Bill Simmons with some tough words for the Kings
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I agree NBRANS. I think they were lucky that Divac and Webber turned out to be great basketball players in their primes.
beb0p
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I absolutley do not believe this story is true. Because if the front office would settled for such a bad mix of players from the Lakers, then they would have accepted the Heat's proposal too.
The most possible trade scenario that works under the cap is Rad, Mihm and McKie for Bibby, with possibly a Laker pick thrown in. The Lakers don't have other combination of expiring contracts that make sense.
That's not a good trade at all for the Kings! Rad is overpaid and the Lakers' pick is not going to get us anything good.
The most possible trade scenario that works under the cap is Rad, Mihm and McKie for Bibby, with possibly a Laker pick thrown in. The Lakers don't have other combination of expiring contracts that make sense.
That's not a good trade at all for the Kings! Rad is overpaid and the Lakers' pick is not going to get us anything good.
SacKings384
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Mihm and McKie come off the books at the end of the season, plus a pick which is going up as the Lakers losing streak continues...
KINGSFAN-FROM-L.A.
G-League
yeah right
they wouldnt give up THAT much... everyones just looking for a reason to bash maloofs... geez
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AriesMar27
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that was bs... yeah we suck but damn... that trade would have sucked for us... radmonovic is injured and we would be even worse... mckie, mihm and vlad wouldnt be playing... that would have been a horrible trade..
the miami trade would have been much better even if it were for undersized players.....
the miami trade would have been much better even if it were for undersized players.....
The other day I ranted on the Personnel board when I heard this deal on ESPN. But it was reported as Bibby for Vlad. And I freaked out. Then I realized those contracts don't work. Then I hear it wad for Farmar, who is going to be a GOOD point guard. And an expiring deal in Mihm? And maybe McKie? Or Kwame?
My god. That's a great deal. Simmons is right - Bibby is WASHED UP.
And, hello? Yeah. Vlad is hurt. We get worse. But that is exactly what we want! We want to LOSE right now, so we have a shot at Oden/Durant, then next year we would actually be pretty freaking good.
PG: Farmar
SG: Kevin
SF: Artest
PF: Kwame
C: Oden
Then you get Kwame off the books after 2007...we'd be on our way! If this trade was really nixed by the Maloofs, they should be forced to sell the team.
Packt
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If people believe Bibby is washed up, how does he not help us achieve a better lottery pick, someone explain that to me? Vlad would probably help our lottery chances more by actually playing, but with him injured we'll have to play someone better, like KT-- he'll rebound us into mediocrity.
Packt
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What's this guys agenda? Why the bitterness? Laker sympathizer maybe? ...I highly doubt he would care what the Kings do with Bibby otherwise. ..."Congrats to the Maloofs", give me a break. Drama queen.
He's a Celtics fan, but because he's staying in LA, he's become a Clip fan. We all know they'll never meet in an important game. He can be entertaining, but he's pretty much a "hater", just with a degree in sports journal... Maybe the Maloofs didn't comp his recent adventure in Nevada.
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D13
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Aaaa. Thanks. BibbyFAN10
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It seems to me everyone assumes we have a shot at Oden/Durant. IMO we don't. We are bad but not Celtic or Grizzlies bad. I mean is everyone so willing to tank for Al Horford or Hasheem Thabeet?
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
a) either one of those guys could really help us.
b) at this point, "tanking" as you say is opposed by y what exactly? Might as well.
c0 We still have a legit shot at the #4 seed (as in 4th worst). Not impossible. If we stink (tank) badly enough. We are 23-31. 4 teams are withing 2 games of us -- 24-33 Portland, 21-33 Seattle, 22-33 Charlotte, 22-33 Atlanta, and 19-37 Milwaulkee might, unfortunately for them, start winning again with Michael Redd coming back. There were a .500 team wiht him, helpless without. Only Memphis, Boston and Philly (who actually is playing better now, but still just sucks) seem out of reach in that direction. The 4th worst team has aa combined 37.8% chance of getting a Top 3 pick. Its not impossible. 12% for #1, 12.5% for #2. Enough to legitimately cross your fingers for on draft night.
