Bibby 0 assists?

[BMiller52]

I'll admit ... Bibby runs the pick and pop a lot better than the pick and roll. He also does it a lot better with Miller than Reef ... but I think it's because he can't run the pick and roll. He's not talented enough passing-wise.

Dude... you just thought wrong. He did it all the time with Webber.

 

[Bricklayer]

And MIller last year. One of the very best pick and roll PGs in the league. While this Bibby struggling stuff is overrated anyway (his 19ppg and 45% shooting are some of the highest of his career), to the degree there's been a struggle offensively its precisely because we do not run enough pick and roll with Bibby nad a big (most likely Miller). That is his bread and butter. What his entire game is built around. And with the current injuries I could make a very good argument that that is exactly what we should go back to in a very big way until we get guys back. Play 1: Bibby and Miller pick and roll, Play 2: SAR post. End of playbook.

 

[GameBall]

Bibby is starting to look like Cuttino Mobley the way he shoots every time he has the ball and even if the shot isn't there to make. Bibby wants to be the superstar of the team. The guy has never been to an All Star Game. Yes, we want someone who is not afraid to take big shots and take over a game, but the reason why Kobe Bryant can get away with being a ball hog and Bibby can't is because he's Kobe Bryant. I hate Kobe as much as all of us, but that's the truth.

 

[DaKings]

Brad and Peja were also responsible for bringing us to elite status, if not even moreso than Mike, but it's ok for you to diss them ?

I see nothing wrong with criticizing players, and Mike is not exempt from criticism when the team is playing like crap.

You couldn’t be more right. Even with one poster knocking Peja for his pinky. That kind of crap is just favoritism to certain players. I bet a lot of guys that are knocking Peja right now were on cloud 9 when he was knocking those 3s for the last 6 years. If you are going to criticize certain players then there is nothing wrong with playmaker (who by the way Bibby isn't) knocking Bibby over last night’s game.

Playmaker I agree with you that if Bibby didn’t run the offense solely for his shot Kings would benefit more. What’s with Bibby's attitude after he usually misses the game winning basket. He runs of there like whatever, $hit happens. I personally can’t stand his general attitude that he shows when he throws away a possession on a bad pass. He never turns to the player the pass was intended for and says "my bad” he acts like whatever, be lucky that I even looked at you and not shot it like I was going to do.

Bibby doesn’t exemplify traits of a leader. I know this is beside the point, but my favorite point guard was Magic Johnson. He to me is the best Basketball Player ever to play in the NBA, but not because of his PPG, or any other stats but because he involved everyone on the court. This made him a great leader. I wish Bibby was somewhat like Magic. The problem with Bibby is not that he is not a good player or that he is one of the best on the team, he ought to shot less and pass more. “It aint no fuuun, if the homiies can’t haveeee nonneeee”

Merry Christmas! Hoe! Hoe! Hoe!

 

[weyah]

mike had 0 assists against dallas lst night, snapping his 527 games with one... but as ive said he is not to be blamed... he set up his teammates rightly but its either they missed the shot or passed it out..

 

[playmaker0017]

Blatant homophobia aside, a gay man would never wear that hat.

Nor would any straight man ....

which leads to the real question:

Is Bibby an alien?

 

[playmaker0017]

One of the very best pick and roll PGs in the league. That is his bread and butter.

It may be ... but I never saw him run it efficiently in Vancouver and I'm not seeing him do it well here. He always ran a decent pick and pop in Vancouver, but not roll.

Perhaps he is trying too hard rather than letting the game come?

What his entire game is built around. And with the current injuries I could make a very good argument that that is exactly what we should go back to in a very big way until we get guys back. Play 1: Bibby and Miller pick and roll, Play 2: SAR post. End of playbook.

I completely agree.

My real problems with Bibby are these:

For him to score - it means he needs to dominate the basketball. It means that he's going to force things up and waste out the clock for a shot that you can get at any point in a possession. It will lead him to be too deep (even when he doesn't have the ball) and miss out on being back in transition (which is the PGs first defensive responsibility).

The other issue I have is the amount of effort exerted. He stinks on defense - why? Because he doesn't even try. He runs at half speed, flat footed, doing nothing. But DANG ... when there is a rebound he's running a 3.0 40 to the other side of the court waiting for the shot ... AI would be impressed. It's amusing and frustrating all at the same time.

 

[thesanityannex]

Playmaker I agree with you that if Bibby didn’t run the offense solely for his shot Kings would benefit more. What’s with Bibby's attitude after he usually misses the game winning basket. He runs of there like whatever, $hit happens. I personally can’t stand his general attitude that he shows when he throws away a possession on a bad pass. He never turns to the player the pass was intended for and says "my bad” he acts like whatever, be lucky that I even looked at you and not shot it like I was going to do.

