, but they ran into a great lakers squad with two future hall-of-famers. if the kings can put together a solid defesnsive team, then they've got a shot of getting back into contention in the next few years. but the time to act is now, cuz bibby, peja, and miller arent getting younger. in a coupla years, the kings may have another window of opportunity. who knows...
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BobbyJ_for3!
Bench
thesanityannex said:
yeah, like i siad(i htink), miller is deff not GOOD at d...but having a backcourt that lets guys run right by like theres no tomorrow makes him look bad. if he didnt have all kinds of pressure coming at him, he wouldnt be nearly as bad, imo
also, i agree, i htink miller should be a PF, not a C....get a defensive C...its too bad skinner isnt 3 inches taller
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
hurley said:
Somehow I don't think that quite works out, either contracturally, or from the Jerry West has not had a lobtomy angle.
As an aside, seems like half the Grizzlies' roster may be available, so it does seem that any deal with them couold could get big in a hurry. I think they like Miller (an inexplicable West favorite) and Battier. Other than that?
piksi
Hall of Famer
jay dubb said:
He was also there losing games especially in the PO last season because he could not stop his man to save his life. He gets respect for his offensive game and his performances in the late game situations. He does not get credit for his defende because he has never heard of it. He is not the most consistant player since he has been here. Not even close. Also Webber is not here anymore and Webber was a big part of Bibby's game - so I think that Your quote is bull squared
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
If the Grizz want players back, I would rather not give up these players but...
Bobby Jackson and Brian Skinner for Bonzi Wells.
Picks will most likely be involved as well.
Bobby Jackson and Brian Skinner for Bonzi Wells.
Picks will most likely be involved as well.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
SacTownKid said:
Bobby easily makes the most sense of our guys, but I would really hate to lose Skinner in the deal unless there was NO other choice. Just make an already bad situation up front for us even worse.
But then again, might not be any other choice. Wonder if Darius in a sign and trade would work as the missing ingredient here? With Swift leaving, a new backup for Pau?
ForlornKing
Starter
I say some way we try to find a way to get Shane Battier with Bonzi.
Diabeticwonder
Bench
Kenny Thomas and Kevin Martin for Bonzi. This move frees up a lot of money for next offseason to give someone a max deal if Bonzi doesn't work out. Cisco iIMO is a better "project" than Martin because he is so much more versatile than Martin is.
Bad Boy Bo
Bench
I wouldn't mind getting Williams back in the deal. Doestn't matter who goes to me if that happens. 
Seriously though, I like Well's intensity. I think he'll bring the Kings up a tempo to the type of basketball we are familiar with. It might not helps our wins significantly, but if we can push hard, play hard, and act like we want to win, I'm all game.
Seriously though, I like Well's intensity. I think he'll bring the Kings up a tempo to the type of basketball we are familiar with. It might not helps our wins significantly, but if we can push hard, play hard, and act like we want to win, I'm all game.
captain bill
All-Star
Prediction:
Corliss Williamson, future 1st round pick and $695,046 trade exception (which we have according to realgm) for Bonzi Wells.
Can't use trade checker, but if the salaries posted in this thread are correct, we give out $6,695,046 and take in $7,500,000, which is within 115%. Of course, if Bonzi gets a pay raise, this trade could still work as we have up to one million dollars more in exceptions. Memphis does this to prevent Bonzi from walking, gets a serviceable player in return (who's contract has only a year left), a little cap relief, and the pick. I don't know if Memphis would do it though- they can let Bonzi walk and get more relief, Corliss probably isn't any better than anything they could get in free agency, and the pick would, presumably, not be that high so as to make Memphis really get any sort of security from having it.
Corliss Williamson, future 1st round pick and $695,046 trade exception (which we have according to realgm) for Bonzi Wells.
Can't use trade checker, but if the salaries posted in this thread are correct, we give out $6,695,046 and take in $7,500,000, which is within 115%. Of course, if Bonzi gets a pay raise, this trade could still work as we have up to one million dollars more in exceptions. Memphis does this to prevent Bonzi from walking, gets a serviceable player in return (who's contract has only a year left), a little cap relief, and the pick. I don't know if Memphis would do it though- they can let Bonzi walk and get more relief, Corliss probably isn't any better than anything they could get in free agency, and the pick would, presumably, not be that high so as to make Memphis really get any sort of security from having it.
captain bill
All-Star
Bad Boy Bo said:I wouldn't mind getting Williams back in the deal. Doestn't matter who goes to me if that happens.
