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Kingsguy881
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^^^^yeah, you can't do that. It's almost an 'I should slap you' move.
DesertFox
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I don't know about that. Vernon Davis was very similar. A hard working super talent, but had some prima dona tendencies and temper tantrums. When the coach threw him out, Davis changed for the better.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
This isn't football and a tight end is the NFL has a tiony fraction of the importance of a top center in basketball. DeMarcus Cousins power is >>>>>>>>>>>> Vernon Davis.
You can't walk away when the ref tells you to walk away? What kind of crazy world is this? Oh, and that looks like "zero flex" to me.
uolj
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I think Davis has/had a much different temperament than Cousins.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Sorry, I watched that sequence over and over again in slow mo, and I didn't see anything by Cousins that should have warranted a technical. Unless of course your a mind reader. I've seen players more physically antimated than that who didn't get a technical. First of all, I couldn't even find evidence of a foul on the play, much less two technicals. When last I checked, the defender is still allowed to stay between the offensive player and the basket. Cousins did touch him with one hand, but thats allowed in the rules. Kanter was banging into Cousns, and couldn't move him, or get him to leave his feet. So the whole thing started with a bad call.
If the ref doesn't call that first technical, none of the other things happen. And that first technical was pure crap. If you going to call a technical for slapping at the ball, then why not call a technical when a player shoots the ball after the whistle has blown and the other team jumps up and bats it away. No one pays money to see the refs blow the whistle or kick players out of the game. The whole sequence reminded me of the game where Webber got two technicals in the span of around 30 seconds and was kicked out. The only difference is Webb got kicked out in the first quarter.
Does anyone think they would given Duncan a technical for batting the ball away, especially in such a bang/bang play? Unfortunately its not going to change anytime soon, so Cuz has to learn to walk away.
No I don't think they would have given Duncan a tech. And I think Kobe wouldn't make it past the first 2 minutes of any game if they gave technicals to him for all the whining/groaning he does after every possession. I hate HATE HATE listening to and watching Kobe/Duncan cry like they do when they think refs miss calls.
I LOVE that the refs rarely, if ever hit them with technicals. I just don't think talking should have an outcome on the game. Giving teams free points and ejecting players for mouthing off is not what the game should be about. I don't think it should have a chance to be able to change the outcome. I would have no problem with a fine/suspension system like they just implemented for flopping. It would make more sense to review after the game and connect with officials who can pass along what players said. If it was deemed inappropriate make them pay, if they keep it up suspend them. Emotional outbursts in an emotional game should be allowed. Words that may offend one ref, but not another shouldn't get players thrown out.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
Cousins Should Apologize
I think Cousins should apologize to every single ref in the league. Before every game he should go each referee, look him or her in the eye, and apologize for his behavior since he began in the league. He should do it sincerely and acknowledge that's he's been an absolute jerk and that he's disrespected them and dishonored the game by his adolescent behavior. He should tell them that he's going to do everything in his power to turn it around. He should also tell them that when he's sporting "the face" after getting called for a foul that he would appreciate it very much if the ref would just call him on it so that he could be aware of it. When he gets a foul call, instead of sporting the face, he should smile at the referee and nod acknowledgment that they were right. Every single time. At Christmas Cousins should send every ref a 10 lb box of See's and again apologize in writing and ask for their forgiveness. Maybe then he can not only turn around his juvenile behavior on the court, but also the resentment that has no doubt been building with the refs ever since he came in the league.
I think Cousins should apologize to every single ref in the league. Before every game he should go each referee, look him or her in the eye, and apologize for his behavior since he began in the league. He should do it sincerely and acknowledge that's he's been an absolute jerk and that he's disrespected them and dishonored the game by his adolescent behavior. He should tell them that he's going to do everything in his power to turn it around. He should also tell them that when he's sporting "the face" after getting called for a foul that he would appreciate it very much if the ref would just call him on it so that he could be aware of it. When he gets a foul call, instead of sporting the face, he should smile at the referee and nod acknowledgment that they were right. Every single time. At Christmas Cousins should send every ref a 10 lb box of See's and again apologize in writing and ask for their forgiveness. Maybe then he can not only turn around his juvenile behavior on the court, but also the resentment that has no doubt been building with the refs ever since he came in the league.
While he is at it he should offer to pay for all of their kids education. Maybe pay for a yearly retreat for all referees and host it for them. Show them all how he is a really nice guy.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
The more, the better....
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Indeed.
HereWeBoogie
Hall of Famer
wow thats insane. complete BS.
and i think that "flex" people were talking about was Cousins about to say something back after he was cursed at, but decided not to.
that ref needs to be fined. what a joke
The league will deny it with full force.
I will admit that it was a whimsical idea at first, but it's getting hard for me NOT to believe that the treatment we are getting from the refs (quick techs, inexplicable techs, terrible foul calls, terrible no-calls, large foul differential despite the Kings taking a lot of shots at the rim) isn't part and parcel of a David Stern Freeze Out The Maloofs movement.
"Nice team youse boys got there," says David, "It'd be a shame if somethin' was to happen to it. Too bad youse reneged on that great arena deal 'cause I just don't know if I can keep them whistle-blowin' boys under control. They gots minds o' their own, they does, and they seems to like to whistle when they smells sandbaggin' idjits. Say, youse boys checked on the market value of that team lately? Too much more losin' and it might go all worthless, y'know?"