Do you understand the game of basketball? Peja and Bonzi are out, Adelman is telling Bibby to find his shot and take it. This is in no way Bibby being selfish. Who else is going to do all the scoring, Martin, Cisco, Miller??? So now you know what Bibby thinks when he passes a ball? Why would he think "my bad" anyways, most of those passes should be caught. All you've done is complain about personal issues you have with Bibby, how about coming up with something that has some substance and relevance instead of the, "I don't like his attitude" crap.

The problem with Bibby is not that he is not a good player or that he is one of the best on the team, he ought to shot less and pass more. “It aint no fuuun, if the homiies can’t haveeee nonneeee”

If you haven't noticed, there are not any homies to pass to.

 

[playmaker0017]

Do you understand the game of basketball? Peja and Bonzi are out, Adelman is telling Bibby to find his shot and take it.

Okay - the question then is:

Why does he do exactly the same thing with Peja and Bonzi IN?

 

[thesanityannex]

Okay - the question then is:

Why does he do exactly the same thing with Peja and Bonzi IN?

Does he??? Really? Check out Mike's shots per game since the injury.

 

[Vlad]

On a side note, where can I get some K-Fed tracks?

 

[BibbyFAN10]

that is only the 2nd time in his 537 game career....that he had 0 assists....

 

[playmaker0017]

Does he??? Really? Check out Mike's shots per game since the injury.

The PG is leading the team in shots. Period.

 

[Elise10]

Wow, this is rather troubling and/or ridiculous at the same time.

There were more than just several times where he passed the ball and no one scored. I guess that's all his fault, to hold everybody up to the basket so he can have more assists.

The PG is leading the team in shots. Period.

The same PG who's leading in scoring, the C is leading in assists, and the SG who is leading in rebounds. System's backwards by conventional standard......what exactly is the point?

 

[Bad Boy Bo]

I watched the game, and I don't blame him for not having any assist, as yes, Miller missed quite a few open ones from Bibby. But, what I do find troubling, is he takes shots he shouldn't take. He's good, no doubt. Although, as people are mentioning here, he's not a PG. He doesn't play like one. Since, the JWill trade until now, I look forward to hear him get traded everyday. All my friends know that I'm not a big Bibby fan. I think any system, any style of play, and any change starts with the PG. But that's how I felt since he's gotten into Sacramento, before and after the Dallas game. He's who he is, just as you all say about Peja, Miller, and Webber before he was traded.

 

[playmaker0017]

There were more than just several times where he passed the ball and no one scored. I guess that's all his fault, to hold everybody up to the basket so he can have more assists.

This is just an excuse.

A good point guard gets the ball to people in positions they should and can score from. Getting assists by swinging it to a jump shooter isn't getting someone in position.

If he broke the defense and handed it off for an 8 footer - that's one thing. But dribbling yourself into a corner and tossing it out for a 20 footer isn't good basketball.

The same PG who's leading in scoring, the C is leading in assists, and the SG who is leading in rebounds. System's backwards by conventional standard......what exactly is the point?

We're losing. It's pretty self-evident that it isn't working, no?

 

[playmaker0017]

I think any system, any style of play, and any change starts with the PG.

AMEN!

 

[DaKings]

Do you understand the game of basketball? Peja and Bonzi are out, Adelman is telling Bibby to find his shot and take it. This is in no way Bibby being selfish. Who else is going to do all the scoring, Martin, Cisco, Miller??? So now you know what Bibby thinks when he passes a ball? Why would he think "my bad" anyways, most of those passes should be caught. All you've done is complain about personal issues you have with Bibby, how about coming up with something that has some substance and relevance instead of the, "I don't like his attitude" crap.[/color]


If you haven't noticed, there are not any homies to pass to.

Actually I understand game of Basketball, I play Basketball. Sorry I didn't realize you were part of the coaching staff, and that you know the insides of what is being told and directed to bibby. I also think you misunderstood what I said about him being apologetic due to his lost possessions. These are not the good passes or ones that are catchable. These are the ones that a leader on the team would take responsibility for overthrowing . This carries over to his attitude when he gives press conferences or interviews. I don' ever remember him, (correct me if I am wrong) saying it was my fault that we lost the game. My whole response was not only to last nights game but it was to Bibby in general.

