Blow It Up

[hrdboild]

If this franchise for once followed an educated strategy for couple of years then take your own advice. Im sure you would be back after we got couple of top 3 draft picks plus additional late first rounders. This garbage has been going on long enough. Not enough talent, zero possibility to be an actuall contender and year after year picking 7-12th hoping for a miracle. Thats a strategy for idiots, literally fools gold.

If you want, go look back at these same discussions on 2017 and think back wether we would be better now if we actually prioritized future success instead of hoping to be close to .500

Look, I've been in favor of all-out tanking for the last 15 years okay? I give up. It's not going to happen and even if it did happen, it's unlikely to work. Sam Hinkie destroyed the Sixers for two straight seasons and what do they have to show for it? Okafor and Noel are gone. Saric is gone. Fultz is gone. Simmons is effectively gone. The only top pick they still have is Embiid and he was taken 3rd overall. Smart teams don't need to play 50 different G-Leaguers and stockpile a dozen picks to get one good player. I think player development, scouting, and intelligent coaching are what make teams succeed. Having a plan and knowing how to execute it is infinitely better than tanking and rolling the dice. Look no further than our own draft history.

People are piling on about how listless and unfocused we look right now and I agree. We look terrible. The defense is a joke and the offense wouldn't fly against good college teams. But we also have players who could succeed on a well-coached team. I don't think it's fair to Mitchell, Haliburton, Davis, and Metu to strip away everyone and let them lose by 20 every night. Three straight years of that and they'll probably be exhibiting the same level of effort that Fox is right now. If we want to be a winning organization we need to act like one. Assess the weaknesses and find solutions. Great players are drafted often enough with mid first round picks and later that it would not be a miracle to find one there. On the other hand, if you don't already have a system for player development in place it probably doesn't matter who you draft.

 

[Gguod]

Look, I've been in favor of all-out tanking for the last 15 years okay? I give up. It's not going to happen and even if it did happen, it's unlikely to work. Sam Hinkie destroyed the Sixers for two straight seasons and what do they have to show for it? Okafor and Noel are gone. Saric is gone. Fultz is gone. Simmons is effectively gone. The only top pick they still have is Embiid and he was taken 3rd overall. Smart teams don't need to play 50 different G-Leaguers and stockpile a dozen picks to get one good player. I think player development, scouting, and intelligent coaching are what make teams succeed. Having a plan and knowing how to execute it is infinitely better than tanking and rolling the dice. Look no further than our own draft history

There has been enough discussion on Hinkie and the process so I'm not going to get too much into it. They had so much assets that they could afford to miss on several top picks due to bad evaluation (okafor) or horrible luck (fultz) and they still are so much better than we are right now. They got Embiid. You give yourself the best odds and you will likely succeed.

Im going to ask you again, from 2017 we've had this exact discussion year after year in here. Do you actually think that we are better off now by "trying to win" and chasing the 8th seed by signing vets like Aflalo, Rondo, Zbo ect. What is it that we gained from that? Did Fox learn some winning habits? Does he defend now? No he doesnt. Zbo was supposed to teach wcs and giles, bot are gone and soon out of the league. We didnt gain anything from that strategy. We followed a horrible strategy and the results are still horrible.

People are piling on about how listless and unfocused we look right now and I agree. We look terrible. The defense is a joke and the offense wouldn't fly against good college teams. But we also have players who could succeed on a well-coached team. I don't think it's fair to Mitchell, Haliburton, Davis, and Metu to strip away everyone and let them lose by 20 every night. Three straight years of that and they'll probably be exhibiting the same level of effort that Fox is right now. If we want to be a winning organization we need to act like one. Assess the weaknesses and find solutions. Great players are drafted often enough with mid first round picks and later that it would not be a miracle to find one there. On the other hand, if you don't already have a system for player development in place it probably doesn't matter who you draft.

Seriously, do you actially think that a player is ruined when given a big role on a bottom 3 team vs given lesser role on a Kings type of team that is always just under .500? You yourself talked about fools gold. Saying that enough good players are drafted mid lottery is literally fools gold if you form your strategy on that. There are statistics available that show how much more likely it is to draft a great player top 3 compared to 8-12th. Hoping to get that franchise changing talent in 8-12th pick is fools gold according to data.

The impact of coaching, player developement ect is important. With that you can spend couple of years focusing on the future, developing young guys and be ready to compete with wide open cap space when you have enough top level talent.

