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I agree completely. We should have made a bid for 6'4 pg sarunas jasikevicius. He's a great playmaker and totally spreads the floor. Which is what this team desperatly needs. Bibby is a 6'0-6'1 pg who can do a lot but he has absolutely no defense and he gets killed all the time by weaker pgs. Something has to change. I would love to have bibby on the team but I don't see how we improve the team for this season by not working a trade. No one will want peja. Bibby is the only one expendible, unless brad or shareef are dealt. I'd rather deal shareef.
The only shutdown defender in the league who can also create for others at the point gaurd position is Jason Kidd. Other than that, you pretty much have to take it as a given that most point gaurds are average or poor defenders. Those that can defend usually lack a dangerous point gaurd skill set in terms of offense. Personally, I see Bibby as the least of the Kings current problems - there are unquestionably more problematic areas that the management needs to consider before removing a player that is, if nothing else, an above-average point gaurd.
On avg 4.7 assist would lead u to at least 8 to 10 points and 7 dimes would lead to at least 14 point (depending on if its a 2 or a 3) so assits does come close to making up the point avg. And i also did add in my other post that i would like to trade brad miller for a def minded big man and rebounder. And most pure point guard are pretty good on def for example Kidd, miller etc because they don't really care about what their off game is because they like to focus most of there power on getting mate involed and playing defence.
but what i can think of is, for example, let's say we have kid or miller or nash at the point...
what can they do if our offensive system doesn't change? that is, our big men still running our offense instead of PG? Imagine Miller being our point center, or SAR working in the post and attracting double team...under this offensive system, any point guard will become a shooting guard, coz running offense really isn't their primary job...think of it, not even nash can have that many assists if all he does is to shoot the ball off the big men passes..we probably will see him shoot a lot more and have a lot lesser assists, exactly same as Bibby..
Bibby can be very good at running offense, he used to be called "the Jason Kid who can shot" before he got traded to Kings..he could get double dight assists easily(even in the sucky Vancouver Grizzlies team in which not many people were making shots)...just that his playmaking ability is not what our coach asking from him...
so my conclusion is, the Kings offensive system doesn't need a playmaking PG, and any "pure PG" will lose his game under this system...that's my opinion.
what can they do if our offensive system doesn't change? that is, our big men still running our offense instead of PG? Imagine Miller being our point center, or SAR working in the post and attracting double team...under this offensive system, any point guard will become a shooting guard, coz running offense really isn't their primary job...think of it, not even nash can have that many assists if all he does is to shoot the ball off the big men passes..we probably will see him shoot a lot more and have a lot lesser assists, exactly same as Bibby..
Bibby can be very good at running offense, he used to be called "the Jason Kid who can shot" before he got traded to Kings..he could get double dight assists easily(even in the sucky Vancouver Grizzlies team in which not many people were making shots)...just that his playmaking ability is not what our coach asking from him...
so my conclusion is, the Kings offensive system doesn't need a playmaking PG, and any "pure PG" will lose his game under this system...that's my opinion.
Before they were struggling it used to be pointed out that Bibby lost 4-5 assists a game because the man he passed to made the extra pass. But now he's clearly been exposed as an undersized shooting guard who should be replaced by a European with no NBA experience and gaudy numbers because gaudy numbers in Euroleagues translate into gaudy NBA stats. 
bibby is no natural playmaker, but he's been known to get it done. the question we should be asking is: does mike bibby make his teammates better? i don't think so. and that's not okay from your "leader." chris webber made his teammates better. there is simply no disputing this fact because we've seen a decline in the efficiency of guys like mike bibby and peja stojakovic, neither of which make their teammates better. 0 assists? whatever. those numbers don't say a whole lot because the kings were missing bonzi and peja, so mike took it upon himself to try and put the team on his back. that's admirable, but it's only one aspect of leadership. you could ride webber's game all the way to victory, and he made you look good on the way. it's not the same for a player like mike bibby, and it really is difficult for any point guard in the nba, unless of course your name is steve nash.
kings fans shouldn't be saying "mike bibby needs to go!!!" or "brad miller needs to go!!!" or "peja stojakovic needs to go!!!"...cuz the root of the kings problems doesn't lie with a single player. several [starting unit] player changes need to occur, imo, for this kings team to be efficient and consistent again. imo, the bench is a secondary priority, as crazy as that sounds. everybody talks about how much "potential" this team has...and i just don't see it. there is no leadership, no dominance, no swagger, no defense, no rebounding, and very little toughness [what's there is provided solely by bonzi wells] in the kings starting five. they are a group of players who have similar offensive skills, and little to no defensive skills. there is height, but no rebounds to show for it. there are shooters, but no open shots to show for it. there are assist-men, but no cutters to capitalize on it.