Also, let me splain to you that as far as I am concerned I can say personal stuff about a player. I didn't see that against the rules. Saying I don't like his attitude and giving my reasons why not, is ok to do. If you don't like it I think there is a Waaa wAaaaa filter you can put on the forum, it blocks out very mean stuff thats said about a player.

Also there are plenty of hommies, stop making excuses for him.

 

[thesanityannex]

Actually I understand game of Basketball, I play Basketball. Sorry I didn't realize you were part of the coaching staff, and that you know the insides of what is being told and directed to bibby. I also think you misunderstood what I said about him being apologetic due to his lost possessions. These are not the good passes or ones that are catchable. These are the ones that a leader on the team would take responsibility for overthrowing . This carries over to his attitude when he gives press conferences or interviews. I don' ever remember him, (correct me if I am wrong) saying it was my fault that we lost the game. My whole response was not only to last nights game but it was to Bibby in general.

Also, let me splain to you that as far as I am concerned I can say personal stuff about a player. I didn't see that against the rules. Saying I don't like his attitude and giving my reasons why not, is ok to do. If you don't like it I think there is a Waaa wAaaaa filter you can put on the forum, it blocks out very mean stuff thats said about a player.

Also there are plenty of hommies, stop making excuses for him.

Still waiting for substance. You fail to recognize that Peja and Bonzi are out, which leaves the scoring responsibilty to Bibby. Who should shoulder the scoring in your opinion??? Hmmm.......................think hard. It is obvious Adelman told Bibby to score, how can you not see that??? He is the leading scorer on the team. But you are right, he should not shoot. Bibby is not a PG, he is a SG. PG's run the offense, Bibby doesn't and never has, but already know that, being that you play basketball.


P.S.- Where were his homies last game???

 

[DaKings]

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thesanityanex, we're gonna need to go ahead and move you downstairs into storage B. We have some new people coming in, and we need all the space we can get. So if you could go ahead and pack up your stuff and move it down there, that would be terrific, OK?

 

[T[MaC]]

^^^

 

[thesanityannex]

sigh, ok come here, ok no one is looking. Ok little closer, yes right there ok great. Yeah. Uh, did you get that memo? ummm I am going to need youoo too ummm come in onnn Suundday, yeahhh. That'd be great.

thesanityanex, we're gonna need to go ahead and move you downstairs into storage B. We have some new people coming in, and we need all the space we can get. So if you could go ahead and pack up your stuff and move it down there, that would be terrific, OK?

All I asked for was substance to your argument, so far, you've given none. If you are just going to bash Bibby, at least do it with some relevant arguments. OMG, an Office Space quote.

 

[Bibby_Is_Clutch]

Playmaker I agree with you that if Bibby didn’t run the offense solely for his shot Kings would benefit more. What’s with Bibby's attitude after he usually misses the game winning basket. He runs of there like whatever, $hit happens. I personally can’t stand his general attitude that he shows when he throws away a possession on a bad pass. He never turns to the player the pass was intended for and says "my bad” he acts like whatever, be lucky that I even looked at you and not shot it like I was going to do.

Bibby doesn’t exemplify traits of a leader. I know this is beside the point, but my favorite point guard was Magic Johnson. He to me is the best Basketball Player ever to play in the NBA, but not because of his PPG, or any other stats but because he involved everyone on the court. This made him a great leader. I wish Bibby was somewhat like Magic. The problem with Bibby is not that he is not a good player or that he is one of the best on the team, he ought to shot less and pass more. “It aint no fuuun, if the homiies can’t haveeee nonneeee”

Mike Bibby is a SG and I'm sure you have heard it already. He plays PG but he cant play PG. Its very simple to understand. You see PG and you think Steve Nash or Jason Kidd with all the assists. He is a shooting guard and what he does is shoot. You cant put Shaq at the PG and start crying because he shoots more rather than pass. Attitude? Thats your complaint? Ok... next time he commits a TO (which BTW nobody does anymore) he should run over give the guy who he intended on passing the ball to a pat on the back, tell him hes sorry and that it wont happen again. I dont even understand how you can comment on the attitude of Bibby, a professional player and leader BY DEFAULT (we knew Peja wasnt going to jump into that role). He doesnt look like hes dissapointed? What do you want him to do when he misses the game winning shot? Cmon man... everyone acts different and deals with emotions differently. Not everyone cries when a family member passes away. Some look as if they could care less but inside they are killing themselves. Like sanity said... give me some substance in your argument besides "he looks like he doesnt care". Shooting Guards shoot and shooting guards try/should create their own shots at times and look to score, not pass. Bibby is a SG but plays the PG. THink about what he really is and not what you want him to be.

 

[Bibby_Is_Clutch]

The PG is leading the team in shots. Period.