 

[KainLear]

So many people ignore the important fact that the prolonged exposure of your players going through losing seasons after losing seasons is not good. You can only feel the challenge for so long until you give up.

 

[SacTownKid]

So many people ignore the important fact that the prolonged exposure of your players going through losing seasons after losing seasons is not good. You can only feel the challenge for so long until you give up.
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That can be said for almost any player drafted to the Kings in the last 16 years though, lol.

 

[hrdboild]

There has been enough discussion on Hinkie and the process so I'm not going to get too much into it. They had so much assets that they could afford to miss on several top picks due to bad evaluation (okafor) or horrible luck (fultz) and they still are so much better than we are right now. They got Embiid. You give yourself the best odds and you will likely succeed.

Im going to ask you again, from 2017 we've had this exact discussion year after year in here. Do you actually think that we are better off now by "trying to win" and chasing the 8th seed by signing vets like Aflalo, Rondo, Zbo ect. What is it that we gained from that? Did Fox learn some winning habits? Does he defend now? No he doesnt. Zbo was supposed to teach wcs and giles, bot are gone and soon out of the league. We didnt gain anything from that strategy. We followed a horrible strategy and the results are still horrible.

Seriously, do you actially think that a player is ruined when given a big role on a bottom 3 team vs given lesser role on a Kings type of team that is always just under .500? You yourself talked about fools gold. Saying that enough good players are drafted mid lottery is literally fools gold if you form your strategy on that. There are statistics available that show how much more likely it is to draft a great player top 3 compared to 8-12th. Hoping to get that franchise changing talent in 8-12th pick is fools gold according to data.

The impact of coaching, player developement ect is important. With that you can spend couple of years focusing on the future, developing young guys and be ready to compete with wide open cap space when you have enough top level talent.

I was cheering Hinkie on at the time but I think when you look at who the Sixers have now and who has led that team for the last 4 years, my belief in retrospect is that they've succeeded in spite of his process not because of it. Yes they got Embiid. We could have gotten Embiid too if our #2 pick year had coincided with his draft. That's just dumb luck.

I don't know if we're better off than we would have been if we'd tanked the last 4 years. It's impossible to answer that question. I do feel pretty confident in asserting that we're a lot worse off than if we hadn't fired Dave Joerger and replaced him with Luke Walton. We went away from a system that worked and replaced it with a system that doesn't. Who cares if Joerger got on people's nerves? Most coaches do.

Also, there's this myth that you develop players by playing them more. I don't think that's true at all. I think you develop players by giving them a consistent role and focusing on certain skills which will help them play that role well. The reason the process didn't work is that nobody learns anything going out there and getting their butt whopped every night. If you're not developing useable skills in an actual competitive environment than you're falling behind all the other players who are. Some players are self-motivated enough that they continue to grow regardless of their team environment but those first 3 or 4 years is when the learning curve is at it's sharpest. If you waste that time you're probably artificially lowering a player's top end potential.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Look, I've been in favor of all-out tanking for the last 15 years okay? I give up. It's not going to happen and even if it did happen, it's unlikely to work. Sam Hinkie destroyed the Sixers for two straight seasons and what do they have to show for it? Okafor and Noel are gone. Saric is gone. Fultz is gone. Simmons is effectively gone. The only top pick they still have is Embiid and he was taken 3rd overall. Smart teams don't need to play 50 different G-Leaguers and stockpile a dozen picks to get one good player. I think player development, scouting, and intelligent coaching are what make teams succeed. Having a plan and knowing how to execute it is infinitely better than tanking and rolling the dice. Look no further than our own draft history.

People are piling on about how listless and unfocused we look right now and I agree. We look terrible. The defense is a joke and the offense wouldn't fly against good college teams. But we also have players who could succeed on a well-coached team. I don't think it's fair to Mitchell, Haliburton, Davis, and Metu to strip away everyone and let them lose by 20 every night. Three straight years of that and they'll probably be exhibiting the same level of effort that Fox is right now. If we want to be a winning organization we need to act like one. Assess the weaknesses and find solutions. Great players are drafted often enough with mid first round picks and later that it would not be a miracle to find one there. On the other hand, if you don't already have a system for player development in place it probably doesn't matter who you draft.

Yeah, I used to be as pro-tank as anyone but I’ve backed off a bit and you’ve summed it up well. You have to put yourself in a position to not only draft the best talent but also develop it. It’s like going to buy the nicest seeds for your crop but not taking care of your soil.

