Bibby's scoring bothers me a little ...

[Yoda]

That is undebateable.

Bibby has been undeniably impressive on offense.

I wouldn't take that away from him. But, the caveat that applied to Reef is applicable to Bibby now. He's putting up BIG NUMBERS in losing efforts.

What I keep trying to say - and I guess I'm not saying it properly - is that Bibby is a great player and I'm discussing his holes. In doing so, I'm getting pushed on by ardent Bibby supporters so I'm showing area that he's not as godly as they think he is.

I think Bibby is a key component and can be one of the pieces that makes this team gel and win again. But, I don't think he's going to do it on the back of his scoring and with a lack of defense.

Its is impossible to take you seriously on your Bibby comments, you know, the one where you say he is not a playmaker...then he proceeds to go for over 40 4 times in the next two weeks.

 

[Yoda]

Biiby's defense should be the only thing bugging us right now. It is deplorable and without a shotblocker behind him, it is getting exposed.

 

[VF21]

What I keep trying to say - and I guess I'm not saying it properly - is that Bibby is a great player and I'm discussing his holes. In doing so, I'm getting pushed on by ardent Bibby supporters so I'm showing area that he's not as godly as they think he is.

First, you're not "discussing his holes." You have, from the beginning, bagged on Bibby like he stole your car and ran over your favorite hunting dog as he was backing it out of your garage.

Tossing a few crumbs of praise his way doesn't alter the over-all impression you've given the majority of posters on this forum. You don't like Bibby. We get it.

Few of us think Bibby is "godly" and your use of those kind of phrases is, in a word, condescending. We aren't ardent Bibby supporters. We're loyal, long-time Kings fans who are fully aware of his strengths and his weaknesses. We appreciate what he has brought to our team and we will continue to support him. We've been through a lot together, Bibby and the fans, and we (or at least I) do not appreciate the way you continually and unceasingly find a way to compliment him on one hand and then tear him to shreds on the other.

Sorry, but that's my take.

 

[tradepeja]

Pacers are trading Peja already???

hey, uh you see that little "Join Date" thing under my username...yeah that's really useful sometimes

 

[kennadog]

First, you're not "discussing his holes." You have, from the beginning, bagged on Bibby like he stole your car and ran over your favorite hunting dog as he was backing it out of your garage.

Tossing a few crumbs of praise his way doesn't alter the over-all impression you've given the majority of posters on this forum. You don't like Bibby. We get it.

Few of us think Bibby is "godly" and your use of those kind of phrases is, in a word, condescending. We aren't ardent Bibby supporters. We're loyal, long-time Kings fans who are fully aware of his strengths and his weaknesses. We appreciate what he has brought to our team and we will continue to support him. We've been through a lot together, Bibby and the fans, and we (or at least I) do not appreciate the way you continually and unceasingly find a way to compliment him on one hand and then tear him to shreds on the other.

Sorry, but that's my take.

Me also. Thank you for expressing it so well. Long time fans know very well what Bibby's weaknesses are. We also know what a HUGE upgrade over JWill he was, even tho many hated that trade when it was made. With Webb gone, until I see more of the new guys, its Mike I would go to if I needed a made shot for the win. (With Webb, I'd have taken either him or Mike.)

 

[VF21]

hey, uh you see that little "Join Date" thing under my username...yeah that's really useful sometimes

You could always change your user name.

 

[1kingzfan]

In fact just looking back at this streak since Bibby started mega-scoring once everybody got hurt, basically everytime Mike scores a lot of points, so do we.

Our pts when Mike's scored 30+ dating back to Dec. 27:
12/27 110
12/30 116
01/06 118
01/15 104
01/19 118
01/24 103
01/25 105
01/29 123

A little quick math, and it turns out when Mike scores 30+ pts a game this year we average 112ppg. I'll take it.

Well, why don't we add in Mike's 33-point effort back in November in a loss when only 93 Kings' points were scored just to make the season record complete for 30+ games?

That would give the Kings a record of 6-3 when Mike scores 30 or more and a 110.1 average. Not too shabby.

Now, try this on for size....

Our W/L, team points (- opp pts), and KMart's points when Kevin Martin scores 14+ points (entire season):

W 101-85 14
W 114-105 18
L 103-106 19
W 110-93 20
W 116-112 22
W 118-114 17
W 104-100 22
W 119-90 25
L 103-109 20
W 106-102 21

The Kings are 8-2 and average 109.4 when KMart gets 14 or more. Also not too shabby and, in fact, a BETTER outcome than when Bibby gets 30 or more.

Maybe Mike should put a little more effort in getting Kevin the ball, calling plays to get him open, instead of the usual running the offense to the other side of the floor about 80% of the time or Mike doing the dribble-dribble-dribble-dribble-shoot routine.

Six of Mike's nine 30+ point games sync up with six of Kevin's ten 14+ point games, and the Kings are 5-1 in those games. Think there's a correlation here???

 

[DeAtHrOw]

You could always change your user name.

Thank you VF21, I knew I could count on you to recognize the sarcasm in my original post.

 

[DeAtHrOw]

Biiby's defense should be the only thing bugging us right now. It is deplorable and without a shotblocker behind him, it is getting exposed.

Amen.

 

[playmaker0017]

Its is impossible to take you seriously on your Bibby comments, you know, the one where you say he is not a playmaker...then he proceeds to go for over 40 4 times in the next two weeks.

