Yesterdays Bee mentioned how Bibby is more likely to be traded than Artest and two places they mentioned were Cleveland and Dallas. I do not know how the contracts stack up but what about Bibby to Dallas for Devin Harris and Jerry Stackhouse? I would do that in a second we get a good young starting PG and a guy in Stackhouse who is great off the bench.
Bibby to Dallas??
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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
I am not a huge believer in Harris, and after watching Baron treat him like a chew toy in the first round, even less so now.
That said, Cuban is always game of course, but I don't really see how the contracts work. First, we have no need of an old man like Stack, particularly not when we are trading Bibby. And dallas would need Stack back anyway since clearly they would be reloading. He's also a free agent, so it would have to be a sign and trade, and in gneral, just not happening.
From our perspective, need to get to at least $10.125 to be wihtin 25% of Bibby's contract. So you have Harris at $4.0mil, maybe DJ Mbenga, who we were interested in last summer, at $1.8mil (did you know he's already 27 BTW?? not such a great prospect after all)...and then it gets hard or almost impossible. We could take Deven George as an ending contract at $2.2mil, so that's $8.0million combined, bu the only other contracts they have that work are Greg Buckner, who has a long term deal that we should want nothing to do with, or Desagna Diop, who has an ender of perfect size, but i of course half of their center duo nad hard to see them parting with. Maurice Ager is there, but we have no need of him, and his deal is only for $1mil, whihc is not enough. Just hard to see how the money works out unless additional players were involed
That said, Cuban is always game of course, but I don't really see how the contracts work. First, we have no need of an old man like Stack, particularly not when we are trading Bibby. And dallas would need Stack back anyway since clearly they would be reloading. He's also a free agent, so it would have to be a sign and trade, and in gneral, just not happening.
From our perspective, need to get to at least $10.125 to be wihtin 25% of Bibby's contract. So you have Harris at $4.0mil, maybe DJ Mbenga, who we were interested in last summer, at $1.8mil (did you know he's already 27 BTW?? not such a great prospect after all)...and then it gets hard or almost impossible. We could take Deven George as an ending contract at $2.2mil, so that's $8.0million combined, bu the only other contracts they have that work are Greg Buckner, who has a long term deal that we should want nothing to do with, or Desagna Diop, who has an ender of perfect size, but i of course half of their center duo nad hard to see them parting with. Maurice Ager is there, but we have no need of him, and his deal is only for $1mil, whihc is not enough. Just hard to see how the money works out unless additional players were involed
Kingster
Hall of Famer
I don't think Dallas does that deal. I think Harris is better than Bibby, straight-up.
Vlade4GM
All-Star
I still like Harris, don't think he'll be an all-star anymore but he has the potential to be one of the better PG defenders in the league and he has a Tony Parker type game. I think he still has value.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Bibby's actually a PG for one.
Besaides, Mavs had a dirty little secret last year through all those wins: they really weren't overwhelmingly talented. Adding another star level player could maybe help to distinguish them. Or it could throw them back into the too many similar cooks mess of the Walker/Jamison year. But something has to change after that flameout. They need something splashy to revitalize + get confidence back, and they need to make a run in the here and now.
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Terry was a 2 guard who's learned to play the point. He's much more of a natural scorer than a facilitator. That said, Bibby has developed into more of a scorer himself over his tenure with the Kings, so at this point in their careers they're similar players. Terry has faster footspeed but Bibby is a better ballhandler. On defense Terry moves his feet better but Bibby is stronger. If I were deciding between the two right now, I think Terry has performed above expectations the past couple season and Bibby has performed below expectations last season. If both bring their 'A' game, Bibby is the better player in my opinion. You could certainly take into account cost, play style, leadership qualities, expected health, and relative decline (players don't all decline in skill level at the same age) -- but given all those factors I'd still prefer Bibby.
From the Mavs, I'm not even sure I'd take Devin Harris in return. He hasn't shown a whole lot other than potential so far which puts him at about the same level as, say, Dorrell Wright. I'd want Howard in return (which is a fair trade talent-wise I think except that Howard is younger) but there's no way Dallas makes that trade.
From the Mavs, I'm not even sure I'd take Devin Harris in return. He hasn't shown a whole lot other than potential so far which puts him at about the same level as, say, Dorrell Wright. I'd want Howard in return (which is a fair trade talent-wise I think except that Howard is younger) but there's no way Dallas makes that trade.
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Do tell...seriously.