 

[LPKingsFan]

I was cheering Hinkie on at the time but I think when you look at who the Sixers have now and who has led that team for the last 4 years, my belief in retrospect is that they've succeeded in spite of his process not because of it. Yes they got Embiid. We could have gotten Embiid too if our #2 pick year had coincided with his draft. That's just dumb luck.

I don't know if we're better off than we would have been if we'd tanked the last 4 years. It's impossible to answer that question. I do feel pretty confident in asserting that we're a lot worse off than if we hadn't fired Dave Joerger and replaced him with Luke Walton. We went away from a system that worked and replaced it with a system that doesn't. Who cares if Joerger got on people's nerves? Most coaches do.

Also, there's this myth that you develop players by playing them more. I don't think that's true at all. I think you develop players by giving them a consistent role and focusing on certain skills which will help them play that role well. The reason the process didn't work is that nobody learns anything going out there and getting their butt whopped every night. If you're not developing useable skills in an actual competitive environment than you're falling behind all the other players who are. Some players are self-motivated enough that they continue to grow regardless of their team environment but those first 3 or 4 years is when the learning curve is at it's sharpest. If you waste that time you're probably artificially lowering a player's top end potential.

I think you’ve nailed this as well. Some players are good enough that it doesn’t matter, but I don’t think the reason good teams keep finding and developing good players in the late first or second rounds is just because they are good scouts, but because they put those picks in a position to succeed.

Maybe it’s something like learning a new language? You’re much better off immersing yourself with fluent speakers than fumbling around with other learners.

 

[KainLear]

Despite all these blow-it-up talks, I feel that we are only a slight retool away from being a lot more competitive than we are now. By slight retool, I mean replacing 2-4 of our current assets with different types of assets. We are woefully small when we play with our skill-based lineups, if we replace (these are not trade suggestions) a shorter guard like TD with someone like Josh Richardson type of wings, I think we'll just be in a much better shape.
GO KINGS!

 

[Warhawk]

I was cheering Hinkie on at the time but I think when you look at who the Sixers have now and who has led that team for the last 4 years, my belief in retrospect is that they've succeeded in spite of his process not because of it.

And again, with the changes in the lottery odds, "tanking" for a top pick is less of a sure thing than it used to be.

 

[AaronPDX]

So many people ignore the important fact that the prolonged exposure of your players going through losing seasons after losing seasons is not good. You can only feel the challenge for so long until you give up.
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Being drafted by the Kings literally breaks most players. Sad.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

I was fortunate enough to play on a lot of winning teams in my youth. As I aged out of school sports and into rec leagues I've played on a lot more just here to make friends type of teams. But every so often I join a team that is supposed to be competitive and sucks hard. And it's very, very frustrating and soul sucking to be a part of.

That's part of the danger of a long term losing strategy, but there's no quick fix either. We should have made the big coaching change last season and gone through the growing and groaning pains we are going through right now. That's what makes this season so brutal to me. I think Alvin Gentry is doing a fine job of showing us who we might be able to rely on with a well coached team and who may have completely had the Kings ways suck the fire out of them. I just hope that Vivek is willing to let the play-in thing die and let Monte start trading towards a better balance so that come the 2022 draft we can pick the BPA without scratching our heads because it was in the only position we appear to be good at.

 

[jiimbob]

First, I noticed I just made starter status on this board which means this is a pretty sorry team if i’m starting.
I’m of the thought we don’t need much of a blow up to be respectable, the kings are just poorly constructed with some beat down players.
We have the moving parts along with draft picks to get one of Simmons, Sabonis, or Turner since they are frequently mentioned, and we still have decent complimentary players to surround them with.
However I recently saw a proposed three team trade involving Philadelphia, Charlotte and Sacramento. It didn’t net us Simmons but instead Thybulle, Bouknight, and Kai Jones. Charlotte gets Simmons, Philadelphia Fox and Hayward. Kings don’t give up draft picks.
We could still move Buddy and Bagley in seperate deals.
It may be far fetched?? but I think Thybulle, not quite the star name as some should be a good fit. Move Buddy and i’m happy to get Bouknight.
Something best happen, cause this is getting old.

 

[midtowner]

I’m cool rolling with a Mitchell and Haliburton backcourt going forward - as long as we can get some talent at other positions. This team is unwatchable.

 

[kingsboi]

So many people ignore the important fact that the prolonged exposure of your players going through losing seasons after losing seasons is not good. You can only feel the challenge for so long until you give up.
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adversity will either build your character or deplete your motivation

 

[SwipaTical]

They just need to move Fox/Barnes/Buddy none of these guys give you any bang for your buck when it comes to winning, I don't even consider that blowing it up since you can't blow up an 11th seed. Moving these 3 for even decent level talent and freeing yourself of the burden of their contracts is the way to go and will only improve the team. Buddy you MIGHT keep as a fit due to his shooting but the other two have to go.]