this starting five may (and that's a big "may" considering the way things are going) look good on paper by the end of the season, but what will have been accomplished? what will the kings accomplish by waiting this out? nothing. the time for change is now. geoff petrie experimented and, unfortunately, failed. it is too bad that he didn't see it coming, like so many of us did, but that's in the past. now GP needs to sac up himself and take charge of this mess. i don't know what else to say that hasn't already been said. the kings are losers, right now, and i don't mean that in a derogatory sense. i just mean that they are losers. just a few years ago we were on top of the ****ing conference, now we're near the basement. i hope i'm not the only one who finds this unacceptable...
kings fans shouldn't be saying "mike bibby needs to go!!!" or "brad miller needs to go!!!" or "peja stojakovic needs to go!!!"...cuz the root of the kings problems doesn't lie with a single player. several [starting unit] player changes need to occur, imo, for this kings team to be efficient and consistent again. imo, the bench is a secondary priority, as crazy as that sounds. everybody talks about how much "potential" this team has...and i just don't see it. there is no leadership, no dominance, no swagger, no defense, no rebounding, and very little toughness [what's there is provided solely by bonzi wells] in the kings starting five. they are a group of players who have similar offensive skills, and little to no defensive skills. there is height, but no rebounds to show for it. there are shooters, but no open shots to show for it. there are assist-men, but no cutters to capitalize on it.
this starting five may (and that's a big "may" considering the way things are going) look good on paper by the end of the season, but what will have been accomplished? what will the kings accomplish by waiting this out? nothing. the time for change is now. geoff petrie experimented and, unfortunately, failed. it is too bad that he didn't see it coming, like so many of us did, but that's in the past. now GP needs to sac up himself and take charge of this mess. i don't know what else to say that hasn't already been said. the kings are losers, right now, and i don't mean that in a derogatory sense. i just mean that they are losers. just a few years ago we were on top of the ****ing conference, now we're near the basement. i hope i'm not the only one who finds this unacceptable...
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You're missing the point. Bibby dosen't playmake. As many other posters in this thread noted already, bibby is more of a sg in a pg's body. He gets the ball off screens and movement. He dosen't actually spread the floor. There's quite a bit of difference in the two. if he could spread the floor, I'd let his innefective zero assist game slide.
Ginobili is a good example of someone who can spread the floor. Parker as well to some degree. Sarunas jasikevicius. Steve nash. etc.
Ginobili is a good example of someone who can spread the floor. Parker as well to some degree. Sarunas jasikevicius. Steve nash. etc.
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I think you are missing the point more than I do Bibby is BOTH a great scorer and a great playmaker. If you watched his games before he came to the Kings, you can see why people compared him with Jason Kid. In his early years with the Kings, he also kept his playmaking, because Webber could finish the plays way better than our 2 rookies, and Peja wasn't struggling in his shots as much as now.
So, not that he is more of a sg in a pg's body, but with Peja struggling and both SAR and Wells not fully adapted into the Kings offense, Bibby is asked to step up and score instead of making plays in this team. The idea is real simple, you can't be playmaking and scoring at the same time, unless you are allowed to run most of the offense in your team....but that's not happening in the Kings....PG doesn't run the plays often here.
Even if Steve Nash comes to the Kings, you won't see much difference from him than from Bibby..unless Nash decides to ignore our coach, or we totally give up on our offensive system and just be a normal team with PG running the offense.
Anyways, the whole point is, if people think "Bibby needs to go" because they want a playmaker....sorry guys, Bibby is already a good playmaker, just in our coach's opinion, his playmaking ability is not as important compared with his scoring ability. It is just like..you know Nash can shoot, but he is asked to pass more in his team....that's it.
Bibby is BOTH a great scorer and a great playmaker. If you watched his games before he came to the Kings, you can see why people compared him with Jason Kid. In his early years with the Kings, he also kept his playmaking, because Webber could finish the plays way better than our 2 rookies, and Peja wasn't struggling in his shots as much as now.So, not that he is more of a sg in a pg's body, but with Peja struggling and both SAR and Wells not fully adapted into the Kings offense, Bibby is asked to step up and score instead of making plays in this team. The idea is real simple, you can't be playmaking and scoring at the same time, unless you are allowed to run most of the offense in your team....but that's not happening in the Kings....PG doesn't run the plays often here.
Even if Steve Nash comes to the Kings, you won't see much difference from him than from Bibby..unless Nash decides to ignore our coach, or we totally give up on our offensive system and just be a normal team with PG running the offense.
Anyways, the whole point is, if people think "Bibby needs to go" because they want a playmaker....sorry guys, Bibby is already a good playmaker, just in our coach's opinion, his playmaking ability is not as important compared with his scoring ability. It is just like..you know Nash can shoot, but he is asked to pass more in his team....that's it.