When I say "playmaker" I'm not meaning it in the sense of scoring.

When I refer to a "playmaker", I mean a guy that makes the play for the team. He sets up a teammate for an open look or dunk.

Boris Diaw is a playmaker, in that sense. Steve Nash is a playmaker. John Stockton is a playmaker. Jason Kidd is a playmaker.

It's a semantic argument. But, when I said that Bibby wasn't a playmaker, I was referring to his inability to break down his man, see the floor and make the appropriate pass.

 

[playmaker0017]

Few of us think Bibby is "godly" and your use of those kind of phrases is, in a word, condescending. We aren't ardent Bibby supporters.

Some people are. You may not be, perhaps I wasn't referring to you or a blanket statement to "everyone".

What's interesting is that someone can be a complete and utter Bibby-homer to the extreme ... and not get called out for it. I mention Reef and say he should get more touches, and you'd think I pissed on your graves.

We're loyal, long-time Kings fans who are fully aware of his strengths and his weaknesses. We appreciate what he has brought to our team and we will continue to support him.

Just like I was the only one defending Peja through all this loyalty.

How about tossing Reef some "appreciation" once in a while. Instead, Reef has a good game and it's "he only got 7 rebounds. C+". Or Kenny Thomas has 10 decent games and he should be the starter. How about the thread where NO ONE mentioned heart when it came to Reef coming back with a broken jaw?

Is there a double standard?

Or does saying a player needs to "grow a pair of balls" constitute support and appreciation?

I've NEVER been so rude to Bibby. I also have NEVER come out in a thread and repeatedly made snide comments about one particular poster in a "hush hush" manner so that it can be construed as not about them.

We've been through a lot together, Bibby and the fans, and we (or at least I) do not appreciate the way you continually and unceasingly find a way to compliment him on one hand and then tear him to shreds on the other.

Mentioning facts and figures is "tearing him apart"? Please point to one area where I "tore him apart"? I was saying, and will say continually, what I would like to see from him. It's called constructive criticism.

Plus, on the flip side:

Reef and I have "been through a lot together" and I don't appreciate the way people have torn him down... especially when he is down.

Sorry, but that's my take.

That's my take, too.

I'm not trying to be offensive, crude or rude in any of my posts. It's frustrating to have people call me out or say I have an agenda because I don't hold the same popular opinion.

Perhaps I DO have an agenda and that agenda is to win! I see a way I think it can happen.

But, the flip side is: PERHAPS YOU HAVE AN AGENDA TOO!!

 

[VF21]

Reef and I have "been through a lot together" and I don't appreciate the way people have torn him down... especially when he is down.

And that perhaps says it all better than I ever could. Your agenda is personal; you are a personal friend of Reef's...

 

[playmaker0017]

And that perhaps says it all better than I ever could. Your agenda is personal; you are a personal friend of Reef's...

Why is it the identical statement from me is a personal agenda, yet yours is not? We both have agendas. Everyone here does. Everyone who posts has an "agenda". They want to be heard and want people to understand why they think the way they do. Otherwise what's the point.

Let me ask, my "agenda" somehow makes me want to hate Bibby? No. I've said what I dislike and WHY I dislike it.

Why didn't I hate Peja? I did for a while. I thought he was forced into the offense too much and mentioned it. As he was phased out and people bagged on him I defended him.

 

[bozzwell]

When I say "playmaker" I'm not meaning it in the sense of scoring.

When I refer to a "playmaker", I mean a guy that makes the play for the team. He sets up a teammate for an open look or dunk.

Boris Diaw is a playmaker, in that sense. Steve Nash is a playmaker. John Stockton is a playmaker. Jason Kidd is a playmaker.

It's a semantic argument. But, when I said that Bibby wasn't a playmaker, I was referring to his inability to break down his man, see the floor and make the appropriate pass.

I didn't realise you were a Euro!

Seriously, in most of Europe playmaker (usually abbrevated to just "play") is used to refer to point guard.

 

[BMiller52]

So you're mad that people like Bibby a lot and don't give Reef many props or what? Because saying stuff like you have it kind of sounds like that. Or do you just dislike Mike? Seriously... Why do you dislike Mike so badly?

 

[thesanityannex]

And so end result you get all of this ridiculous handwringing about the only piece of prosperity we've had this season. Bibby's been to the mountain. Until Artest arrived, the rest of these guys were just tourists.

I nominate this for quote of the year.

 

[Yoda]

When I say "playmaker" I'm not meaning it in the sense of scoring.

When I refer to a "playmaker", I mean a guy that makes the play for the team. He sets up a teammate for an open look or dunk.

Boris Diaw is a playmaker, in that sense. Steve Nash is a playmaker. John Stockton is a playmaker. Jason Kidd is a playmaker.

It's a semantic argument. But, when I said that Bibby wasn't a playmaker, I was referring to his inability to break down his man, see the floor and make the appropriate pass.

You should really watch the game, that is what Bibby excells at. But hatred is hatred and you will see what you like.

 

[ESP47]

With Artest and Wells now in the post, Bibby should get more open looks off their double teams. If everything works right, Bibby's scoring should round off to around 18-19pts but he should become a more efficient player with a higher FG%

 

[PixelPusher]

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Bibby's scoring doesn't bother me in the slightest. His defense however...

 

[kennadog]

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Bibby's scoring doesn't bother me in the slightest. His defense however...

ROTFL....and I agree, obviously.