Bibby to atlanta

[Vlade4GM]

Kings Trade:
Mike Bibby

Hawks Trade:
Pacers first round pick (currently 12th)
Speedy Claxton
Lorenzen Wright

Wright is an ender, Claxton is a solid backup point guard, and with the 12th pick we can draft Conley, Collison, or Law. We can try to get Shelden Williams if the hawks will have it. Then we have a pretty good young core. Some might think this is selling Bibby too short, but trading him for a young promising point guard and getting rid of his contract sounds like a pretty good deal to me.

 

[Heuge]

Im not sure that is enough for Bibby for us, and Im not sure why the Hawks would do it.

I'm beginning to think that this draft has turned into an overrated draft. The top two are great but after that, its nothing too speacial.

 

[BMiller52]

Im not sure that is enough for Bibby for us, and Im not sure why the Hawks would do it.

I'm beginning to think that this draft has turned into an overrated draft. The top two are great but after that, its nothing too speacial.

Do you have a problem with everything/trade dude?

Anyway I like the deal but if ATL keeps their pick and it's the 3rd I like the idea of our pick+Bibby for their pick+the filler you included more. Lets say we get the 6th pick and they get 3rd.

 

[Heuge]

Do you have a problem with everything/trade dude?

Anyway I like the deal but if ATL keeps their pick and it's the 3rd I like the idea of our pick+Bibby for their pick+the filler you included more. Lets say we get the 6th pick and they get 3rd.

Thats funny, I knew you would say that. Remember it is ok to disagree.

As for your next idea. Bibby may be on an all time low value wise, but he is worth much move then moving us up a few slots in the draft. After the big two the talent really evens out for awhile down the draft.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Thats funny, I knew you would say that. Remember it is ok to disagree.

As for your next idea. Bibby may be on an all time low value wise, but he is worth much move then moving us up a few slots in the draft. After the big two the talent really evens out for awhile down the draft.

You say "evens out" as if it evens out to scrubs; any of the top 8 would probably immediately become our 2nd-best player the second they put on a Kings uniform.

 

[tjobrien]

Thats funny, I knew you would say that. Remember it is ok to disagree.

As for your next idea. Bibby may be on an all time low value wise, but he is worth much move then moving us up a few slots in the draft. After the big two the talent really evens out for awhile down the draft.

Bibby looks old, uninterested, and as always plays no defense. Bibby isn't worth crap at this point, sadly. Moving up even 2 spots would be worth it to me.

 

[Bricklayer]

That would work just fine for me -- kind of right down our wishlist of picks + fill in players. But not at all sure the Hawks would do it. Depends if they think a Bibby/Johnson backcourt alone would enough to propel them somewhere.

 

[Heuge]

You say "evens out" as if it evens out to scrubs; any of the top 8 would probably immediately become our 2nd-best player the second they put on a Kings uniform.

Better then Artest, Martin...I really dont think so.

Better than Miller, probably, but no guarantees.

 

[Vlade4GM]

That would work just fine for me -- kind of right down our wishlist of picks + fill in players. But not at all sure the Hawks would do it. Depends if they think a Bibby/Johnson backcourt alone would enough to propel them somewhere.

Well they definitely need a pg, they can gamble on finding that at the 12th but can they wait? How long will Johnson want to stick around? I think there is a fair chance they'd go for it.

 

[SacTownKid]

I'd be ok with this I guess. I am sure Atlanta would like it. They need a PG badly and Bibby is one of the better ones available.

 

[kingsfan916]

Better then Artest, Martin...I really dont think so.

Better than Miller, probably, but no guarantees.

the way hes played this year?? i will guarantee it

 

[fnordius]

Better then Artest, Martin...I really dont think so.

Better than Miller, probably, but no guarantees.

Artest was #16 in a pretty strong draft year. Martin was #26 in a fairly so-so year. Miller was undrafted. Why would a top 8 pick in a great draft year be worse than all those guys?

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

i dont get it.. people here keep mention drafting a pg.. we have bibby, he might not be part of the kings future but then we have ronnie price ( who im not sold on but many people like ) .. and in case some of you dont remember we also drafted douby in the first round last yr... we have salmons, douby, bibby, price, marin, garcia.. lets stop this guard stuff and get someone who wants to rebound.. i say if theres no good big men by the time its our pick we trade it to someone for a big man.