The Kings could easily retool and become a playoff team by next season if they play their cards right and have luck with injuries.

Buddy Is the first one that needs to go. It's been nothing but drama and he hasn't wanted to be in Sacramento for 2 years now. He's a piece for a well rounded team not a rebuilding team. There's no place for buddy on this squad.

 

[KainLear]

We should have made the big coaching change last season and gone through the growing and groaning pains we are going through right now. That's what makes this season so brutal to me. I think Alvin Gentry is doing a fine job of showing us who we might be able to rely on with a well coached team and who may have completely had the Kings ways suck the fire out of them. I just hope that Vivek is willing to let the play-in thing die and let Monte start trading towards a better balance so that come the 2022 draft we can pick the BPA without scratching our heads because it was in the only position we appear to be good at.

I agree 1000%. I've never been a fan of Walton since he was unceremoniously hired without at least a casting call. At least even if we still suck like we do now, we know the coach and the GM are executing their plan and can then judge their ability accordingly.

 

[ockingsfan]

Personally, I think the best way to go about this rebuild now, is to trade the older veterans and get some young pieces with upside. Meaning, Harission Barnes, Richaun Holmes, and Buddy Hield is on the trade block to the highest bidder by this years trade deadline. All 3 of those guys would be solid additions for a playoff teams looking to get over the hump. We should be able to net us a couple of good young players and a couple of draft picks from moving those 3 players.

I would keep the young guards core in Fox, Hali, and Mitchell unless we get blown away with a superstar type no-brainer trade offer. Bagley is a bit of an enigma, I might hang on to him, to see what we can do under a coach that knows how to use him.

 

[Dongoodboy]

I was cheering Hinkie on at the time but I think when you look at who the Sixers have now and who has led that team for the last 4 years, my belief in retrospect is that they've succeeded in spite of his process not because of it. Yes they got Embiid. We could have gotten Embiid too if our #2 pick year had coincided with his draft. That's just dumb luck.

I don't know if we're better off than we would have been if we'd tanked the last 4 years. It's impossible to answer that question. I do feel pretty confident in asserting that we're a lot worse off than if we hadn't fired Dave Joerger and replaced him with Luke Walton. We went away from a system that worked and replaced it with a system that doesn't. Who cares if Joerger got on people's nerves? Most coaches do.

Also, there's this myth that you develop players by playing them more. I don't think that's true at all. I think you develop players by giving them a consistent role and focusing on certain skills which will help them play that role well. The reason the process didn't work is that nobody learns anything going out there and getting their butt whopped every night. If you're not developing useable skills in an actual competitive environment than you're falling behind all the other players who are. Some players are self-motivated enough that they continue to grow regardless of their team environment but those first 3 or 4 years is when the learning curve is at it's sharpest. If you waste that time you're probably artificially lowering a player's top end potential.

One thing I learnt from this “process” is you need more than enough asset to have room for error. They lost Noel, Okafor, Fultz, overpaid for Tobias Harris, traded Mikal Bridges for Ziaire Smith. Jimmy Butler ended up being Seth Curry is not bad but still a downgrade in terms of star power. In spite of these moves they are still a 50 win team. Meanwhile there is your Sacramento Kings with no extra asset when you want to swing for a bigger star.

 

[kb02]

Kings YTD On/Off stats:

http://stats.inpredictable.com/nba/...ate=tot&grp=1&mpos=100&sort=sdf_wpa&order=ASC

Here's 2020, for perspective:

http://stats.inpredictable.com/nba/...ate=tot&grp=1&mpos=100&sort=sdf_wpa&order=ASC

 

[Joshoua]

Look, I've been in favor of all-out tanking for the last 15 years okay? I give up. It's not going to happen and even if it did happen, it's unlikely to work. Sam Hinkie destroyed the Sixers for two straight seasons and what do they have to show for it? Okafor and Noel are gone. Saric is gone. Fultz is gone. Simmons is effectively gone. The only top pick they still have is Embiid and he was taken 3rd overall. Smart teams don't need to play 50 different G-Leaguers and stockpile a dozen picks to get one good player. I think player development, scouting, and intelligent coaching are what make teams succeed. Having a plan and knowing how to execute it is infinitely better than tanking and rolling the dice. Look no further than our own draft history.