PT Cruiser 9ROC
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What's this guys agenda? Why the bitterness? Laker sympathizer maybe? ...I highly doubt he would care what the Kings do with Bibby otherwise. ..."Congrats to the Maloofs", give me a break. Drama queen.
Well if you'd taken the time to read the whole article (which was linked), you would've seen that he didn't do the Kings the "service" of singling them out. His article graded the entire league on their decisions up to the trade deadline. He gave most of the teams in the league equally bad grades (including his Clippers, who were given a "G"). This was based on his sentiment (shared by most everyone who follows the NBA) that many of the teams could've made moves but were dumb and chose to do nothing at all. So please don't react so sensitively toward the guy. He doesn't think the Kings are anything special (much less something worth writing an entire article about).
slugking50
All-Star
CD said last night that he talked to someone off the record about this supposed trade. The source said it was absolutely not true at all. "They called, We laughed and said we'll get back to you" after The Lakers offered nothing worthy of discussion. That was it.
Funny thing about it was that Cd said that the source said that they wanted allstar for Allstar..... Like somehow Mike is one!
D13
Bench
Oh. Thanks for straightening me out. So in the context of the article, it changes what he said. Gothcha. Yea, this guy bashed half the league. So? Teams are dumb for not making moves... and you know the deals on the table where so great why? This guy said so? And now all these GM's are dumb and this guy is so smart... hmmm. I doubt it's that simple..
PT Cruiser 9ROC
Bench
If you'd step down from your pedestal of condescension, you'd realize that, yeah, it does change what he said. At least it changes based on your perception. Your reaction to his comments sounded like you thought he was some Laker-lovin', Kings-hatin' homer with an agenda against the Kings. "Laker sympathizer maybe? ...I highly doubt he would care what the Kings do with Bibby otherwise"
Please don't put words in my mouth either. I never implied (not even remotely) that I believed those offers were great or even true. I was just clearing up the context for you, because you were overreacting without having actually read the entire article.
As far as dumb GMs go, there is such a thing. Isiah Thomas, Danny Ainge, Kevin McHale, Chris Mullin, and whoever runs the Hawks. I might've missed someone. But that's getting away from the point.
kingsfan101
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What's this guys agenda? Why the bitterness? Laker sympathizer maybe? ...I highly doubt he would care what the Kings do with Bibby otherwise. ..."Congrats to the Maloofs", give me a break. Drama queen.
There is no agenda. That's just the way he writes. I actually enjoy his articles quite a bit (particularly his Isiah bashing), but they should never be taken as sources of fact.
Don't know what the proposed trade from Lakers was, and who vetoed it. At this point, taking any long term contract for Bibby is a bad idea, unless it's a young player with upside. You don't want to parlay two years of Bibby into four years of Vlade or someone else. Maybe, once he gets into his final year, he shall be easier to trade (if not next year).
The concern is the supposedly active approach by the Maloofs. If they are getting heavily involved in personnel decision (by several indications, they were till some time back, and are probably not backing down), it's not good for the franchise. It severly restricts Petrie, and also reduces his authority. Agents, and other front offices might also not deal with him on equal terms, knowing that the owners might not support him.
Bill Simmons is a great writer with a lot of sources in the NBA, particularly LA and Boston. If he says we were looking at enders and picks for Bibby, then I believe it. I also find the Maloof meddling highly believable. Furthermore, the NBA is hands down the worst in professional sports at talent evaluation and acquisition. Most, if not all, of these teams are run by former players with no particular pedigree in running a franchise. Contrast that with the NFL or even MLB. You'll find a lot of Ivy Leaguers and MBAs in NFL and MLB front offices. Petrie is the clear exception for the NBA, but when he gets handcuffed by the Maloofs it is bad news.
Heuge
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This has been a rough day. I needed the laugh.
Heuge
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You do know Petrie is a former player, right?
Sptsjunkie
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I think his reference was to Petrie being the excetion that he is an Ivy leaguer from Princeton.
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