Beno on the move?

[hammystyle]

Oh we could very well get more then the 6th or 7th most ping pong balls next year. We could very well have the most again. Sorry, just having a hard time being optimistic about anything at this point.

That's just realistic. The Wizards, Thunder, T-Wolves, and Clippers all have improved by much greater steps than we have. Plus even in a 17 win year we got more than half seasons from quality vets in Brad Miller and John Salmons.

So its pretty bleak again for next year if you ask me.

In terms of trading Beno...unless we package him with something very desirable, I don't think we can get rid of him at this point. But maybe he gets his s*** together early in the season a pG needy team may do something.

 

[KingsFan4Life_2323]

Bay-No for draft pick and/or cash

Heck, trade Bay-No for a 2nd round draft pick and some cash or something like that, or just trade him for cash if it comes down to it. a little flexibility in terms of cash would be nice for us at the moment so we can grab a big name free agent in the future when the time comes.

 

[Bricklayer]

Heck, trade Bay-No for a 2nd round draft pick and some cash or something like that, or just trade him for cash if it comes down to it. a little flexibility in terms of cash would be nice for us at the moment so we can grab a big name free agent in the future when the time comes.

that's not understanding the problem -- nobody else around the league wants to absorb that inflated contract we dropped on him. So he's nearly untradeable unless we take back something they are looking to get rid of themselves.

Should note BTW that I did not consider the contact truly excessive last year given what we hoped Beno would become. The problem of course is that he did not become it and continued a career long laziness. Some guys are driven to be great. And some are just happy to be good enough to earn a hefty paycheck.

 

[Smills91]

Beno to the Pistons for Jason Maxiell + Kwame Brown + 3 million cash.

We rid ourselves of Beno, the Pistons move an equally long(yet slightly cheaper Maxiell). We absorb Kwame via TPE to create 3 million in cap space for the Pistons(looking to spend and make splashes in free agency.

We fill our frontcourt depth with some more added toughness, and Maxiell will likely be easier to move at 5 million a year for each of the next 4 years (20 million total) vs. Beno who's due to get 27 million over the next 4 years. Thus saving the Kings 7 million dollars and getting a LOT tougher, not to mention creating more cap space in 2010, when we need it.

The cash off-sets Kwame's contract deal, leaving this year a net zero value in terms of cash paid by each party.

 

[Bricklayer]

Beno to the Pistons for Jason Maxiell + Kwame Brown + 3 million cash.

Why would the Pistons do that?

 

[Smills91]

Why would the Pistons do that?

Sorry I was looking up #'s as I posted that. Re-read my reasons.

 

[Sptsjunkie]

Oh we could very well get more then the 6th or 7th most ping pong balls next year. We could very well have the most again. Sorry, just having a hard time being optimistic about anything at this point.

I don't think we wind up with the most. I think we win between 20-30 games and finish between 3rd and 7th. The cancerous veterans are off the team. We have a real coach. Our young guys are another year older and we brought in 2 more talented rookies and a third who should be a decent end of the bench guy.

My expectations for this team are 20-30 wins next season, 30-40 the year after that, and in 3 years we should be at or over .500 and contending for a playoff spot.

 

[Sptsjunkie]

Why would the Pistons do that?

I can only imagine that happening if they thought they were agreeing to deals with both say Ben Gordon and Boozer and needed to free up space for this season. Overall, though, low probability trade.

 

[Sptsjunkie]

Im ok seeing what we have w/Sergio and HOPEFULLY Evans, BJax at the vet min, and Garcia sometimes.

It really looks like Beno took his one fat contract and decided he doesn't care anymore. He's about 200 lbs from being another Jerome James.

I still have some hope for Beno. I would trade him in a heartbeat, but at least he has talent. I am hoping that the hopelessness of our team last season and all the coaching changes led to him having a worse attitude. The difference with Beno and James is that James was always terrible and parlayed on good playoff series against us exploting Brad's injured leg and Skinner's lack of size into a fat contract. Beno actually has talent and skill if he wants to use it.

 

[dbfish]

The massive problem is to actually find a taker for Beno. That contract is not very tradeable right now.

Trading Beno is just a matter of finding a stupid GM out there. There's more than one, but you would have to get him drunk first.
What were you drinking the night you signed Beno, eh Petrie?

 

[VF21]

^^I think it was kool-aid, dished up nice and sweet over ice by Beno himself.

Udrih showed glimpses of being an acceptable point guard before he signed the contract. I don't generally accuse players of playing for a deal but thus far it certainly looks as though that could have been at least in the back of Beno's mind.

 

[KingsFan4Life_2323]

that's not understanding the problem -- nobody else around the league wants to absorb that inflated contract we dropped on him. So he's nearly untradeable unless we take back something they are looking to get rid of themselves.