People are piling on about how listless and unfocused we look right now and I agree. We look terrible. The defense is a joke and the offense wouldn't fly against good college teams. But we also have players who could succeed on a well-coached team. I don't think it's fair to Mitchell, Haliburton, Davis, and Metu to strip away everyone and let them lose by 20 every night. Three straight years of that and they'll probably be exhibiting the same level of effort that Fox is right now. If we want to be a winning organization we need to act like one. Assess the weaknesses and find solutions. Great players are drafted often enough with mid first round picks and later that it would not be a miracle to find one there. On the other hand, if you don't already have a system for player development in place it probably doesn't matter who you draft.

We doing this dumb crap again

Hinkie left Philadelphia in the perfect spot non lebron/KD teams that couldn’t just collude there way to a ring. Sixer’s were in a worse spot than we or any time has been in a while no starts no picks and in what 3 years they get an MVP player, Ben Simmons, unlimited first round picks, and countless role players that are all on contending teams right now. Nba fires Hinkie cause they see his successful the process is and hire a moran to run the team and he burns all the remaining assets on pure garbage but that goes on Hinkie a resume. If Hinkie was still there Philadelphia has Embiid, Tatum, Simmons, and bridges.

Also to answer what Philadelphia had to show for it is multiple deep dee playoff runs, top 10 player, and hope of winning a championship this and the next 3-5 years. And this is all after the coloanglos came and did the worst possible job they could do with what was given to them. But ya let’s rebuild for 20-30 years and win 33 games every year

 

[Dongoodboy]

We doing this dumb crap again

Hinkie left Philadelphia in the perfect spot non lebron/KD teams that couldn’t just collude there way to a ring. Sixer’s were in a worse spot than we or any time has been in a while no starts no picks and in what 3 years they get an MVP player, Ben Simmons, unlimited first round picks, and countless role players that are all on contending teams right now. Nba fires Hinkie cause they see his successful the process is and hire a moran to run the team and he burns all the remaining assets on pure garbage but that goes on Hinkie a resume. If Hinkie was still there Philadelphia has Embiid, Tatum, Simmons, and bridges.

Also to answer what Philadelphia had to show for it is multiple deep dee playoff runs, top 10 player, and hope of winning a championship this and the next 3-5 years. And this is all after the coloanglos came and did the worst possible job they could do with what was given to them. But ya let’s rebuild for 20-30 years and win 33 games every year

Yeah 76er is at the lower end of their expected outcome of this rebuild. Bryan Colangelo and Elton Brand are lucky to have so much asset to splash.

 

[Gguod]

I don't know if we're better off than we would have been if we'd tanked the last 4 years. It's impossible to answer that question. I do feel pretty confident in asserting that we're a lot worse off than if we hadn't fired Dave Joerger and replaced him with Luke Walton. We went away from a system that worked and replaced it with a system that doesn't. Who cares if Joerger got on people's nerves? Most coaches do.

It would be very hard to be worse off than we are now. Not close to the playoffs in the last 4 years, no additional future draft capital, not getting that top level talent via draft or free agency and currently in a situation where we are pretty much capped out with limited opportunities to improve. I would say its pretty clear that we would be better off if we tanked after trading Cousins. Better salary cap situation, more bites off the apple via draft for four years, probably some additional draft assets in the future and higher picks aka much better odds for getting that top level talent that is the most important thing for a franchise.

Also, there's this myth that you develop players by playing them more. I don't think that's true at all. I think you develop players by giving them a consistent role and focusing on certain skills which will help them play that role well. The reason the process didn't work is that nobody learns anything going out there and getting their butt whopped every night. If you're not developing useable skills in an actual competitive environment than you're falling behind all the other players who are. Some players are self-motivated enough that they continue to grow regardless of their team environment but those first 3 or 4 years is when the learning curve is at it's sharpest. If you waste that time you're probably artificially lowering a player's top end potential.

You think the process didnt work. I very strongly disagree. They got an MVP level player. Thats the best thing that can happen to a franchise. They got that by giving themselves the best odds to get that. They had bad luck with Fultz and people after Hinkie really botched that whole thing but they are still so much better off than we are now when we tried to win.