Kingsfan23
All-Star
I understand the disappointment towards Cousins. I personally blame him for our first loss against Utah (not Smart), like I have blamed him personally for another loss - sabotaging us down the stretch (thats two games). I also don't like his play this season. Even last year he would show up one game and not the next - his 18 ppg would come off one 32 pt game, then a 7 pt one etc.
Overall he is a good distance away from being a standard franchise big man - erratic play, bad shooting, fouling and bad attitude, still unathletic even if he has lost some weight, etc.
With this being said, I think benching him would lose him, no need for it
Overall he is a good distance away from being a standard franchise big man - erratic play, bad shooting, fouling and bad attitude, still unathletic even if he has lost some weight, etc.
With this being said, I think benching him would lose him, no need for it
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No doubt that Cousins needs to work on his reactions and letting things get to him. But there is getting to be an equally disturbing pattern of overreaction on the part of refs and the league office. If the officials want respect from the players and are willing to use tools like technical fouls and ejections to get that respect. Do they really think players like Cousins have less respect for them than any number of other star players in the game?
HereWeBoogie
Hall of Famer
Exactly! its getting horrible! especially this most recent ejection. ref cusses at cuz? wtf is that. then cuz turns and walks away and gets T'd up. embarrassing for the league. Kings need to make this story public and expose this Ref
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Kingsguy881
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Naw man, when you are a 5 foot 8 165# soaking wet ref looking at this behemoth of a brutha with huge wide shoulders and he flinches at you like that, the only walk of life where you can tell him to 'respect your authoritah' is as a referee T-ing him up. Granted, it was a small flinch, but it was there no doubt. Whether he was about to point at the other ref, throw a wave at the punk ref like 'forget you', or actually flinching at him like I could crush you you DJ Qualls looking runt, nobody will ever know. But, from the ref's perspective, he's a loudmouth crybaby punk (who could kick his *** quite easily) and I'll be damned if this whiny punk shows me up. THAT'S the point I'm making. You can't show up the dude who barely clears your waist.
The bottom line is that Cuz has to make the adjustment. Right now he is basically handing over control to outside influences. As soon as he looks at every situation as someone trying take control over his game, then he will start seeing the need to take back that control. Does he really want to walk on the court every game and feel like he doesn't have that?
I thought the first T was a reach by the ref. However, when cuz was talking to the ref and then bit his lip and his face flinched (even though it was slight) my first thought was 'oh no', as I thought he may get T'd up again. And sure enough it happened. Seeing the replay here it doesn't look that bad, but while watching the game, I remember thinking that cuz just gave the ref a 'psych' move. It happened so quick, but the body language was there, like he was going to pound somebody.
I'm not sure if I would have T'd him up for that, but if were going to I certainly would have ran the other way while doing so. lol.
I'm not sure if I would have T'd him up for that, but if were going to I certainly would have ran the other way while doing so. lol.
KingsFanSince85
All-Star
Talk about a double-standard from a National perspective. When DeMarcus complains about a call or has poor body language, he's immature. When Kobe Bryant or Tim Duncan do it, they're "competitors" with a strong will to win.
I get that those 2 have multiple titles and DeMarcus has accomplished absolutely nothing. However, at one time, those guys had no titles too and their behavior was the same as it is today. They whine, complain and demonstrate poor body language as much or more than DeMarcus does.
In regards to the technicals called against him this past game, both were bogus. Furthermore, if you're gonna give Cuz a "T" for knocking the ball out of Kanter's hands just after the whistle, how does Kanter not get a "T" for taunting? Right after the "T" was called, Kanter stares at Cuz and claps. How is that any different than staring a guy down after dunking on him?
The worst thing about NBA officiating is how much of it is completely arbitrary and subjective.
I get that those 2 have multiple titles and DeMarcus has accomplished absolutely nothing. However, at one time, those guys had no titles too and their behavior was the same as it is today. They whine, complain and demonstrate poor body language as much or more than DeMarcus does.
In regards to the technicals called against him this past game, both were bogus. Furthermore, if you're gonna give Cuz a "T" for knocking the ball out of Kanter's hands just after the whistle, how does Kanter not get a "T" for taunting? Right after the "T" was called, Kanter stares at Cuz and claps. How is that any different than staring a guy down after dunking on him?
The worst thing about NBA officiating is how much of it is completely arbitrary and subjective.
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KingMilz
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Tim Duncan holds his hands up after every foul call on him, and never gets called for a tech or warned or anything
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LWP777
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Let me ask you something. Do you really think if this is true he would have calmly removed himself from the game and into the locker room after getting a 2nd technical foul and ejected from the game? NBA referees aren't perfect by any stretch but they are held accountable for their actions and the league does not tolerate referees acting out of line. But, of course, you are going to believe an immature mental midget like Cousins who has a history of getting into altercations....
The difference is he doesn't keep whining to the ref every single time down the court, nor does he scowl at the ref and shake his head and what not. Duncan raises his hands, gives the "NO FRIKIN WAY" face, but then puts his hands down normally and goes the other way. Cuz scowls, does a sort of pout tantrum thing where he throws his hands down (like give me a break). It's all about body language.
And the Kings won't talk to the league about it because the owners are waiting out an opportunity to assemble a lawsuit against the league when they try to move again.
What a mess.
Section 101
All-Star
Not sure what you're getting at ... if anything this just goes to show that Duncan also gets called for ridiculous Ts. And although he may have been "showing up the ref", he just continued sitting there laughing, albeit jeeringly. If Cousins had gotten that 1st T called he would have been scowling, frowning, pouting, going up to the ref and throwing a tantrum.
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