 

[Vlade4GM]

i dont get it.. people here keep mention drafting a pg.. we have bibby, he might not be part of the kings future but then we have ronnie price ( who im not sold on but many people like ) .. and in case some of you dont remember we also drafted douby in the first round last yr... we have salmons, douby, bibby, price, marin, garcia.. lets stop this guard stuff and get someone who wants to rebound.. i say if theres no good big men by the time its our pick we trade it to someone for a big man.

Outside bibby who is a shoot first poing guard, those are all 2 guards. We need a true pg who can really facilitate. Price? please, he's not a real starting pg and neither is douby.

 

[Smills91]

Kings Trade:
Mike Bibby

Hawks Trade:
Pacers first round pick (currently 12th)
Speedy Claxton
Lorenzen Wright

Wright is an ender, Claxton is a solid backup point guard, and with the 12th pick we can draft Conley, Collison, or Law. We can try to get Shelden Williams if the hawks will have it. Then we have a pretty good young core. Some might think this is selling Bibby too short, but trading him for a young promising point guard and getting rid of his contract sounds like a pretty good deal to me.

I put this EXACT same deal on the RealGM trade board, and the consensus was it was probably a deal the Hawks couldn't pass up and would go ahead and do it...Most hawks fans were fine with it. I might be okay with it, if their were no better offers out there.

 

[fnordius]

i dont get it.. people here keep mention drafting a pg.. we have bibby, he might not be part of the kings future but then we have ronnie price ( who im not sold on but many people like ) .. and in case some of you dont remember we also drafted douby in the first round last yr... we have salmons, douby, bibby, price, marin, garcia..

While I think we all agree that a big is, far and away, the ideal draft pick for us (IF we can still get a decent one by the time our pick rolls around), none of those guys you mention has shown any sign of being able to average 6+ assists a game. We need a floor general, what we have are a bunch of SGs and undersized SGs. We may be the worst rebounding team in the NBA, but we're also 23rd in assists. Bibby won't be around forever, and needs a backup anyway. That's why you hear people talking about PGs.

 

[Vlade4GM]

I put this EXACT same deal on the RealGM trade board, and the consensus was it was probably a deal the Hawks couldn't pass up and would go ahead and do it...Most hawks fans were fine with it. I might be okay with it, if their were no better offers out there.

You should've tried to get shelden williams from them too

 

[Smills91]

You should've tried to get shelden williams from them too

I'm really not a fan of Shelden Williams personally, but I could see them sweetening the deal a little, maybe a 2nd round pick if they got one...an early 2nd rounder could perhaps land someone like Fazekas??

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

i guess i see where your coming from with the "pass first" PG but there extremely hard to find.. dallas is doing fine with terry at 5.3 a game..

Now with that being said.. I wouldnt mind trading bibby and then maybe trading our pick to the sixers for a combo of miller and dalembert.. maybe korver

 

[Heuge]

Artest was #16 in a pretty strong draft year. Martin was #26 in a fairly so-so year. Miller was undrafted. Why would a top 8 pick in a great draft year be worse than all those guys?

Artest and Martin are knowns, all these other guys are unknowns. I can list you a litany of players drafted in the 8 top of "strong drafts" that ended up to be busts.

And we will see how great this draft year actually is, I have my doubts.

 

[Kingster]

Kings Trade:
Mike Bibby

Hawks Trade:
Pacers first round pick (currently 12th)
Speedy Claxton
Lorenzen Wright

Wright is an ender, Claxton is a solid backup point guard, and with the 12th pick we can draft Conley, Collison, or Law. We can try to get Shelden Williams if the hawks will have it. Then we have a pretty good young core. Some might think this is selling Bibby too short, but trading him for a young promising point guard and getting rid of his contract sounds like a pretty good deal to me.

Oh, it would take me about 2 nonoseconds to make up my mind on that deal - I'd definitely do it.

 

[vfettke]

Kings Trade:
Mike Bibby

Hawks Trade:
Pacers first round pick (currently 12th)
Speedy Claxton
Lorenzen Wright

Wright is an ender, Claxton is a solid backup point guard, and with the 12th pick we can draft Conley, Collison, or Law. We can try to get Shelden Williams if the hawks will have it. Then we have a pretty good young core. Some might think this is selling Bibby too short, but trading him for a young promising point guard and getting rid of his contract sounds like a pretty good deal to me.

it would depend on what our other pick was. if we won the lottery and were gonna draft Oden, and knew that we could get Conley as well, then i'd do it. couple of excellent young guys who have already played well together. i dont pay too much attention to college ball, but i liked what I saw out of Conley

 

[migibizzle]

I agree with Heuge, this draft is highly overrated. There is one for sure bust in that top 10 (Noah).