Also Embiid developed into a top 5 player even when the sixers tanked. We didnt tank but we dont have much to show for it at the player developement level. When you are talented enough you can flourish, winning 23 games compared to 33 games doesnt seem to change that. Competent staff is much more relevant to developement. Us getting to that 33 wins paying huge money to "mentors" hasnt clearly worked at all so I really cant understand why people expect it to be the best way forward still

 

[twslam07]

Hinkie left the 76ers with the following assets (if I have it all correct):

1. Joel Embiid
2. Jerami Grant
3. Christian Wood
4. Richaun Holmes
5. Robert Covington
6. Dario Saric
7. Nerlens Noel
8. Jahlil Okafor
9. 2016 PHI 1st Round Pick (Became #1)
10. 2016 Miami 1st Round Pick - Top 10 Protected (Became #24)
11. 2016 OKC 1st Round Pick (Became #26)
12. 2017 PHI 1st Round Pick (Became #5)
13. 2017 SAC Pick Swap (Used to go from #5 to #3)
14. 2018 PHI 1st Round Pick (Became #26)
15. 2019 PHI 1st Round Pick (Became #24)
16. 2019 SAC 1st Round Pick (Unprotected)
17. 2020 PHI 1st Round Pick (Became #24)
18. 2021 PHI 1st Round Pick (Became #28)
19. Tons of 2nd round picks

I think we need to be careful to think the "became XYZ" picks (except for the 2016 PHI 1st) wouldn't have been different/higher had Hinkie been able to continue his patient approach, but that's quite the haul and something I'd be ecstatic about having here in Sacramento.

 

[kb02]

Hinkie left the 76ers with the following assets (if I have it all correct):

1. Joel Embiid
2. Jerami Grant
3. Christian Wood
4. Richaun Holmes
5. Robert Covington
6. Dario Saric
7. Nerlens Noel
8. Jahlil Okafor
9. 2016 PHI 1st Round Pick (Became #1)
10. 2016 Miami 1st Round Pick - Top 10 Protected (Became #24)
11. 2016 OKC 1st Round Pick (Became #26)
12. 2017 PHI 1st Round Pick (Became #5)
13. 2017 SAC Pick Swap (Used to go from #5 to #3)
14. 2018 PHI 1st Round Pick (Became #26)
15. 2019 PHI 1st Round Pick (Became #24)
16. 2019 SAC 1st Round Pick (Unprotected)
17. 2020 PHI 1st Round Pick (Became #24)
18. 2021 PHI 1st Round Pick (Became #28)
19. Tons of 2nd round picks

I think we need to be careful to think the "became XYZ" picks (except for the 2016 PHI 1st) wouldn't have been different/higher had Hinkie been able to continue his patient approach, but that's quite the haul and something I'd be ecstatic about having here in Sacramento.

That doesn't even include the Simmons pick, which was directly because of Hinkie's strategy.

Whether the Kings tank or not, they need to upgrade their talent. It's Monte's window to do so. Monte fails to do a big trade, I guarantee that he'll be gone by this time next year. Timestamp it and hold me to it.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Nba fires Hinkie cause they see how successful the process is

That's certainly an interesting interpretation of events.

 

[twslam07]

That doesn't even include the Simmons pick, which was directly because of Hinkie's strategy.

Whether the Kings tank or not, they need to upgrade their talent. It's Monte's window to do so. Monte fails to do a big trade, I guarantee that he'll be gone by this time next year. Timestamp it and hold me to it.

It does include the Simmons pick.

9. 2016 PHI 1st Round Pick (Became #1)

 

[Dongoodboy]

That doesn't even include the Simmons pick, which was directly because of Hinkie's strategy.

Whether the Kings tank or not, they need to upgrade their talent. It's Monte's window to do so. Monte fails to do a big trade, I guarantee that he'll be gone by this time next year. Timestamp it and hold me to it.

He needs to do something big. 2nd round pick for some unknown players won't save him.

 

[The_Jamal]

That doesn't even include the Simmons pick, which was directly because of Hinkie's strategy.

Whether the Kings tank or not, they need to upgrade their talent. It's Monte's window to do so. Monte fails to do a big trade, I guarantee that he'll be gone by this time next year. Timestamp it and hold me to it.

If Monte doesn't blow it up, I think he gets 1 year with his coach before he's gone. If it's a full reset, he'll get some time.

 

[jiimbob]

According to Shams Athletic we’re very much in talks with Philadelphia for Simmons.
Okay by me, though I’m starting to like some of the other trade conversations more.
It must be as apparent to Monte as many here that drastic measures are warranted.

 

[kb02]

If Monte doesn't blow it up, I think he gets 1 year with his coach before he's gone. If it's a full reset, he'll get some time.

You have more faith in Vivek than me.