Should note BTW that I did not consider the contact truly excessive last year given what we hoped Beno would become. The problem of course is that he did not become it and continued a career long laziness. Some guys are driven to be great. And some are just happy to be good enough to earn a hefty paycheck.

You do know that I meant that as a somewhat humorous post, right? I am not sure what to do bout Beno. No one would want him, he sucks. He had a good year filling in for an injured player for the Kings and we reward him with a massive contract. Beno is a 2nd or 3rd point guard at best, we do not need that, we need a 2nd point guard who is capable of starting every single game.

 

[kingsnation]

Beno to the Pistons for Jason Maxiell + Kwame Brown + 3 million cash.

We rid ourselves of Beno, the Pistons move an equally long(yet slightly cheaper Maxiell). We absorb Kwame via TPE to create 3 million in cap space for the Pistons(looking to spend and make splashes in free agency.

We fill our frontcourt depth with some more added toughness, and Maxiell will likely be easier to move at 5 million a year for each of the next 4 years (20 million total) vs. Beno who's due to get 27 million over the next 4 years. Thus saving the Kings 7 million dollars and getting a LOT tougher, not to mention creating more cap space in 2010, when we need it.

The cash off-sets Kwame's contract deal, leaving this year a net zero value in terms of cash paid by each party.

While both have terribly long contracts, Maxiell would actually fill a need for us while Beno would just hurt the Pistons.

 

[rhythmless]

Beno and his contract are a net negative. If you want to trade him for a positive (crappy player+shorter contract or talent) you need to either package him w/a good contract or extra talent.

The only other method I see is to take back a large contract that runs through next year for k9+beno+pick/donte. The incentive for the other team is that instead of paying say 35 million over 3 years, you pay k9 the one time, and spread the 29 million over the life of beno's contract. This enables the other team to be a player for '10 offseason, but effectively takes us out of it.

 

[Bricklayer]

You do know that I meant that as a somewhat humorous post, right?

Nope, I missed that. Add a or something next time and I'll catch on.

Oh, and the accepted humorous offer we'd accept for Beno around here is a half eaten bag of Doritos.

 

[mac]

Nope, I missed that. Add a or something next time and I'll catch on.

Oh, and the accepted humorous offer we'd accept for Beno around here is a half eaten bag of Doritos.

You mentioned that some players are just happy being good enough to get their pay. Well...Beno isn't being good enough to deserve his pay

 

[Kings Faithful]

I say, before we get too trade happy, we should let Beno and Sergio both play a few games as a backup point. As of right now we have yet to see either one as a second string backup which, realistically, both of them are. I don't think its fair to give up on Beno before he gets that shot to play in a position that he is most suited for. Which ever one pans out as the better second stringer we will keep. Of course, if a trade comes along that is too good to pass up go ahead and take it by all means, but as long as Beno can still work for that contract in some way lets give him another chance.

 

[Bricklayer]

I say, before we get too trade happy, we should let Beno and Sergio both play a few games as a backup point. As of right now we have yet to see either one as a second string backup which, realistically, both of them are. I don't think its fair to give up on Beno before he gets that shot to play in a position that he is most suited for. Which ever one pans out as the better second stringer we will keep. Of course, if a trade comes along that is too good to pass up go ahead and take it by all means, but as long as Beno can still work for that contract in some way lets give him another chance.

The problem is that Beno as a backup can NEVER make that contract worthwhile. If you owe your backup PG $27mil you know you made a mistake there at some point. The key here is if any way possible to get this one unloaded before it becomes a totally toxic asset like KTs contract. Unloading its tough enough coming off an 11 and 4 season as a parttime starter. Try unloading it after a 6pt 2ast season as a backup.

 

[Sac.1989]

yeah its going to be tough Brick, the sooner we get him gone the better.

 

[Kings Faithful]

The problem is that Beno as a backup can NEVER make that contract worthwhile. If you owe your backup PG $27mil you know you made a mistake there at some point. The key here is if any way possible to get this one unloaded before it becomes a totally toxic asset like KTs contract. Unloading its tough enough coming off an 11 and 4 season as a parttime starter. Try unloading it after a 6pt 2ast season as a backup.

Yeah. I'm just not sure who would be willing to take him at this point.

 

[Kingster]

The problem is that Beno as a backup can NEVER make that contract worthwhile. If you owe your backup PG $27mil you know you made a mistake there at some point. The key here is if any way possible to get this one unloaded before it becomes a totally toxic asset like KTs contract. Unloading its tough enough coming off an 11 and 4 season as a parttime starter. Try unloading it after a 6pt 2ast season as a backup.

Well, KTs contract has been toxic, but is now becoming valuable, right? To be realistic, Beno's contract is toxic right now. So the way I look at it is that you combine Beno with KT and it's a wash. Just get rid of them both for a bag of chips and cut your losses.