 

[Bricklayer]

I agree with Heuge, this draft is highly overrated. There is one for sure bust in that top 10 (Noah).

Even if that were true, and its not, that would somehow make this draft overrated? Because there was one bust in the Top 10??

I'll tell you what you probably have in the Top 10 this year: 6-8 starters, 3-5 stars, and probably at least 2, and maybe more, team defining superstars.

 

[SacTownKid]

This is a very good draft all the way to the middle of the 1st round. If everyone declares this could be one of the best drafts all around in the last ten years.

 

[fnordius]

A decade of top 10 busts:
1995: Bryant Reeves, Shawn Respert, Ed O'Bannon
1996: Kerry Kittles, Samaki Walker, Lorenzen Wright
1997: Danny Fortson, Adonal Foyle, Ron Mercer, Tony Battie
1998: Michael Olowokandi, Robert Traylor
1999: Johnthan Bender
2000: Kenyon Martin, Darius Miles, Marcus Fizer, DerMarr Johnson, Keyon Dooling, geez, I could go on, that whole year just stunk!
2001: Eddie Griffin, Rodney White
2002: Nikoloz Tskitishvili, Dejuan Wagner, some would add Jay Williams (injured)
2003: Michael Sweetney, Jarvis Hayes, some might say Darko Miličić
2004: Luke Jackson, Rafael Araújo

Every year has someone who's not so hot, and usually more than one.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Wait... Joe Smith, at a career 12 and 7 isn't a bust, but Kenyon Martin, at a career 14 and 7 is? How does that work? For that matter, how do you skip Stromile Swift from the 2000 draft and go straight to Darius Miles if you're talking about draft busts?

What are your standards, anyway? Or do you have selective memory? Because I have to question the judgement of someone who counts Kerry Kittles (14.1, .439) as a bust, but not Ron Mercer (13.6, .429). Or who proclaims that a guy that was career 12.5 on 47.5% shooting and 6.9 rebounds (Bryant Reeves) was a bust, but a guy that's career 11.1 on 46.8% shooting and 6.6 rebounds (Raef LaFrentz) gets a pass. Your list of busts seems very arbitrary, and almost entirely subjective.

At any rate, I don't really think that Martin is a bust: the worst that should be said about him is that he's 1) overrated and 2) injury prone. But neither 1) nor 2) equal bust. The guy was the leading scorer and leading rebounder on a team that went to the Finals two years straight.


And what was the point, again?

 

[rhythmless]

i think that the list was given relative to their projected career to what they actually gave. i do agree that the list is very suspect and looks to be a quick glance over at past drafts

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Even if so, I'd have to ask again why Smith isn't on the list?

 

[fnordius]

Wait... Joe Smith, at a career 12 and 7 isn't a bust, but Kenyon Martin, at a career 14 and 7 is? How does that work? For that matter, how do you skip Stromile Swift from the 2000 draft and go straight to Darius Miles if you're talking about draft busts?

What are your standards, anyway? Or do you have selective memory? Because I have to question the judgement of someone who counts Kerry Kittles (14.1, .439) as a bust, but not Ron Mercer (13.6, .429). Or who proclaims that a guy that was career 12.5 on 47.5% shooting and 6.9 rebounds (Bryant Reeves) was a bust, but a guy that's career 11.1 on 46.8% shooting and 6.6 rebounds (Raef LaFrentz) gets a pass. Your list of busts seems very arbitrary, and almost entirely subjective.

Yeah, I had LaFrentz on the list, but then took him off because I knew someone would get their panties in a bunch and say that he wasn't that bad, since he (like Joe Smith) at least managed to have a long career in the NBA, which many of these guys didn't. Ron Mercer's on the list, BTW, you must have been looking at the wrong year.

Yes, it is all subjective. It was meant to give some examples, not to be a definitive statement which would be revered through the ages.

And what was the point, again?

The point was that this draft year doesn't suck just because one guy in the top 10 (J. Noah, in migibizzle's opinion) might not be a future HOFer. Was it your intention to disagree with that, or did you just want to nitpick at the list?