Could you expand that comment to include WHY you think Harris is better than Mike Bibby?
Kingster
Hall of Famer
Whhhhhhhoooooaa!...
Don't know about that one.
Yep. Much, much, much more quickness and speed ====> MUCH bigger potential upside than Bibby.
sidney
Starter
Petrie was supposedly interested in Harris at the deadline. If that offer is there it is a no brainer IMO unless there is some Bibby for the #5/7 pick out there
http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18057&highlight=devin+harris
Geoff is probably testing Cuban to see how much he wants to shake things up after his team was embarrased this year.
http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18057&highlight=devin+harris
Geoff is probably testing Cuban to see how much he wants to shake things up after his team was embarrased this year.
RIP miyagi
G-League
well, since we are rebuilding, it would be nice to get a young pg instead of bibby. But other than that, i think bibby is better than harris right now. I like harris' physical game and how he can take it to the rack like tony parker. I wouldn't mind getting him.
Gary
All-Star
Wow.. No way. Bibby may have had an off year, but he is better than Harris at this point..
Gary
All-Star
The upside might be there, but Bibby is proven. This is like saying that because some athletic guy that is REAL quick that he "could" become better than Tim Duncan. This being that Duncan isn't really athletic, and isn't that quick. I know the comparison is off, but it's the same idea. Athleticism, and quickness isn't everyting. Bibby when he is "on" is one of the best PG in the league. Plus he is more of a shooting/passing PG. This seems to be the wave of the future w/ PGs.
I agree.
People keep forgetting that Bibby played hurt most of the year, first with the thumb/wrist thing and then with a couple of ankle/foot tweaks that really kept him from being at 100%...
I'd still take Mike Bibby, especially if we're able to get a good big, than I would someone like Devon Harris.
Vlade4GM
All-Star
You are seriously overrating Bibby.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
We're talking point guards. Bibby isn't going to get any better. Harris is still very young; he most definitely will get better, barring an injury. Speaking of which, Bibby has a harder time staying healthy than Harris. Also, Harris's game can get better - he is very young - but Bibby will never get quicker or faster. I'd take Harris straight up in a trade. He can really push the ball. As I've said before, I want a point guard that is quicker than our 2-guard. If we had Harris pushing the ball with Martin and Garcia ..........THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!
tyrant
Starter
no, wait let me correct that. NO. H*** no. trade bibby to dallas so he can bust our chops if we make it back to the postseason
Kingster
Hall of Famer
Don't worry about it. Ain't gonna happen. Dallas doesn't want Bibby. Why would they want someone who is even more invisible guarding Barron Davis than the guards they already have? Frankly, if Bibby guards Barron Davis when Davis is healthy (60%) I wouldn't let small children watch that massacre. It could traumatize them for life!
chrisnu
Bench
Head2Head on basketball-reference.com lets you do that:
http://basketball-reference.com/fc/h2h.cgi?p1=bibbymi01
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sactownfan
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umm well think about what baron would have done to bibby. Chew toy? umm dont think so. I've seen Harris hit plenty of big shots take it to the hoop and pass on a elite level.
Baron would have killed everybody with the way he went off. he was playing a career best. he will never be at that level again.
I dont know about this deal but I would gladly take Harris with a young talented player or pick.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
Meaningless exercise.
Why? Because when you look at their performances against each other Bibby comes out better?
It may be a meaningless exercise to you. That wasn't my question. My question was to locate the place where such comparisons (whether you find them valid or not) can be found.
chrisnu said:
Thank you!
Now I have to go check for myself and see if my suspicion about Kingster's comment is correct or not.
Okay, I checked the site and Baron and Mike have only faced each other 15 times over their careers, mostly because Davis has a propensity to be injured a lot of the time.
http://basketball-reference.com/fc/h2h.cgi?p1=bibbymi01
The thing that sticks out the most, of course, is the disparity in rebounding. Davis has led in almost everything but Bibby has been more efficient with higher FG% and FT% figures.
I thought it was interesting, but since Kingster has already pronounced it meaningless it cannot be used to show either Davis' strengths or Bibby's weaknesses.
http://basketball-reference.com/fc/h2h.cgi?p1=bibbymi01
The thing that sticks out the most, of course, is the disparity in rebounding. Davis has led in almost everything but Bibby has been more efficient with higher FG% and FT% figures.
I thought it was interesting, but since Kingster has already pronounced it meaningless it cannot be used to show either Davis' strengths or Bibby's weaknesses.
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