Bonzi Fires His Agent; What Now? (MERGED)

[Kings113]

I doubt were "dumping" KT any time soon, Hart? Possible.

 

[Padrino]

whether we want to dump KT or not, we'd need more depth in the front line before it was a viable option. if you bring back bonzi, and lose KT, its a near wash in rebounding potential. not that it even makes sense to "dump" KT and hart to bring back bonzi, anyways...

 

[SacTownKid]

Watson + Fisher + Daniels are all part time starter types who will notch 20+min a season (actually as was Salmons last year). But behind a major established star PG who never gets hurt like Bibby, you are talking 10-12 min or so of PG work for Salmons. Hence ignoring the subpar body of work in his career, the simple situation makes the $$ excessive.

In any case, worth it if talent falls back into your lap.

As I said, you are also paying for a backup SG and SF as well. That is why teams were interested in him - his versatility.

 

[Bricklayer]

As I said, you are also paying for a backup SG and SF as well. That is why teams were interested in him - his versatility.

Given that this entire discussion is about what would happen if Bonzi returned, Salmons wouldn't be getting many if any SF/SG minutes behind Bonzi, Ron and Kevin (not to mention Cisco). Hence an immensely overpaid backup PG.


If Bonzi does not return, whether he is immensely overpaid anyway will depend almost entirely on whether he is the same player that he has been so far in this league -- a lazy, inconsistent softie with a shaky jumper who pouts when he can't dominate the ball and only plays when he feels like it, struggles to shoot 40%, and averages 5ppg in his career, or whether he decides to play. But that was NOT this discussion.

 

[venom_7]

I dont see why Golden State doesn't pick him up for the short term. A perimeter of BD, Jrich, and Bonzi is murder.

 

[Packt]

I dont see why Golden State doesn't pick him up for the short term. A perimeter of BD, Jrich, and Bonzi is murder.

Because Bonzi might choke Nelly while Nelly's throwing his usual tantrums.

 

[Bricklayer]

I dont see why Golden State doesn't pick him up for the short term. A perimeter of BD, Jrich, and Bonzi is murder.

LOT fo teams could/should pick him up for the short term -- add Bonzi to just about any quality backcourt rotation and it instantly becomes potent. But its a question of whether Bonzi wants to go short term or not, and who has cap space.

 

[ovrush]

Thats interesting. So you are telling me that you have league pass. which i do. And that given all the games on every night you choose to watch the 76ers? I watched about 3 last year just to see Webber a bit. In those 3 games Salmons was a better player than Jim Jackson, Bobby Jackson, Scot Pollard, Hedo Turkaglu, Keon Clark, and Kenny Thomas. All of which have made similar money in the past with the Kings. Also at least half of those players listed were coveted by Kings Fans here and abroad. John is no scrub by no means and we could very well average 12 points off the bench with us. you mentioned how well he did with AI out. Now think of this how many plays during all those 76er games you watched did the ball not go to Webber or AI and never go to anybody else in that possesion and if it did it was just left overs because they didn't have a shot or the clock was running down.

I never watched Salmons play last year, I'm just not impressed by his numbers, and I DID watch Bonzi play, and I'm skeptical to think there are many 2 guards in the league that can bring what Bonzi brings.

My question about the point you make here is was he better than BJax when he was making the same amount of $ as 6th man of the year? Or more money that Pollard before his back injury when he was a tremendous defensive precense off the bench? Or are you simply saying he's better than those guys last year who were shells of their former selves? Also, we never paid JJax what we're paying Salmons, we picked him up mid year for the vet min, he played great and left the next year. Hedo played for us under a rookie contract so we never paid him that much, Keon Clark was a 1 year deal on a guy widely regarded as one of the better shot blockers in the league at the time, not a 5 year deal. Kenny Thomas is a terrible contract we never sought after.. but that opens up the trade and a whole nother can of worms.

Liking Salmons is great, perhaps he'll surprise people, he's certainly not a scrub. Let's not use faulty logic to argue this point though pls. The fact is he's a guy with limited pedigree who we paid a pretty large amount of money too. Now I personnally think its a bad signing, but I can't think of an instance where Geoff went out and spent money on a guy for a long term contract that didn't pan out. So I'll be an optimist here and say I hope Salmons becoms the backup point guard we've been missing and We dip into the tax like we said we would if a special circumstance arose this off season to pick up the best remaining free agent on the market. Whether or not Bonzi's agent was an idiot, if he wants to come back fairly cheap its time to put bruised egos aside and take advantage of a great opportunity to get a good player for cheap.