Because hes a true SG. When Christie was here he ran the PG from the SG. Bibby has never changed. He is still the same SG playing the PG.

 

[thesanityannex]

Because hes a true SG. When Christie was here he ran the PG from the SG. Bibby has never changed. He is still the same SG playing the PG.

Bingo. Bingo. Bingo.

 

[DaKings]

Because hes a true SG. When Christie was here he ran the PG from the SG. Bibby has never changed. He is still the same SG playing the PG.

Oh my you make me laugh, and not because you make good points. So Bibby was created in a factory as a SG right is that what you are saying???? Dude the GUY dribbles the ball down the court, ok he is a freaking PG, not that was my original arguments nor did I even discuss that until now you bring it up to try to look smart and to try to add "Substance" the other newb on here insisted I post.

Let me say it ONE MORE TIME so you Bibby lover can understand. I am not trying to hurt your feelings or just knocking Bibby because I don't think he is not a good player. He is just not a good player for Kings. You creating these quasi position players. He is really a center playing SG, no he is really a Power Forward playing assistant coach. Lol thats pretty dumb. Since your love affair for Bibby has blinded you from my original message and you totally missed what I was trying to say. Good thing about forums is you can go back and read it many times over. I suggest doing that, cause you missed what I was trying to say.

 

[thesanityannex]

Oh my you make me laugh, and not because you make good points. So Bibby was created in a factory as a SG right is that what you are saying???? Dude the GUY dribbles the ball down the court, ok he is a freaking PG, not that was my original arguments nor did I even discuss that until now you bring it up to try to look smart and to try to add "Substance" the other newb on here insisted I post.

Let me say it ONE MORE TIME so you Bibby lover can understand. I am not trying to hurt your feelings or just knocking Bibby because I don't think he is not a good player. He is just not a good player for Kings. You creating these quasi position players. He is really a center playing SG, no he is really a Power Forward playing assistant coach. Lol thats pretty dumb. Since your love affair for Bibby has blinded you from my original message and you totally missed what I was trying to say. Good thing about forums is you can go back and read it many times over. I suggest doing that, cause you missed what I was trying to say.

I would try reading over what you've said, but its pointless. Whatever point you were trying to make has been lost amongst all your babble. If you have followed the Kings for say, more than a year, you would understand Bibby's role is SG who brings the ball up. Call him a point guard if it makes you happy, but he's not. He's never been. Does he play like a point guard? Have you seen him play like one? Why do you insist on calling him one? You say you know basketball, so this shouldn't be hard to understand. So is A.I. now a PG too? Again, you've come back with nothing to back your point up. I'm done with you. Welcome to the board newbie.

 

[thesanityannex]

Let me say it ONE MORE TIME so you Bibby lover can understand. I am not trying to hurt your feelings or just knocking Bibby because I don't think he is not a good player. He is just not a good player for Kings.

Again. You say you know basketball. I'll ask you this then, would Steve Nash be a good fit for the Kings in the Princeton offense?

 

[JJ22L]

I would try reading over what you've said, but its pointless. Whatever point you were trying to make has been lost amongst all your babble. If you have followed the Kings for say, more than a year, you would understand Bibby's role is SG who brings the ball up. Call him a point guard if it makes you happy, but he's not. He's never been. Does he play like a point guard? Have you seen him play like one? Why do you insist on calling him one? You say you know basketball, so this shouldn't be hard to understand. So is A.I. now a PG too? Again, you've come back with nothing to back your point up. I'm done with you. Welcome to the board newbie.

I think...Welcome to thesanityannex would be more fitting

 

[DaKings]

I would try reading over what you've said, but its pointless. Whatever point you were trying to make has been lost amongst all your babble. If you have followed the Kings for say, more than a year, you would understand Bibby's role is SG who brings the ball up. Call him a point guard if it makes you happy, but he's not. He's never been. Does he play like a point guard? Have you seen him play like one? Why do you insist on calling him one? You say you know basketball, so this shouldn't be hard to understand. So is A.I. now a PG too? Again, you've come back with nothing to back your point up. I'm done with you. Welcome to the board newbie.

Once a noob always a noob. I am done with you step into my office cause you are fired. Once again the substance you want and cry about yet again you didnt show in your post. its all been nothing but a sad attempt to mask the fact that nothing you said made any good points or that you keep on calling me newbie, I am assuming because I have under 20 posts. Well you have to start somehwere and just because you have more then 100 doesn't say anything about your knowledge of the game and expecailly of the Kings. NEWB Play some basketball before you start babbling like you know everything about the game.