Seriously though, I like Well's intensity. I think he'll bring the Kings up a tempo to the type of basketball we are familiar with. It might not helps our wins significantly, but if we can push hard, play hard, and act like we want to win, I'm all game.
Why would we trade away our talent for a starting-caliber point guard to sit on the bench? If we are pursuing starters, let's get them at positions where we need starters. Nostalgia only goes so far.
Just like with Eddie Griffin, why not? Especially if you can move either Corliss, or preferably Thomas, in the deal. If Wells pans out we have another perennial All-Star caliber player at the 2/3. If not, he walks in a year, and maybe we get some cap space. Alot of guys have resurrected their careers in Sacramento though, and I think Bonzi could very well be the next.
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thesanityannex
Guest
choo-choo, next stop bonzi train
arriving in sactown 7-29-05
arriving in sactown 7-29-05
kingsofnba
G-League
Bobby, Skinner, Otag for Wells and Wright
how about bobby jackson, brian skinner and otag for bonzi wells and lorenzo wright.... the kings get a starting shooting guard (wells) and starting power forward (Wright)... the griz gets rid of wells contract, and wright was demanding a trade after memphis did not extend his contract... the grizz gets a veteran point guard to potentially start (bobby) and potential starters( or valuable big man reserves) in skinner and otag...
kings line up:
PF Wright/ Thomas
SF Peja / Corliss / FA (Barnes?)
C Miller / FA (Steven Hunter? or Dale Davis?)
SG Wells/ Martin/ Garcia
PG Bibby / House
how about bobby jackson, brian skinner and otag for bonzi wells and lorenzo wright.... the kings get a starting shooting guard (wells) and starting power forward (Wright)... the griz gets rid of wells contract, and wright was demanding a trade after memphis did not extend his contract... the grizz gets a veteran point guard to potentially start (bobby) and potential starters( or valuable big man reserves) in skinner and otag...
kings line up:
PF Wright/ Thomas
SF Peja / Corliss / FA (Barnes?)
C Miller / FA (Steven Hunter? or Dale Davis?)
SG Wells/ Martin/ Garcia
PG Bibby / House
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Diabeticwonder said:
Martin could become a quality player that has possibilities to be able to be dominant in this league offensively. I would love Bonzi to come to Sac, have in fact wanted that for a long time, but not at the expense of Kevin Martin. He goes nowhere.
captain bill
All-Star
kingsofnba said:
Trade works with salaries, but I think Wright is way overpaid and we get much better for him. Also doesn't make much sense for Memphis- Skinner and Ostertag are not starters, I can't imagine giving up Wright for them.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
captain bill said:
I think both Bonzi and Wright are expiring deals right???
Besides the fact that they could certainly help, it also puts us in a good bail out situation with the possibility of being a major player in free agency next year. Between Bibby/Miller/etc. we should be a well under the cap. I also assume that we would have the option to make Peja a restricted FA? So we could go out, use the cap and still be able to sign Peja? May enter the lux. tax but...
If we had to we could also move Bibby/Miller for some expiring deals and be that much farther under the cap.
Hmmm...
Some possible FA's come next season that are worthy of note. May not be when it comes time but as of right now they could be free agents, of course some will most likely be extended.
Shaq, Ben Wallace, Nene, Tayshaun Prince, Amare, Yao...
ForlornKing
Starter
My Dream Linup
Bibby/Jaric
Wells/Martin/Francisco
Peja/Battier
SAR/Eddie Griffen
Miller/Hunter
Unrealistic we sign all those players but I like it.
Starting Line Up is a still soft, minus Wells, but a great defensive bench.
Bibby/Jaric
Wells/Martin/Francisco
Peja/Battier
SAR/Eddie Griffen
Miller/Hunter
Unrealistic we sign all those players but I like it.
Starting Line Up is a still soft, minus Wells, but a great defensive bench.
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ParniValjak
All-Star
Bonzi Wells for Bobby Jackson and Brian Skinner.