 

[Packt]

Keon was a two-year contract, the second being a player-option. He exercised it, we traded him. Oddly enough, we were only able to sign him because the Raptors took their qualifying off the table. Geoff seems to be good at that, watching deals break down and then swooping in.

 

[Mista 808]

martin isnt the same type of player bonzi but he does things bonzi arent good at; quickness, 3pt, FT. Salmon is here because of his versatility and he fill our needs at PG,SG, and SF---not because they think he can replace Bonzi's talent.

not to mention K.MART doesn't turn over the ball as much as Bonzi. That was the ONE solo thing I hated about Bonzi is how he'd throw the ball from baseline to baseline all the time often getting the ball picked off and ran back for an easy fast break on us... I won't miss that

 

[Sac.Kings]

not to mention K.MART doesn't turn over the ball as much as Bonzi. That was the ONE solo thing I hated about Bonzi is how he'd throw the ball from baseline to baseline all the time often getting the ball picked off and ran back for an easy fast break on us... I won't miss that

Agreed

 

[kingsfan101]

The fact is he's a guy with limited pedigree who we paid a pretty large amount of money too. Now I personnally think its a bad signing, but I can't think of an instance where Geoff went out and spent money on a guy for a long term contract that didn't pan out.

Normally, true. However, in this case, I am not sure Petrie had much choice. Salmons had a similar offer from Toronto, and GP had to match that. Once he felt that Bonzi deal was off the table, he had to do something. We are fairly deep at the 1-3 position, but most of the talent is unproven. Bibby and Artest are the only proven performers. Martin has played great and is very promising, but has to do it over a longer period to be counted with Bibby and Artest. Others are either over the hill (Corliss), or not very productive (Hart), or far too young (Cisco, QD, Price). Moreover, there is a reasonable chance that Bibby might need to be traded by the deadline. Not replacing Bonzi would have meant relying on a very young and unproven backcourt.

 

[reyes13]

Work out something with Bonzi

I know this subject keeps being brought up. Is there any way to get these two sides doing business again? Bonzi's agent is gone, and now he's ready and maybe willing to come back. I think the perfect role for Bonzi would be coming off the bench with Cisco...them 2 subbing for Ron and KMart. I personally like Bonzi with Ron together, but many feel Bonzi will hinder Kevin's progress. Regardless, if Bonzi would be willing to come back and at a somewhat cheaper price, shouldn't the front office set down their pride and do what's best for the team. Pot,Corliss,Hart, and Price are never used-and signing Bonzi to a short deal term would not only help us, but Bonzi as well for next seasons payday.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

what about douby, price, and salmons?

 

[Kings113]

Price was barely used because of Adelman. When he did play, he showed something, and had a great summer league.

Price will see some time this season, and Musselman/Petrie really like him. If anyone is being moved it'll be one of Hart/Corliss/Potapenko.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

thats not the point. there are just too many players at the 1/2/3 position. we'll have artest, kmart, bibby, cisco, douby, salmons, price and *gasp* bonzi also (if resigned). there aren't enough minutes to be spread around for all those players.

 

[Merdiesel]

thats not the point. there are just too many players at the 1/2/3 position. we'll have artest, kmart, bibby, cisco, douby, salmons, price and *gasp* bonzi also (if resigned). there aren't enough minutes to be spread around for all those players.

Bonzi will definitely not want to be comming off the bench...

 

[Kings113]

thats not the point. there are just too many players at the 1/2/3 position. we'll have artest, kmart, bibby, cisco, douby, salmons, price and *gasp* bonzi also (if resigned). there aren't enough minutes to be spread around for all those players.

No it isn't. I didn't mean in reference to Bonzi, meant in reference to Ronnie Price himself. I am quite looking foward to see what he can do with more regular game time.

I'm not saying he'll see a lot of time, just don't like seeing Price get brushed off like he isn't much of anything (not just relating to us, but for his career).